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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732369 - 06/09/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would you convert to any religious belief without first starting off with a high degree of skepticism of that religion?  You maybe don't care if the religious belief is true or not, and you just want the community experience which you can find in many different outlets other than organized religion.




Like what?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

Or you can join a hobby (art, music, wood crafts, pool billiards, food banks, teaching) of some sort. It's often the best source of community and it doesn't come with any strings attached.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: sui]
    #26732590 - 06/09/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The Holy Bible is a boon to let you know of what incredible things can happen in life. And, having read such will give broader view of what can happen. Go out and live life as such. Be your own prophet and experience those wonders of life that make life.

Other than that, that book a tool used by others for ego games.  Let’s listen to the priests own psychotherapy via the Bible.  Sit there and be uncomfortable for few hours and listen to that praise me shit.

Fuck man. The new age priests are on stage offering music so you can dance and be merry and jolly little sheep. Not having you sit for few hours listening to awful music and singing standing still. Awful crap.

The rave scene. Take communion, xtc, lsd what have you and have a grand trip dancing all night enjoying the pleasures of the mind.

Have fun in church. Maybe you will fall in Love with the fathers daughter a go into a relationship contemplating sin and religion for the rest of your years.  And as you die, and your focus point slips to three, you’ll believe to you see the cross. And as you seeing projected body from within, you’ll believe Jesus is there to take you to Heaven.

Best of luck to you. 

Amen.

I think I read most of Buddhist in America all come from psychedelic use.  Something like 85% come from insightful psychedelic use and find Buddhist words more of connection such relating experiences.

Check out BuddhaSutra.com  Find a topic to read and if not extremely long sutra, read it. You will find some great readings

Jesus died for his own sins, not mine.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26732596 - 06/09/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:  right on.

Also, Here’s a link to Buddhist canonical texts and the original suttras as best preserved over time imho.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: qman]
    #26732648 - 06/09/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The devil is everywhere around you, reflected in bad choices and seeks to bring harm to you/the world.  It tries to influence others to make the same bad choices so it feels like its choices aren't so bad (Misery loves company).  Advertising companies selling cigarettes as healthy for instance.  It's not just you imagining an influence to do things that might hurt yourself or others, it is actually out there trying to trick you; a real mind state that exists in others that will ultimately effect you regardless of the belief of your own personal goodness.  Someone who shoots up heroin trying to convince someone else to try needles for the first time- that person is working for the devil, that which confuses bad as good and spreads destruction.  People who shoot heroin are coping with pain in a way which only creates more pain for themselves, while convincing themselves it's more pleasure.  This self-deceit and influence to others is the devil (the father of lies).

An innocent baby gets shot in a drive-by.  That innocent baby isn't at fault, it didn't exist in her mind.  It existed because people didn't give a fuck, and those people influenced other people that bad is fun and exciting and actually good and in their best interest.  This is a very real phenomenon and bad being good/exciting is one that exists autonomously.  Anyone who has ever got a rush from stealing will tell you that it felt good to do the bad thing.  They got a feeling of power unmatched by drugs, they also got whatever items they were stealing.  A little kid might steal a cookie even though he knows it's for desert and isn't supposed to.  He might even feel bad once caught, but that impulse to go against what the mind knows is right?  That's the devil and it gets reinforced from outside your mind in the world around you and it effects every single human who has ever lived.  All kids need to be taught not to tell lies, or shown why lies are harmful.

The influence of bad being good is a very real one and it exists all around you separate from yourself and the more you deny it's existence the more you're likely to be influenced by it or allow others to be influenced by it.  I was at a Dave & Busters and they had big screen TVs on the floor showing rap videos of half naked people engaged in sexualized behaviors while 6 year olds stood staring.  That's not cool, and parents who would bring their children in there wouldn't be able to prevent their under-aged kids from seeing adult-themed content.  Rapper Boosie just said he got his 12 year old son a blowjob from an adult woman.  It's not just in their head bro.  The standard of behavior which deems "bad/negative/harmful" as "good/positive/counterproductive" is identified as THE DEVIL. 

