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OfflineKmacmo
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Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway?
    #26728001 - 06/08/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So we're told weed is a gateway to try different drugs, I think it's the tobacco and alcohol mainly the legal stuff surprisingly.
I think it's more about the person than any drug, if simply getting high and that good feeling makes you want to find even stronger highs then your fucked that will lead to death lol.

While growing up I learned about all these other drugs that have been rumored to actually help people, while the legal ones only cause harm and misery. I thought there's gotta be something to it.
Nearly every psychedelic plant has incredible healing potential when used properly but it's gonna be impossible with the mindset 'drugs are to get high' which were taught from society.

In my time I've taken tobacco, alcohol, weed, coke, shrooms in that order. So the hard stuff led me to something alot more natural and healthy if used right ofc, how about that.
Cokes a rare occasion maybe once or twice a year, and it's always fantastic just have a rule that there must be atleast 4-5months in between the coke sessions ha.
Shrooms make me feel at home and the thought of needing somethine else hasnt crossed my mind... Yet.

We could call vanilla ice cream a gateway to flavoured ice-cream, with anything human curiosity takes over we have to try them all and learn everything we can... We're natural explorers and adventurists.

Abit of a weird post just thinking and writing it down, anyone agree that drugs are not 'gateways' the human mind is the gateway... To further understanding of our existence.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26728008 - 06/08/20 03:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm inclined to lean more towards the latter of the two options you present here, OP.

Gateway drugs is a poor term (not your use of them for this thread, this is a valid discussion), and a great example of how society betrays and oversimplifies issues with its own language.

I'm only going to use cannabis as my example here because it's common, and all I've really had experience with.

Most of the time you're forced to purchase cannabis from a drug dealer. It's not uncommon, in particular demographics, for said individuals to also deal other substances. At this point it's then up to the willpower and desire of the individual. You do the math.

I've only ever encountered one "Holy shit, fuck this let's get out of here NOW" scenario, and I only use :leaf: and :mushroom2:. It was in a - you guessed it - less than desirable area as a last resort for some cannabis over a decade back now. Walked in to the guy's apartment to see guns and other assorted powders on the table, in plain view of his open glass slider door facing the parking lot, and main road. Kids were huffing balloons, and filling them up from the tanks all over the floor. Loaded gun on the table being spin like a party favor by a bunch of high as fuck morons.

I bet you can guess how all those kids turned out starting with pot.

To say it was pot that got people like this started is a huge simplification. I'd say it's the power of the individual's will and drive after a certain point, regardless of circumstances.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26728365 - 06/08/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have returned to ice cream several times in my life.
this proves only that life is a gateway drug to more ice cream.

I think that is a good thing, one thing leads to another, each person is different.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26728372 - 06/08/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

D.A.R.E. never did anything for me but give me a cool shirt to get high in. Thats all I know.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26728513 - 06/08/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Apart from embodied beings there’s no gateway.  Ie. We are like the gateway itself.  Receive food like medicine.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26728800 - 06/08/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If anything, food is probably the worst gateway drug, as it's one of the first ways we start to experience the pleasure reward system of our own brains...

Addicted from the teat :crazy2:


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Forrester]
    #26731036 - 06/09/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A gateway drug imo is one that somebody doesn’t have good control over when high on.  This leads them into other more harmful drugs because of this lack of control.  Or a drug where they’ve made associations to other destructive drugs when they get high on x or y.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26731096 - 06/09/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

propaganda for the drug war anyway


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26731130 - 06/09/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A barbaric repression.    :nonono:


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26731495 - 06/09/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It could be that mushrooms have a will of their own and want to communicate with us. First they have to lure us in with all sorts of tricks and turns to break our conditioning to reach their level of consciousness in this particular manifestation of physical reality.

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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26740845 - 06/12/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think that when I drink a fifth of Wild Turkey 101...a pint of hand sanitizer, and a couple shots of gasoline...I might have an issue...not the drug. While we are on the subject I heard that meth and gunpowder are a good combo....


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Huehuecoyotl] * 1
    #26741093 - 06/13/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Gateway drug theories are statistical lies.

Water is a gateway to all drug use, every single drug user in the world drank water before they touched drugs. Someone call the fucking government quick! Let's nip this crisis in the bud.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Northerner]
    #26741272 - 06/13/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's true without water we couldn't do drugs, get the promlem at the source... No water = no drugs.
I think my first hit was milk, the milk going into my body and making me stronger giving me my first ever high damn its addicting now I eat all sorts of foods.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: Kmacmo]
    #26741276 - 06/13/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

mothers, without mothers we could never suck


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26741297 - 06/13/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Might not count for anything but a distinct part I remember from my first acid trip was that drugs were simply a metaphor. A 'gateway' into the unknown. An illusion to be shattered. A hurdle to be overcome.

In that moment drugs were portrayed as natural as the ocean or the sky. A part of us, and the world.

Which they are, imo.

The most harmful drugs, I believe, is the child of our inability to cultivate a healthy relationship with mind-altering substances as if they were one of our limbs.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: remake]
    #26741741 - 06/13/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I cannot take what you say seriously with that purple chicken choker going continuously.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26741753 - 06/13/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
I cannot take what you say seriously with that purple chicken choker going continuously.





I think It’s pretty much the most fantastic thing on the whole forum if Im being honest.
I could write a book about the trials and tribulations and musings of that  purple chicken choker.

It’s basically Sisyphus - and is condemned to “bounce on the D” for all of eternity.  Enslaved forever to slam on it.:sadyes:


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26741767 - 06/13/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Well, I thought the purpose of it would be to lighten the mood a bit.


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: remake]
    #26741778 - 06/13/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well that too of course :wink:.  I can project into it endlessly like it’s an ink-blot test.  I just need to know does it have a name? Did it ever have a name before coming enslaved?


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Re: Gateway drugs? Or its the human mind that is the gateway? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26741797 - 06/13/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm ashamed to admit I haven't named it yet.

Let's call it:

Pogo.


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