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Should the US disarm the Police like the UK?
#26732861 - 06/09/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I vote Yes. Disarming the police is the first step to police reform. UK has it right in this regard. But will it give criminals with guns an upperhand?
What do you think? Would you disarm the Police Force? What sort of weapons should Police carry?
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 4
#26732928 - 06/09/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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the most damaging crimes are committed by rich people without guns. money is their weapon.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26732940 - 06/09/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think they should. Uk or other European cops dont deal with the sort of danger American cops face. American cops deal with more crime and usually American criminals have firearms. American cops are also more likely to be assaulted and more likely to be killed in action. I hate cops as much as the next guy, but its a reality that American cops face a lot more danger than cops in other countries. I just think cops should receive better training. Canadian and American cops need to learn how to deal with people and de-escalate situations rather than escalate them. Cops cause a lot of problems and make situations worse by showing up gun blazing (no pun intended) yelling their heads off. If they had a softer approach im sure a lot of resistance wouldn't happen, and the suspect would be more likely to comply and they could end more situations peacefully
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: MagicMush123] 2
#26732977 - 06/09/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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cops kill roughly 1000 people each year.

less than 50 cops are killed by gunfire in the line of duty.

so yeah, i beg to differ. America is not a dangerous place. cops are the danger to its citizens.
a simple google search is all it takes to see the facts
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: split_by_nine]
#26733021 - 06/09/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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BOOM!
Fucking cops killing 1,000 people a year. I saw that on a Washington Post stat: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
Fucking corrupt police. They are the problem!
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: split_by_nine]
#26733080 - 06/10/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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split_by_nine said: cops kill roughly 1000 people each year.

less than 50 cops are killed by gunfire in the line of duty.

