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Offlinelikeshrooms247
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Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes
    #2673241 - 05/13/04 01:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I recently birthed six penis envy cakes, it has been over 2 weeks and they still haven't started producing shrooms. I have tried cold shocking them by opening the windows in the room they are in so the temperature would be about sixty some degrees for a day, but that didn't start them. Is there something I should know about how to birth this strain. Also some of the cakes got a little fuzzy.

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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: likeshrooms247]
    #2673267 - 05/13/04 01:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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likeshrooms247 said:
I have tried cold shocking them by opening the windows in the room they are in so the temperature would be about sixty some degrees for a day.




You obvisouly dont know what cold shocking is, what you did has nothing to do with cold shocking.
You cold shock by putting the cakes under water and in a fridge over 24 hours period.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: likeshrooms247]
    #2673522 - 05/13/04 02:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

First off I see this is your first post so welcome.

To cold shock you need to put the cake in the fridge overnight.

Three things are needed for pinning. Light, lack of un-colonized substrate, and air exchange.

The most common reasons for slow pinning. The center of the cake isn't done yet and the myc is still growing into it. Air exchange. Yes they will grow with 2 to 3 fannings a day but that is still giving the shrooms the very minimum. I go by Stamets and what he says.



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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: Hallucinogen]
    #2673592 - 05/13/04 02:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Hallucinogen said:
You obvisouly dont know what cold shocking is, what you did has nothing to do with cold shocking.
You cold shock by putting the cakes under water and in a fridge over 24 hours period.




Stop polluting the board with your idiocy. A cold shock is making the cakes cold, either by putting them in a fridge or by opening the window so that they become cold. Putting cakes under water is called dunking. Read up on the teks.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: IfIWereARichMan]
    #2673613 - 05/13/04 03:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Hallucinogen said:
You obvisouly dont know what cold shocking is, what you did has nothing to do with cold shocking.
You cold shock by putting the cakes under water and in a fridge over 24 hours period.




Stop polluting the board with your idiocy. A cold shock is making the cakes cold, either by putting them in a fridge or by opening the window so that they become cold. Putting cakes under water is called dunking. Read up on the teks.




Your an idiot, so till you learn your shit dont even talk to me dipstick.
60 degrees is NOT cold shocking :rolleyes:
I said what I said because its a better way, then just cold shocking, so buzz off maggot.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: IfIWereARichMan]
    #2673645 - 05/13/04 03:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yes although cold shocking does not need to be done under water(its just that its usually done at the same time as the dunk)simply opening a window is not considered cold shocking,unless you live in Siberia.The temperture needs to be lower than 60 degrees for cold shocking.
As Magash said it is probably the case that you didnt wait long enough for your cakes to colonize all the way through to the middle.Just be patient.

From The FAQ:
Cold Shocking
Exposing the cakes or casings to cold temperatures for around 24 hours is supposed to trigger pinning. The opinions whether it is needed with Psilocybe cubensis or not vary, but so far it's not known that it would do any harm doing so.
It seems to be beneficial with some strains which don't form pins easily. Make sure that you wrap the cakes or casings well before putting them into the fridge, since the fridge is often not the cleanest place in terms of mushroom cultivation.


cubensis eats substrate best at 86 F. The further you drop the temperature from that temp, without passing a critical temp that kills, the faster you stop it from EATING. When the mycelium stops eating and is exposed to light, oxygen it begins to pin.

Going from 86 to 75 may not be significant enough to immediately trigger fruiting. The mycelium may continue to feed until the OTHER stimuli trigger fruiting. So cold shocking may speed up fruiting, as several members here have stated.

My concern with it would be an extension of the lag time between frutings due to the GREATLY decreased temperature exposure initially, and then the maintainance at lower temps then optimum for growth rate. It seems to me it would be better to only slightly lower temps, and combine it with the OTHER stimuli to get fruits. It may take longer to get the first flush, but it MAY ALSO take less time to get the second, third, fourth, etc....

I never cold shock cubensis, NEVER needed to. Just trying to see the benefits and ways them against any pitfalls.

I don't grow cakes either.