The list goes on, but these influences certainly exist outside of oneself, but only our own behavior and identifying the devil can influence/change them.   

To say the devil isn't real outside of your own mind or exists autonomously is nonsense.  Evil/destructive/harmful/forever life-changing behaviors exist, therefor the "form/potential" for evil has to pre-exist the behavior.  This pre-existence and that which influences the engagement of the behavior, is The Devil and people attempt to identify scenarios or manifestations of it but get laughed at likely because it requires honesty and cleaning ones own closet and the Devil is the Father of Lies.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26732712 - 06/09/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So if humanity didn’t exist, the devil would be doing what exactly?  And exactly how would it be doing anything whatsoever.

You misunderstood what I meant by saying it doesn’t exist independently of mind.  But that’s half expected.  It’s not my job to teach you.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732814 - 06/09/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I don’t understand that above. Whatcha saying?

I like the imagery to the long explanation but the short one above following, what?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732873 - 06/09/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He's not a teacher remember?  He's The Blind Ass.

If humans didn't exist we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  If a tree falls in the woods and no one exists to hear it, is there even a tree to begin with?  Does anything exist outside of the mind to you?  Your question is nonsense based on what the devil is defined as and the fact that humans exist. 

You can choose to not see it as an entity I guess.  You can call it "group think" and "irrational decisions" or "selfishness" or "power trip" or "sickness" or whatever you want, it's a real phenomenon and there are lots and lots of people who find fun in being bad and doing fucked up shit and purposefully convincing others to do the same.
Before Airplanes existed, that which dictates flight was still a thing.  If you'd like to look at a different social animal you will see there are do's and don'ts within their reality and social hierarchy as well.

Why is physical sickness being caused by a physical pathogen reasonable but spiritual sickness being caused by a spiritual pathogen not? 

In fact, how fucking crazy would it be if all evil behaviors were caused by a physical pathogen???



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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 2
    #26733054 - 06/09/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Take 2 Girls, 1 Cup for instance.  That shit happened (no pun intended).  What would possess people to want to do that(money obviously, but like really?  love of money=root of all evil yada yada)?  What would possess people to share that, despite knowing how vile it is other than "I had to see it, you do to= shared misery= SPIRITUAL PATHOGEN" and some get a giggle out of poisoning peoples minds, other than The Devil Inside?  How do you think those people feel today?  Do you think their parents saw the video?  Would you watch that video with your parents?


What about some of the people who saw that and ended up getting a new perversion that tortures them?  Like how fucked would it be to be exposed to 2 girls 1 cup and then from then on you start eating shit and trying to get your girlfriend to eat shit all because you saw humans you thought were attractive do it and it stimulated your erotic response?  Like that shit will never be out of the minds of people who saw it for the rest of the time they are alive. 


What if it becomes the new norm for adults to blow 12 year olds since the rapper idol said he did it?  Don't you realize that's how these things work?  People look up to people and imitate their behaviors and values. 

If you act like there isn't a force pushing for destructive values which perpetuate suffering, then you probably work for it or are influenced by it and enjoy it.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26733060 - 06/10/20 12:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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If you act like there isn't a force pushing for destructive values which perpetuate suffering, then you probably work for it or are influenced by it and enjoy it.





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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26733061 - 06/10/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good on you longbus. I'm rooting for you. All the way home.


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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26733062 - 06/10/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ah okay, yeah calling it a “real phenomena” - that makes more sense to me.  Now I follow.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I Can’t disagree with that.  Then yea, I agree/know there are forces like that. 

Similar to the Kilesa? (Kleshas)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleshas_(Buddhism)


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26733094 - 06/10/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I could see how Buddhist Kleshas could be attempting to describe the same phenomenon or manifestations.  Are Kleshas considered "contagious" in the sense that they purposefully encourage others into defilement?  Or in the construct of "the devil," do Kleshas celebrate badness as good/enjoyment?  Is it related to the sensation that is felt when doing bad that the person feels to be good and powerful?