so yeah, i beg to differ. America is not a dangerous place. cops are the danger to its citizens.
a simple google search is all it takes to see the facts
So since you're so good at searching, i want you to search the amount of cops killed or assaulted in action in the usa and compare it to European countries and report back on what you find
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: MagicMush123]
#26733089 - 06/10/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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whats your point?
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: split_by_nine] 3
#26733115 - 06/10/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow it’s amazing how a strategy of escalation can end up getting people killed on both sides.
Magic, if the point of killing citizens in self defense is to protect the officers, then why are there so many dead officers in the us compared to Europe?
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: split_by_nine]
#26733153 - 06/10/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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split_by_nine said: whats your point?
I think hes saying that the US is more dangerous than European countries. Its my opinion/prediction that if cops were disarmed, crinimals would be less dangerous because cops are the real threat.
In ither words, cops make the US more dangerous than it should be from their use of guns, lethal force and the killing of the innocent in "self-defense".
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#26733644 - 06/10/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes. The wild west fantasy isn't all that romantic it turns out. Police should be helping people, not harassing us while flouting (intentional or otherwise) their disproportionate power over citizens. It's basically become a two class system.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: christopera] 3
#26734623 - 06/10/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Change policing tactics and the drug laws, and police killings would go down significantly in my opinion. But disarming, not gonna work or happen in the US.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26734932 - 06/10/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the key difference is that the population is disarmed in the UK. Disarming police here would lead to a huge power imbalance. Just my take
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: Darwin23] 4
#26735098 - 06/10/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Disarm all beat cops If situation is needed; dispatch armed ones in limited situations.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#26735122 - 06/10/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is essentially how most of europe is, no? Like, if you're just out writing tickets and harassing people you get a billy-club and if you run into a problem that requires more than that you phone it in.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26735423 - 06/10/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Disarm all beat cops If situation is needed; dispatch armed ones in limited situations.
I like that. Only certain cops are allowed guns, a small percentage. I would take offer.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26735498 - 06/10/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think most of Europe has something similar.... definitely more lax. The Phillipines has cops with AK47s on street cornors; that is pretty disconcerting walking around.
@lc With the way tech is advancing, like one could evade the authorities for any prolonged period; dont need as many armed cops any more.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26735747 - 06/10/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What you end up getting is self policing, Pandora is out of the box and the box is lost when it comes to guns in America, A SHIT ton of people have them alot of them really bad. There's terroists,school shooters,white supremacists, robberies, rapes it'd be so much more suffering and death then the minority of cops that are violent without cause. Let me ask you how would a police officer defend themselves against real criminals? They get a call that a bank just got robbed and they killed 6 people on the way out what do you do as a police officer with no gun?
Also George Floyd was not killed by a gun so are you assigning the blame on guns because of something else or is it all emotion?
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Police don't go to bank robberies, typically. They typically pull people over. Why should a cop have a gun on his hip for a traffic stop? For cases where a violent crime is in progress, there can be specially trained and certified police that handle that.
Police shouldn't be coming to a house for a domestic disturbance, but if they are going to, they shouldn't have a gun on their hip.
It isn't enough to say that their job is risky. A fireman's job is risky, but we don't give them the means to harm people. If someone wants to be a cop, they should know that for the period of time that they are on duty, their safety is secondary to the safety of the public.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: Enlil]
#26735789 - 06/10/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay youre splitting hairs, when someone juat robbed a bank and is driving away while shooting at the public (which I've seen this last year) Cops get killed all the time on traffic stops it's one of the more dangerous situations. When a dude is beating the crap out of his wife and threatening his families life with a gun the officer trying to save them all shouldn't also have a gun? Who would feel safe being a police officer where there's been dozens of ambush on police with guns? Litterally today in socal a man opened fire on a police station killed one civilian and shot a police officer in the face, he probably will die. It just doesn't make sense in America, maybe the UK but doesn't make any sense at all here imo.
Look I'm not saying there aren't police officers that shouldn't have there guns but saying traffic stops aren't dangerous is just a lie.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26735804 - 06/11/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I vote Yes. Disarming the police is the first step to police reform.
Did you know that while the police were put on standby during the riots in Chicago, that the Windy City had the worst homicide rate in almost 50 years?
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I didn't say traffic stops aren't dangerous. They're just far more dangerous for the civilian than they are for the cop.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#26736193 - 06/11/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I vote Yes. Disarming the police is the first step to police reform.
Did you know that while the police were put on standby during the riots in Chicago, that the Windy City had the worst homicide rate in almost 50 years?
If that happened 40 times out 50 times it would be worth discussing. But nobody is saying that police shouldn’t have guns when it comes to violent criminals. The obvious tone is that during the vast majority of encounters cops simply don’t need a gun.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: christopera]
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737170 - 06/11/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not sure. There's more important reforms that should be done first. Disarming the police wouldn't have saved George Floyd from Chauvin's neck.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26737238 - 06/11/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: That is essentially how most of europe is, no? Like, if you're just out writing tickets and harassing people you get a billy-club and if you run into a problem that requires more than that you phone it in.
Er, no. All European police I've ever seen (Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Russia and more) carry pistols routinely. What they get that US cops don't seem to is training in conflict management and de-escalation techniques, so they hardly ever have to draw their weapons. If they're up against armed criminals they'd usually call for the equivalent of SWAT teams as backup.
British police are just about the only ones who don't routinely carry guns that I know of, but they can also call on armed backup if needed.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: TOTLGA]
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: CrazyDragon]
#26737695 - 06/11/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CrazyDragon said: Not sure. There's more important reforms that should be done first. Disarming the police wouldn't have saved George Floyd's neck from Chauvin.
we cant say it would have or not. if we had a separate task force that responds to suspected, non-violent criminal activity then maybe they could have asked Mr. Floyd where this alleged counterfeit bill came from. instead the call went to a warrior-trained cop whom was training the other three and they killed Mr. Floyd.
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Re: Should the US disarm the Police like the UK? [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737832 - 06/11/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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To protect da serfs: Cops show got cancelled, and now this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1230191
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she was enraged after watching a video of police officers relaxing in a congressman’s campaign office as looting occurred in the South Side.
Illinois Rep. Bobby Rush received a call that the office had been burglarized almost two weeks ago. Security footage didn't show burglars — but about eight officers “lounging” in the office, the Democrat said in a joint press conference with the mayor on Thursday.
“They had their feet up on the desk, one was asleep on my couch in my campaign office,” Rush said. “One had his head down on his desk. One was on his cell phone. They even had the unmitigated gall to go and make coffee for themselves and to pop popcorn, my popcorn, in my microwave.”
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