Definetly can see it being beneficial for STUBBORN CAKES or CASINGS that refuse to Stop vegetating regardless of exposure to the other STIMULI. The Mycelium has to STOP growing to fruit.

Dropping temps 10 degrees is not the same as dropping it 40 degrees. The former just slows down the growth. The latter can STOP IT. Once the mycelium stops growing it starts the pinning process, after a short lag to GET READY. COLD SHOCK could make this happen faster. If it does, like wise it can make the in between flush period, LONGER. Temps beneficial to fruiting are Lower then temps beneficial to growing(eating). The mycelium gathers nutrients in FEEDING mode, stores them, and uses them to develope the first and second flush. Then it has to feed some more to make more pins and develope them. This is why I think Cold shocking might speed up pin sety, but slow down the time in between flushes.



So maybe you should also read the teks.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: ButterNut]
    #2673649 - 05/13/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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ButterNut said:
Yes although cold shocking does not need to be done under water(its just that its usually done at the same time as the dunk)simply opening a window is not considered cold shocking,unless you live in Siberia.The temperture needs to be lower than 60 degrees for cold shocking.





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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: likeshrooms247]
    #2673657 - 05/13/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Cubes do not need a cold shock... but PE does take a long long long time to pin. Don't worry, it sounds like you are doing fine.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: Rose]
    #2675775 - 05/13/04 10:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Let me make sure I follow this: It's debatable that cold shocking speeds up pinning. Debatable enough that every time some posters asks about shocking, both sides are posted as valid advice.

If a change from incubation to fruiting chambers, that is 85-75 is/may be enough, then a change from 85-"60 some" is/may be enough as well.

Furthermore, Hallucinogen, the original poster asked for help on shocking. You told him to shock and dunk, without explaining the difference or significance of the steps. All the info is in the FAQs, and it's certainly your choice to answer the way you do, just like its my choice to answer the way I do. The difference is that answering in my fashion just pisses people off, while answering in your fashion spreads misinformation. Before you know it, the poster will be sharing his methods with his friends who see him as an experienced cultivator, and he'll say to them "Dont forgot to cold shock the cakes by submerging them in water and putting them in the fridge." Then they'll go research things online and get incredibly confused because what they think of as shocking is most definitely not shocking.

See what I'm saying? That's my problem with the teks - a lot of the ones I've read all have stupid, weird, extraneous or over the top steps in them like "After innoculating with *exactly* 7.395 CCs of liquid culture, take off your shoes and do a handstand for no more than 4.57 seconds, after which you should say a benediction over the cakes, begging the Earth Mother to keep away contams." People keep doing this stupid shit because they get told certain things which may be true or good advice, but not necessarily presented in a 100% accurate fashion and then it gets accepted to be gospel.


Edited by IfIWereARichMan (05/13/04 10:49 PM)


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: IfIWereARichMan]
    #2675831 - 05/13/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If you going to cold shock it might as well dunk it too, it will only do good, thats why I said what I said.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: IfIWereARichMan]
    #2675875 - 05/13/04 11:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I wasnt disputing temps because I dont think Cold shocking is needed,but i dunk in the fridge to help ward off contams while dunking,thats why I do it.
What I was disagreeing with you about was whether cold shocking is needed or not,what is considered "Cold shocking" is alot lower than 60F.That temperture dropyou suggest may very well be enough to initiate pinning,I wasnt disputing that,in fact I think it is,but thats not a cold shock.
Again from The FAQ:
Dropping temps 10 degrees is not the same as dropping it 40 degrees. The former just slows down the growth. The latter can STOP IT. Once the mycelium stops growing it starts the pinning process, after a short lag to GET READY. COLD SHOCK could make this happen faster

So whether dropping the temperture down to 60F works or not,Its not Cold shocking.
As for the Teks not being perfect,your absolutly right,thats why they are always changing and new developments and teks being made.But somethings in the teks no matter how old will never change.


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Re: Starting Pinning With Penis Envy Cakes [Re: ButterNut]
    #2676021 - 05/13/04 11:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The TEKS make it look alot more complicated then it really is, when I 1st started I thought I'd never make it, but when I got ahang of it, its pretty damn easy and the TEK could of been done in 2 pages instead of 10.


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