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Re: defund the police. [Re: Amanita86]
#26729731 - 06/08/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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BLM said fuck bernie... many of these organizations are fronts
give ur money to the panthers
been seeing too many yt's handing over money to the establishment
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Stop the war on drugs and save tons of resources. You could have less police, less DA's, less courts, less prisons and less probation.
https://www.drugwarfacts.org/node/235
Almost all of drug arrests (86%) are still for drug possession. And 40% of drug arrests for marijuana.
So of the 10,300,000 arrest in 2018, 1,650,000 were drug related with most just simple possession.
We could cut police budgets by 33% by just ending the out of date drug laws.
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Re: defund the police. [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26729735 - 06/08/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, exactly. the police definitely need more skills, but also more people suited to apply those skills. i dont think a police officer should be expected to handle every situation, but they are the only ones we call in any emergency.
the police are trained to be ready for violence at all times. such is why they have guns and bulletproof vests. there are very little de-escalation training seminars compared to the number of seminars on how to effectively subdue a person of interest.
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Re: defund the police. [Re: qman] 1
#26729746 - 06/08/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said: Stop the war on drugs and save tons of resources. You could have less police, less DA's, less courts, less prisons and less probation
100% yes
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Re: defund the police. [Re: Amanita86]
#26729800 - 06/08/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: One thing that would solve a lot of issue is if cops didn’t go fucking bananas over drugs that aren’t a problem. I bet at least 50%, if not more, of what they do involves only drugs. Make their fuckin job as obsolete as possible..
agreed. whats more bananas is that a lot of police departments depend on arrest quotas to retain funding and will do anything to hit their marks.. including planting drugs on innocent people.
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i dont beleive its naive to imagine that many of the leaders managing police departments encourage officers to arrest as many people as they can.. whether those people did anything wrong or not.
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split_by_nine said: i dont beleive its naive to imagine that many of the leaders managing police departments encourage officers to arrest as many people as they can.. whether those people did anything wrong or not.
Arrest and contact quotas are commonplace.
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Re: defund the police. [Re: qman] 1
#26729842 - 06/08/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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it wasnt too long ago that police in the USA were lawfully allowed to harass people of color. then soon after the civil rights movement helped to extinguish that behavior the US govt created "the war on drugs" to again lawfully harass and imprison people in communities that were predominantly non-white.
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I have an idea. Now this may sound absolutely ludicrous and psycho, but here it is. Why don't the police force(s)/stations around the entire USA use all that fucking drug money they bust people with? how about all the fucking cash the DEA has in a locker somewhere? They can use that to train the policepeople.
I also saw a bill drafted up for CO and it has points in it that are absolutely brilliant and I would vote yes on it. 90% of it anyway. Also I have read that they keep an IQ score low to keep people from changing jobs etc...it's a racket and is ingrained in the USA mindset/average Joe. It's going to take MAJOR reform and such to even begin training new people for that job. I would love to see changes in it. Maybe this is the beginning.
Also nixon was a dirtbag racist son of a fucking bitch asshole bastard! 
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split_by_nine said: i dont have all the facts or statistics, but the main focus is to reallocate the money into better, more efficient services. of course it will not fix things overnight, but im willing to bet that we can help more people instead of putting them in jail.
I had this argument with a friend of mine this morning. I told her defunding the police does not mean abolishing the police. We still need police, but instead of buying them grenade launchers, we should buy them uniforms and maybe put some of that money (OUR MONEY) into better mental health screening.
She refused to see anything other than "YOU WANT TO DISBAND THE POLICE" and no amount of evidence I brought forth was looked at. To her credit, she at least admitted she wasn't going to read any facts.
No, I'm not a liberal. I'm not a conservative. I'm sick and tired of the bullshit extremes in this country and why the fuck we can't ever compromise on anything. Everyone has to be right. Everyone individually believes their way is the only way, and if you try to upset that balance, they lose their god damned minds. Most people can't handle having their perceived reality challenged.
But please....let's go ahead and continue with a system that's not working. It's been craptastic up until now, why change a thing?
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amen
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Yeah Fuck their new anti tank vehicles that they will never realistically use....
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tyrannicalrex said: I have an idea. Now this may sound absolutely ludicrous and psycho, but here it is. Why don't the police force(s)/stations around the entire USA use all that fucking drug money they bust people with? how about all the fucking cash the DEA has in a locker somewhere?
