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I'm going to convert to Christianity.
    #26732168 - 06/09/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The Devil hides in the beauty. Psychedelics are a lie. It's all the devil tricking you into falling away from Christ.

I have decided that I am going to begin going to church, at least for the reason that I want to get their interpretation of what's going on in the world right now.

I am not sure which denomination I want to go with, but I certainly know it isn't Roman Catholic... I've had enough of that nonsense. I'm thinking Baptist.

Is anyone here a Christian and has insight into denominations?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732201 - 06/09/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics are chemical substances.  The help you perceive things that are not real - just like last nights dream.  But even the unreal can have a real effect upon people when the source of it is one’s own mind.  Just take yourself for instance, converting to Christianity after tripping.  Maya - Makyo etc. 

However, Apart from you, there is no devil with an independently self existential nature - I’m sure ya know that already though. Just like how apart from water there is no ice.  If you catch my drift.  It’s more telling about our the nature of Mind and the Brain - our embodied being than anything else, so whatever story is best suited to your personality, I say check it out, be it Christianity, Buddhism, or Atheism. 

Still, it’s a big decision to convert to any religion after taking a drug.    Explore and find out for yourself.  Good luck.  No need to pigeon hole yourself into something in an all or nothing type deal.  :thumbup:

Not that insight can’t be had from illusions & hallucinations, they can.  Be it about ones own psyche or about the underlying mechanics behind consciousness & how it and phenomena work together to Co-mutually fabricate our sense of reality and sense of self.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732207 - 06/09/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have a gnostic belief system so I don’t think I count.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: lowbrow]
    #26732218 - 06/09/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: lowbrow]
    #26732224 - 06/09/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Psychedelics are chemical substances.  The help you perceive things that are not real - just like last nights dream.  But even the unreal can have a real effect upon people when the source of it is one’s own mind.  Just take yourself for instance, converting to Christianity after tripping.  Maya - Makyo etc.

However, Apart from you, there is no devil with an independently self existential nature - I’m sure ya know that already though. Just like how apart from water there is no ice.  If you catch my drift.

Still, it’s a big decision to convert to any religion after taking a drug.    Explore and find out for yourself.  Good luck.  No need to pigeon hole yourself into something in an all or nothing type deal.  :thumbup:




This isn't just after taking drugs. Drugs certainly played a part but not during the trip. I've told many fundamentalist Christians about my DMT trips (and I guarantee I've tripped harder than anyone alive on DMT, i've broken through a break through before to the peak). They all told me it's the devil hiding in sheeps clothes.

I'm not saying I'm going to convert, but I want to talk to as many preachers as I can. I would like the sense of communtiy that comes from it too. That's missing in my life.

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I have a gnostic belief system so I don’t think I count.




I have researched this a bit and agree to a degree.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732233 - 06/09/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You listened to someone else tell you about your hallucination?  Hallucinations are solipsistic in that they can only be completely understood by the mind which generates them - they are inherently private phenomena - apart from that they have no meaning, and if you try to discuss it with someone else they can only project their own stuff & baggae onto it.

  I find that odd that you did that , but to each his own.  Btw I edited my initial post. Good luck.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732240 - 06/09/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever gotten really high before?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732245 - 06/09/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Of course.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732256 - 06/09/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So high that you communicate with some like ineffable being that tells you the secrets of the universe, and you believe it (at least while you're high)?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732259 - 06/09/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously.  And yet I know the whole time that apart from my brain they had no inherent self existing nature of their own.

Just like how in a dream all the characters & content in it are my own brain’s doing , so to speak.

It’s trippy on drugs sure, but I still can see the truth about the phenomena of their appearance when it occurs.  Don’t be fooled man.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732262 - 06/09/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:awehigh: It's pretty crazy man. I'm surprised more people haven't been there. I think if everyone experienced that, the world might make more sense.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732269 - 06/09/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

what doesw that have to do with christianity?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732273 - 06/09/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What I’m amazed at is that those things are even potentially experienceable.  Like, why are they in the store house consciousness at all?

Pretty neat.

Some of the more esoteric monastic sects of Christianity will have some hip monks that you can actually discuss this type of thing with, and they will have  some experience with it themselves in some form or another.  Just got to look around till you find the right people in the right place.  The monastic traditions of Christianity and Buddhism are underated.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: sui]
    #26732278 - 06/09/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well maybe it's possible that the devil exists in psychedelic substances as the forbidden fruit (much like in the creation story). When you eat it you see the world as it really is and you have to go through the suffering of existence with the knowledge of the frivolity of life.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732279 - 06/09/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would speak with MarkostheGnostic (shroomery member) about it.  He’s decently well learned and can converse on the subject pretty well.
He could help set you straight & flesh out some of the harder to see points that I don’t have the time to get into right now.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732280 - 06/09/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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What I’m amazed at is that those things are even potentially experienceable.  Like, why are they in the store house consciousness at all?

Pretty neat.

Some of the more esoteric monastic sects of Christianity will have some hip monks that you can actually discuss this type of thing with, and they will have  some experience with it themselves in some form or another.  Just got to look around till you find the right people in the right place.  The monastic traditions of Christianity and Buddhism are underated.




Maybe some time thousands of years ago we used to know how to harness it, but then the powers that be caged our consciousness and we forgot what our potential really is.

It's a lot like tigers in a zoo, after a few generations they would forget that they're supposed to be running through the wild.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732287 - 06/09/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe...just make sure you discern when you are imputing reason and meaning upon reality where there is none.  I don’t make up my mind about any of this stuff.

One is fabricated, the other one remains even when your not doing anything or are dead.
I don’t know if you’ve ever lucid dreamed, but when you do - you can tell what’s being experienced is all pure Mind phenomena / brain generated - all while simultaneously knowing your also in bed dreaming of it. 

Psychedelic experiences are like that too, but can be with or without the lucidity.  Thus the origins of what one is seeing may not be revealed as having its roots In mind.  When unknown, people can believe anything - like they were visited by aliens that actually inhabit some far distant galaxy, or anything else for that matter etc etc.

Others take it to be religious based.  But if you grew up o an island alone without ever perceiving any form of any of the tales of Christianity or religion or demons etc - you probably wouldn’t be using the word Devil, etc.  but something else.  Just remember that. 

However, the word demon does point to an aspect within the dimension of human experience.  Usually it’s just symbolic for something awful, or a horribly immoral violent beast of a person -  other times, like on psychedelics it can be perceived as a literal thing via the powers of the Mind + psychedelic substances making it seem real - even though it’s absent in objective reality.

Marked by the quality of being simultaneously Absent - yet  - Apparent. 


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732316 - 06/09/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Why would you convert to any religious belief without first starting off with a high degree of skepticism of that religion?  You maybe don't care if the religious belief is true or not, and you just want the community experience which you can find in many different outlets other than organized religion.


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: qman]
    #26732323 - 06/09/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would you convert to any religious belief without first starting off with a high degree of skepticism of that religion?  You maybe don't care if the religious belief is true or not, and you just want the community experience which you can find in many different outlets other than organized religion.




Like what?


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Re: I'm going to convert to Christianity. [Re: longbus]
    #26732336 - 06/09/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I find most churches to be fake and only care about money/status. That is not what I thought christianity is about. This is coming from someone who believes in god. My best advise is search yourself. That is the only place you are going to find any kind of truth.


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