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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 5
#26731420 - 06/09/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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One cop tried to stop and help the 75 year old man bleeding out of his ears on the sidewalk and when he tried to help, his buddy stopped him and he listened and continued on his way.
Any person, actually intent on protecting and serving, that wasn't morally corrupt, would have helped the guy regardless of what their buddy says to do.
Only 2 cops were relieved of duty but all 57 remaining members of the task force resigned in solidarity for them and they were cheered outside of the court house.
For what? Assaulting an old man and then stepping over him as he bled out? If a task force has 60 members and 57 resign in solidarity for people who abuse the elderly then it's definitely more than a few bad apples.
The bad apples have ruined the entire bunch and it's time to put them in the trash and get some new apples in and maybe put some precautions in to keep them from rotting.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#26731432 - 06/09/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The problem with the “it’s only a few bad apples” excuse is it allows you to ignore the fact that it’s the bad apples that run the entire operation.
And remember the actual bad apples metaphor is: a few bad apples ruin the bunch.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow]
#26731434 - 06/09/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my experience people like to put on a pedestal the idea of someone going against the grain and resisting the opinions of others and doing what they think is right regardless of what those around them say.
But those same people will try to silence or push down anyone that does so.
And more often than not they are also the type to bend and go with the crowd.
Most people are chicken shits. Most people are chicken shits that criticize chicken shits.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 2
#26731435 - 06/09/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Time to make some fucking apple sauce
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 2
#26731438 - 06/09/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Seriously find me one active duty cop who is publicly speaking out against the actions of any of these cops accused with crimes. You can’t do that in American police departments. It is simply unacceptable for a beat cop to criticize another beat cops actions. The police unions will not stand for such dissent. People say it’s a few bad apples. Find me a few good ones. I’m taking about any cop who is a member of the FOP. Not management.

Krystal Smith actually stopped one before it happened. I believe she outranks the officer she's yelling at, but she caught him kneeling on a protester's neck. 
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koods said: The problem with the “it’s only a few bad apples” excuse is it allows you to ignore the fact that it’s the bad apples that run the entire operation.
And remember the actual bad apples metaphor is: a few bad apples ruin the bunch.
Agreed. The culture is toxic. People are just people ultimately, there are cops with empathy out there. Until they're working in a system that rewards that kind of empathy it doesn't mean shit though.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
#26731441 - 06/09/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: The problem with the “it’s only a few bad apples” excuse is it allows you to ignore the fact that it’s the bad apples that run the entire operation.
And remember the actual bad apples metaphor is: a few bad apples ruin the bunch.
Yes I understand the excuse. It was used on me when I was advocating major systematic reform years ago.
It doesn't change the fact that there are allies within the PD that can change things for the better if given the opportunity.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: pirate-blues]
#26731444 - 06/09/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I don’t know how high ranking you have to be before you can’t be part of the union
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs] 3
#26731446 - 06/09/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said:
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koods said: The problem with the “it’s only a few bad apples” excuse is it allows you to ignore the fact that it’s the bad apples that run the entire operation.
And remember the actual bad apples metaphor is: a few bad apples ruin the bunch.
Yes I understand the excuse. It was used on me when I was advocating major systematic reform years ago.
It doesn't change the fact that there are allies within the PD that can change things for the better if given the opportunity.
Times up. That doesn’t work. We’re gonna do it our way now. The system has to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. Renovations don’t cut it
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
#26731460 - 06/09/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here’s a joke
One cop starts beating a guy in the street for disrespecting him. Another cop says “hey bob, that’s against the rules.”
That’s it. That was the joke.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 1
#26731462 - 06/09/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If anything my ideas are more extreme than yours.
I think we need to do that with the education system, with the economic system, and with the government.
But we're not, we're going to expect a government that can't run fucking medicaid to rebuild the entire law enforcement system.
They too are either incompetent or corrupt (not all, but as a whole) and will need us to tell them what needs to be done.