All that money ends up in their bank accts
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defund police is wack
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Re: defund the police. [Re: chutney] 1
#26732429 - 06/09/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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cops getting away with breaking the laws they are employed to enforce is pretty wack too
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split_by_nine
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tyrannicalrex said: It's going to take MAJOR reform and such to even begin training new people for that job. I would love to see changes in it. Maybe this is the beginning.
i like to think that it is the beginning. people are tired of being bullied by police and others are sick of watching it happen
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most of the cops ive encountered are exactly this.
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That's thanks to a legal doctrine known as Qualified Immunity. It's a legal doctrine meant to prevent people from suing cops frivolously as well as giving them some breathing room in doing their jobs. Unfortunately, it makes it harder to get justice because not only do you have to prove the law was broken, you must provide legal precedent. In lots of these cases, there is no precedent.
SCOTUS is looking into this doctrine now, and lemme tell you....when Clarence Thomas, the Cato Institute, the ACLU, and the NAACP are in favor of reviewing this, there is something definitely, completely, wholly wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/08/870165744/supreme-court-weighs-qualified-immunity-for-police-accused-of-misconduct
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split_by_nine said: cops getting away with breaking the laws they are employed to enforce is pretty wack too
omgggggggggg
tantrum time 
was talking in discord last night about the protests and how attractive women have more capacity to defend other protestors from cops because cops are less likely to assault them publicly then made an off-hand comment about how the situation with protests was a strange flip side to how women in isolated circumstances are more likely to be sexually assaulted in private and received a link regarding cops and immunity that straight up upset me
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Anna was sitting in the parked car with two friends when a charcoal gray van pulled up and flashlight beams momentarily blinded her. The 18-year-old had grown up in south Brooklyn and spent many Friday nights like this driving around the city with friends, looking for places to hang out away from home. On this night, though, September 15, 2017, sometime between 7:30 p.m. and 8 p.m., she crossed paths with the cops.
There were two of them, both plainclothes detectives over 6 feet tall and powerfully built, flashing their badges and asking questions. There was weed in the front cupholder, and soon the detectives ordered the three occupants out of the car. As Anna later recalled, the detectives handcuffed her and told her friends, both young men, they were free to go. Then, she said they led her — a slender woman just over 5 feet tall — into the back of the unmarked police van with tinted windows.
Inside, Anna said the detectives took turns raping her in the backseat as the van cruised the dark streets and as she sat handcuffed, crying and repeatedly telling them “No.” Between assaults, she said, the van pulled over so the cops could switch drivers. Less than an hour later, a few minutes’ drive from where it all began, the detectives dropped Anna off on the side of the road, a quarter-mile from a police station, surveillance footage shows. She stood on the sidewalk, her arms wrapped around her chest, looking up and down the dimly lit street and pacing slowly before borrowing a cell phone from a passerby to call a friend.
The cops made no arrest, issued no citation, filed no paperwork about the stop. Hours later, Anna and her mother went to a hospital, where Anna told nurses two detectives had sexually assaulted her, according to hospital records. Semen collected in Anna’s rape kit matched the DNA of detectives Eddie Martins, 37, and Richard Hall, 33, of the Brooklyn South narcotics unit. Both have since resigned from the force and been charged with rape.
Anna assumed it was a simple case: Two cops had sex with a woman in their custody in the middle of their shift.
When a Facebook friend questioned whether there was enough evidence to dispute the officers’ claim that the sex was consensual, Anna wrote back, “Listen man it doesn't fucking matter they’re on duty police officers its a fucking violation these are the people we call for help not to get fucked.”
But Anna didn’t know that in New York, there is no law specifically stating that it is illegal for police officers or sheriff’s deputies in the field to have sex with someone in their custody. It is one of 35 states where armed law enforcement officers can evade sexual assault charges by claiming that such an encounter — from groping to intercourse — was consensual, according to a BuzzFeed News review of every state legal code.


already felt unsafe in Canada as a trans woman just because of statistics but this is apparently still a thing in a majority of states?
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In recent years, some states have closed this loophole, applying to cops the same rules already in place nationwide for probation officers and prison and jail guards. Oregon did so in 2005, Alaska in 2013, and Arizona in 2015. Most have not, partly because few people realize the loophole exists, and partly because it has been politically unpopular to push laws that target cops and anger their powerful unions.
Of at least 158 law enforcement officers charged since 2006 with sexual assault, sexual battery, or unlawful sexual contact with somebody under their control, at least 26 have been acquitted or had charges dropped based on the consent defense, according to my review of a Buffalo News database of more than 700 law enforcement officers accused of sexual misconduct.
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