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The problem with reincarnation/karmic beliefs is that they always lead to hell/eternal punishment don't they?

If your level of suffering on Earth is based on a previous incarnation and the level of suffering you brought others, then you will always be forced to come back to be punished for the suffering you caused others since it is impossible to live perfect.  Just by existing you create karma, you consume life to live.  Maybe you got a job you didn't need but someone else did, your existence caused their suffering even if you weren't mean to them.  You get blinded by the idea you get rewarded for good deeds, when doing good deeds is how you're supposed to live anyway.  It makes all your good deeds self-serving for points and rewards rather than spirit serving for bettering the condition of existence and demonstrating your understanding of spirit in all things.  Also, doing good deeds with the purpose of getting rewards negates the deeds, so every single good deed you do while believing in the existence of karma is negated(since you believe karma works by rewarding good deeds.  By default every good deed you do is unconscious points you are scoring for yourself with the intent of rewarding yourself) while you are asking to be punished but not remember why. 

If Buddha became enlightened by removing all desires, and becoming enlightened removes you from the cycle of life and death, then when he removed all desires he no longer existed in the physical world.  In order for him to share his enlightenment with others, he'd have to desire to  share it, desire to become a physical being again in order to share it, and also desire others to listen and believe his knowledge.  How would he maintain enlightenment with these desires?  How could he have desires(to spread enlightenment with others) in a realm(that's not physical reality where things live and die) that requires the removal of desire in order to access it?

There are Hindu Guru's who say if they don't complete their mission in this life they have to reincarnate to 1,000 more lives.  Obviously they fucked up in their previous life, so does that mean they are on life 2 of 1,000 for that fuck up and they get another 1,000 or does it just keep resetting or what? 

Take a rapist for example.  Clearly that guy has to reincarnate into a life of suffering.  Everything bad that happens to that person, it's their own fault for being a rapist in their previous life even though they have no idea they were a rapist.  Now, let's take all the people that wronged that person in their life.  Now they also have to be dealt karma, since karma is blind.  So karma uses people to punish people, and then punishes the people it uses to punish people, and then on and then on which sounds a whole lot like never ending punishment. 


Ask any true student of karma and they'll tell you that Karma can never fully be payed off.  It's a blame-the-victim belief as well.  Anything bad that happens to you is your fault from a previous life, and anytime you do bad to others well that was just karma working through you.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26733175 - 06/10/20 01:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think if your interested in discussing or expounding upon the historical Buddha or Buddhist beliefs in general that you should start by reading & studying the canonical sutras from the Tripitaka.  Otherwise you come off like a very ignorant fool to those that do and have done so.

Here is a link to a legit site with the Tripitaka - the most basic text of Buddhism which one must become familiar with if they wish to claim to know for themselves  what It is that the Buddha taught.  It’s either that, or rely on here say from someone else.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/



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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26733184 - 06/10/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think if your interested in discussing or expounding upon the historical Buddha or Buddhist beliefs in general that you should start by reading & studying the canonical sutras from the Tripitaka.  Otherwise you come off like a very ignorant person to those that do and have done so.




Cool, this is probably a good thing to do. I wonder how it ties into the psychedelic experience? :strokebeard:


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26733187 - 06/10/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26733194 - 06/10/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet thanks man!


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26733202 - 06/10/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can karma ever be paid in full?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26733239 - 06/10/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/study/kamma.html.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/karunaratna/bl125.html

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nanamoli/wheel248.html

There is a lot of basic reading & study to cover before I’d feel comfortable discussing Karma with you, but for the sake of time and conventionality I will leave some links here.  Buddhism is a way of life, not an ornamentation to decorate ones life with.  Subtle, Profound, and the road less traveled.  Most have no interest in the real thing.  But if you do you will read and practice and study for yourself and find out first hand what is true and not - no matter how long the path seems to be.


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