From what I see very few casual citizens know almost anything about law enforcement or the variety of services law enforcement provides. Which means we will have to lean on law enforcement experts, police, and try to take their opinions while also setting up the system in a new way.
Relying on shallow buzzwords and hatred and half thought ideas on things you don't really understand is a good way to see that you build a new system that sucks just as bad as the old one.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 2
#26731467 - 06/09/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: If you defund the police, they will seize more assets to self fund.
Not if defunding/disbanding is done properly.
Firing every cop and restructuring the entire system is the only way to fix this systemic problem.
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koods said: Where are the good cops who step in and stop their colleagues from beating the shit out of protesters? WHERE ARE THEY? They don’t exist because the system does not allow them to exist.

That's why disbanding, defunding, and restructuring of the police in the US must be done.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow]
#26731472 - 06/09/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: The bad apples have ruined the entire bunch and it's time to put them in the trash and get some new apples in and maybe put some precautions in to keep them from rotting.
That's literally what defund the police means
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26731479 - 06/09/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Guys, there's been some good conversation since I left about a page and a half in, but stop wasting your time arguing with Koods, his skull is too thick to get anything through.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Jailbird420]
#26731496 - 06/09/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ve been wondering what it means.
Probably privatized police everywhere with nobody policing them so like way fucking worse
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery]
#26731504 - 06/09/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Guys, there's been some good conversation since I left about a page and a half in, but stop wasting your time arguing with Koods, his skull is too thick to get anything through.

Defund fiery
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regret it [Re: Fiery] 4
#26731513 - 06/09/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fiery said: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regret it when they are the victim of a crime like rape, extortion, assault, robbery, etc.
I'm not so sure. I can't speak in the case of rape or extortion, but I have personally been the victim of both an assault and two robberies in my life. In the case of assault, it was never even reported because I was a child who didn't know how to speak up for myself. In the case of the two robberies, the police did absolutely nothing to prevent the crime. They showed up after the crime had already been committed (armed, mind you - for no good reason), entered my home, said they could find no evidence, took my name and birthday, filled out a report, and I was never compensated for my losses.
All of my other interactions with police officers have been traffic stops and mistakes (mistakes on the part of the officers), and the mistakes have been numerous. I like to walk around at night because I'm a weirdo, and I've been stopped by armed police officers so many times and interrogated with no evidence that I've committed any sort of crime. I always comply, but only because I'm afraid of being assaulted or worse.
So, my first point is that having armed police officers doesn't necessarily prevent crimes like robberies from occurring in the first place.
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Fiery said: Then they are going to cry " WHERE'S THE POLICE" and "How could the state have let this happen?" And Then they are going to protest that the state no longer protects them so why are they paying taxes, etc
There are ways for our society to prevent crimes that don't involve officers armed with lethal weapons. For example, most robberies probably happen because of poverty. I'm sure there are people out there who like to just steal for fun, but there aren't nearly as many of those people as there are people who steal because they feel like they have no other options. We, as a society, can do something about poverty. We can improve our social programs, improve mental health services, and make education more affordable - all without the use of force or deadly weapons - and reduce poverty as a result, thus also reducing robberies.
So, my second point is that we can prevent the crimes you're describing from occurring in the first place if we used our society's resources differently.
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Fiery said: And in the MEANTIME. All the criminal organizations that do the rape, extortion robbery and murder are gearing up for a FREE FOR ALL since there won't be police.
The police commit the same atrocities that you're describing. A non-zero number of police officers use their position of authority to sexually harass (and sometimes assault) women. A non-zero number of officers extort civilians, forcing them to do things they otherwise wouldn't do through the threat of force. A non-zero number of police officers steal personal items from searched houses and cars. A non-zero number of police officers have murdered civilians. These officers don't need to "gear up" for anything - they already have gear, and they have been committing these crimes for far too long.
The worst part about the crimes committed by police officers is that they often aren't held to the same standards of justice that the average civilian is. They literally get away with murder sometimes because of the position they hold in society, and no individual (inside or outside the police force) will stand up to them.
