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jefffunguy
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Mushrooms for Meth User
#26733097 - 06/10/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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My brother is a long time meth user and I talked to him about the possibility of taking mushrooms to see if it might wrangle his brain a little.
My initial idea was to brew up a nice strong tea and send him on a hero's journey, but now I'm wondering what special considerations might be prudent.
Should I start him on a smaller dose than 5g?
Should I stay with him?
Should I take him into nature?
Is there a possibility of negative physiological effects?
Just looking for some input from more experienced shroomers
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wolf8312
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Re: Mushrooms for Meth User [Re: jefffunguy]
#26734147 - 06/10/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Should I start him on a smaller dose than 5g?
Yes, unless you know the potency of the shrooms beforehand.
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Should I stay with him?
You would definitely be advised to stay around him, if not with him in the same room, or engaging him in conversation all the time. There is a huge difference in the depth and power of a psychedelic experience taken completely alone, compared to having other people around. Without other people personally I get launched into demonic/spirit realms, even on cannabis these days, whereas if I am around other people I tend to pull myself together.
If a novice starts having a bad trip alone as well, he may start panicking or even become psychotic with nobody around to prevent the slide into delusional thinking. Remember though this is strictly worse case scenario here. In my own experience terrible/psychotic trips (voices) took a number of months, or even years to manifest. Do not give him cannabis by the way, if it makes him in any way paranoid or anxious...
I think you might (and I do mean might) benefit from going through this experience together, and talking about his drug use during the trip explaining how it is affecting you, and your family. My sister was also a heroin addict, so I know what a worry it is for a family.
It may bring you together more, and make him understand (to the depth of his very soul!) that his drug use is making his own loved one's miserable. Obviously I don't see this working out so much therapeutically, if both of you are tripping absolute balls!
I wouldn't buy too much into the idea that, as if with electric shock treatment, he will somehow be scared or frazzled straight by a huge dose either.
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Should I take him into nature?
I wouldn't personally. Familiar surroundings with access to things like telephones might be a better idea.
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Is there a possibility of negative physiological effects?
Aside from nausea and body load, more likely psychological if you are going to take high doses. I don't know how shrooms would interact with someone if he was coming off meth or something though. That might in itself make for a gnarly experience...
Not to be a cliché or a downer but I think unless he is ready to come off meth/drugs mushrooms probably won't help all that much.
Does he truly want to come off drugs?
Another trite cliché but addicts do tend to need to hit rock bottom first!
I'm a bit cynical I guess, as much as I know psychedelics have great healing potential, I also believe the benefits are a little overblown sometimes.
Personally the most important thing in curbing my own addictive impulses is having a goal each day I wake up.
I'm studying maths at the moment for example. It also helped immensely during the lockdown as well, and what was a seriously depressing and uncertain winter.
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Edited by wolf8312 (06/10/20 11:46 AM)
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Re: Mushrooms for Meth User [Re: wolf8312] 1
#26734243 - 06/10/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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less than heroic - jesus, why are you going to throw him in the lion's den?? stay near by or don't start up, there is a responsibility in your act that you may need to think more about, but at least you are thinking about being your brother's keeper. taking it on is not easy, but it could be worth a lifetime of good times to come. (much shorter if he stays with speed)
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I would not recommend trying to talk to him about his problem. If you are a trip sitter then be that. Just sit and allow him to work through the trip. If he wants to open up then be helpful but do not try to force anything upon him. 5g journey is not really advisable here...be responsible.
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If he's inexperienced with shrooms or tripping, you'd be crazy to drop him into a heroic dose. He needs to learn how to control the rocket on lower doses, before being shoved behind the wheel and sent into space with nothing more than a cigarette and a good luck!
Yes, psychological harm is possible. Hallucinogenics are powerful tools for accessing the mind. He needs to develope the skills to open the right doors and heal old wounds, without causing new ones. A really bad trip, on an heroic dose can cause longterm PTSD.I recommend much smaller doses, at least the first couple of times.If he's a long term meth user, a couple more months won't make much difference.
The first couple of times, I'd have him stay where he's most comfortable and not take him anywhere. Then, once he's good with the trip itself, taking him out may be a great idea and even more healing.
Of course you should stay with him, even on his heroic dose. Bad trips happen. Why would you not stay close so you can pull him back from the darkness, if needed.
Now, I was a daily meth user. I'm also a Registered Nurse whom specializes in harm reduction and mental health. AND I'm an avid tripper, on both shrooms and LSD. When high on meth, the level of anxiety and darkness can amp up so quickly that you're unable to control anything.
After a bad first heroic dose, every time I trip, I get dropped into dark and filthy allies (in my mind), where I feel like every nerve ending is alight with a painful electricity. The deeper I go, the less I can breathe, the hotter I become. I feel like a fire is burning me up from the inside. The less my lungs expand, the more I can feel them being compressed by an immovable, crushing heaviness. I'm dying.
At least in my head, but it feels real. It's terrifying and hard to pull yourself back from. It's a type of PTSD that manifests itself, not only while I trip, but also in my daily life, especially when under great stress. Without my experience, I'd never be able to visualize a door, with which to escape that deadly crushng pressure. Or know that my body is actually still lying down and breathing comfortably in the "Real World". I wouldn't know how to or that it was even possible.
I experience a bad trip towards the beginning of every single trip. So far I've always been able to push through that dark, hot place and find the lighted door, before it can pull me under completely. Had I no experience, I may still reside in that darkness. A piece of me still does. Don't introduce your brother to that darkness without first showing him the light!
I came out of a great 6.5 gram dose and couldn't stand the taste of my cigarettes or tolerate the smoke from a meth pipe. I was taught to not dwell on past wounds and destress without chemical assistant. It took me two years! Go slow! Be patient. Teach and learn. Bring comfort, not pressure. When he's ready, for that heroic dose, he'll let you know.
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OP, you sound like you're trying to be a dick to your poor messed up brother. My suggestion would be that you leave him the fuck alone
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Re: Mushrooms for Meth User [Re: wolf8312]
#26735139 - 06/10/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you for your advice. You really covered all of my questions and gave me some things to consider.
I have a pretty good idea how strong they are, but your advice along with other people who commented have steered me away from the possibility of giving him a large dose. I'm thinking maybe something closer to an eighth would be better.
I don't really know if he wants to change himself for the better, but I'm worried he's going to start slipping away soon.
Thank you again!
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jefffunguy
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Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm completely convinced not to give him a heroic dose.
He's taken shrooms before, but I think it's probably been at least a few years and I think that setting some kind of intentionality might steer the trip in a positive and productive direction.
On one of my own trips, I remember sitting in front of the mirror just genuinely smiling at myself and telling myself that I love mysel. It was the only time I've really ever felt that and I think even that would be good for his emotional well being.
Obviously it would be nice if he found some motivation to stop doing meth, but I think that if he felt some self love that would be great too.
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