So, my third point is that the police are a criminal organization, and that police officers get away with crimes all the time.
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Fiery said: It's really really not thinking things through to Disband the police. And honestly, it's straight up ignorance.
Police abolitionists aren't simply asking for the police to disappear, thinking this would solve their problems. That would be straight-up ignorant, as you said. Police abolitionists are asking for the police to be replaced with non-violent, non-racist means of community protection. There are so many ways for us to protect our communities without armed officers. I believe that so much crime in the U.S. comes up as a result of severe poverty and economic disparity, and I believe we can do something about severe poverty and economic disparity that doesn't involve violence (or the threat of violence).
So, my fourth point is that police abolitionists aren't simply asking that the police be disbanded, but also asking that the police be replaced with a non-violent solution to crime.
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Fiery said: Thoughts?
I think we're looking at the situation from two different perspectives. I think you see society as being made up of sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. The criminals are the wolves, the police are the sheepdogs, and civilians are the sheep. I think you see a bunch of sheep being upset with the sheepdogs because sheepdogs have a tendency to look like wolves. I think you see a world where there is an army of barbarians standing outside the gates of American life, and I think you see the police as the one thing stopping them from entering.
I see a very different world. I see a world made up of people, each one of them imperfect in different ways. I see a world full of brothers and sisters, many of whom are suffering very deeply under a system which keeps them poor and oppressed. I don't see a world divided between good and bad people. All people are good some of the time and bad other times. Good and evil literally define one another, and can't exist without one another. When I see a criminal, I often see someone who needed something very badly - food, healthcare, shelter, companionship. Rather than asking how we are going to lock up all these criminals without the police, I'm asking how we are going to feed all of these criminals, how we are going to make sure they all have healthcare, how we are going to make sure they all have a place to live, and how to make sure that they are in good mental health, so that they don't need to commit these crimes in the first place.
So, my final point is that I don't know exactly what a world without police officers will look like, but I know that it'll never happen if we don't even believe it's possible in the first place. We have to consider other options. People are literally dying for no good reason, man.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#26731531 - 06/09/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: One cop tried to stop and help the 75 year old man bleeding out of his ears on the sidewalk and when he tried to help, his buddy stopped him and he listened and continued on his way.
Any person, actually intent on protecting and serving, that wasn't morally corrupt, would have helped the guy regardless of what their buddy says to do.
Only 2 cops were relieved of duty but all 57 remaining members of the task force resigned in solidarity for them and they were cheered outside of the court house.
For what? Assaulting an old man and then stepping over him as he bled out? If a task force has 60 members and 57 resign in solidarity for people who abuse the elderly then it's definitely more than a few bad apples.
The bad apples have ruined the entire bunch and it's time to put them in the trash and get some new apples in and maybe put some precautions in to keep them from rotting.
Watch the clip again. A lot of people missed this. If you pay attention, he walks up to two cops. A third walks up behind the other two. The first two push the old man and it's one of the guys that pushed the guy that tried to stop, and the third guy who stopped him from kneeling down. I can't speak with any certainty but it seemed like to me he was trying to deescalate, and then when something happened he made sure the dickhead stayed away from him. Cops do have some medical training he could very well be aware that the man should be left alone, the guy who knelt down also had something in his hand. Definitely could have been construed as further aggression
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
#26731561 - 06/09/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Fiery had a scary story about seeing cops while fishing. They almost asked for his fishing license. So it’s not like he doesn’t understand the cause.
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He was so traumatized he made a thread about it
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koods said: OP has admitted he’s friends with LEO. We would all feel safer if he was banned.l, if not for that then his degenerate shitposting.
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tyrannicalrex said: LOL
Think how traumatised OP would'a been if he'd cum across Koods and a 'beau' with their shorts around their ankles.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: deucedbi9]
#26731567 - 06/09/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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i got walk up on by some gay dudes while sunbathing in the meadow with a coyote the other day
sorry koods
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: cannabinated]
#26731572 - 06/09/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are you sorry?
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