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Help Initiating APE Pinning
#26731046 - 06/09/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys, how's it going? I let my APE tub fully colonize and then switched to fruiting conditions roughly a week and a half or so ago. (Maybe two? Memory is hazy) I've been misting as needed, and fanning 2 to 3 times a day. Am I just being too nervous/ impatient? I can't tell from my pics if I'm seeing hyphal knots/ primordia forming, or if it's just taking a little longer than usual? Do you guys/ gals think it's doing alright and see any incoming pins/ hyphal knots? Temps stay between 73 and 77, down to around 70-72 at night. 12 hours on/ off light cycle. Anything else I should do? Any help would be greatly appreciated; thank you all!





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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Britspanic]
#26731058 - 06/09/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That tub looks sick. Lots of interesting colors and incomplete colonization.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: badsponge]
#26731102 - 06/09/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah that's not pretty at all. I'd get working on your next attempt if you aren't already. You might get a couple from that but don't expect much.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Smartattack]
#26731135 - 06/09/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yar. Methinks the yeller is metabolites from bacteria and it looks like also possible blue mold?
If you really don’t wanna dump it, I’d get it out of your grow space at least.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Smartattack]
#26731143 - 06/09/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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For future reference too the PE varieties take longer to pin than most other cubes so 10 days is nothing. And you should always track your mush stuff in a book or computer thing. It’s best to be able to see the hard info instead of relying on the brain.
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Mine looks similar. I am getting a bunch of pins now. Also have the metabolites. Hoping it pulls through without aborting. Have a look at my post and see what you think.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: DonkDonk]
#26731183 - 06/09/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I checked out your post and sure enough, it looks exactly like mine! I've struggled searching to find something similar. What did you do to kinda help everything recover?
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: badsponge]
#26731192 - 06/09/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not too bad honestly. The underside, sides and all are colonized. Only one or two patches. What I'm confused on is if it's simply too dry possibly? I've been reading everywhere that it may just be dry metabolites? Been fanning 2 to 3 times and misting. The blue is from me misting too heavily by accident. I'm going to take it easy on misting for the time being. Do y'all think there is anything I can do besides that? Maybe an H2O2 spray? Would that damage the mycelium? Or maybe I could cut the yellow off with a sterile scalpel?
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Britspanic]
#26731205 - 06/09/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I also failed to mention, the smell is quite fine. When fanning, there is just a strong earthy/ mushy scent. My other tub is closed atm, and I will more than likely separate them and sanitize in between putting the other in fruiting conditions. It's so confusing. Everything colonized fine, great look/ smell, until a couple days ago. Sterilized room beforehand. I wonder if my substrate was too shallow?
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Britspanic]
#26731206 - 06/09/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26722728/fpart/1/vc/1
I cut out my green bit and it recovered pretty well so far. While metabolites are not ideal I don't think they are detrimental.
I haven't misted at all so I have pooling and a lot of condensation. I think I waited to long to go to fruiting conditions. Next time I don't think Ill put tin foil down for colonization.
No expert though! good luck
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Britspanic]
#26731455 - 06/09/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Britspanic said: Maybe an H2O2 spray? Would that damage the mycelium? Or maybe I could cut the yellow off with a sterile scalpel?
RR says H2O2 is useful ONLY for cobweb mold. Your tub just looks lost. Cutting anything out at his point is hopeless. If you can see any contam visibly, it's already spread much more than you can see. I've done it before when I first saw contams and was able to get a few fruits from the remaining sub. But if you cut anything, do it outside and wash your arms/hands after.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: badsponge]
#26731544 - 06/09/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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you shouldn't be needing to mist during the first flush if the substrate was prepped correctly. My first few shoeboxes looked the same because of how much I'd fucked with them. It wasn't until I'd left them alone that they started to recover.
What'd you do to induce fruiting conditions? What kind of substrate and prep?
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Ballzagna]
#26731587 - 06/09/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I think it’s fine but the myc is bruised and dying in some parts from being soaked and drying out over and over.
You shouldn’t really have to do anything to it, definitely not daily.
Ape takes forever, i bet you’ll see pins soon though there’s tons of knots. I’ve got a tub at the same stage as yours. It’s been a while since I ran PE I forget how long they take I’ve been expecting pins for days.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Ballzagna]
#26731838 - 06/09/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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To induce fruiting conditions, I flipped the lid once it was nearly fully colonized to allow FAE. Following Bod's Unmodified Tek for the most part. The substrate was pasteurized and set to field capacity. (Mixture of coco coir and some vermiculite) I only mist the top when surface conditions appear dry. (No tiny water beads). Maybe the lid is slightly too open making everything dry out too quickly? I noticed the sub pulling off the walls, which means some drying/ eating of nutrition is occurring. I also see tons of white pimples that appear to be primordia/ knots. Just wanna make sure I can keep it hydrated enough and fed enough for one to two good flushes. It isn't near anything else so I'm not worried. My other tub is closed atm, so no risk, and I'll sanitize everything with bleach, lysol, and alcohol before flipping lid on other. Should I take it easy on misting or fanning? Made sure to mist walls a little to help rehydrate. Maybe a good dunk would help? Definitely going to write everything down next time. Have one on 3rd flush, this one, and another colonizing, so it became hard to remember details without writing.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: A.k.a]
#26731843 - 06/09/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sweet, thanks for the input. Same goes to everyone above. I thought those were a bunch of knots I saw, so that makes me happy. Think I should perhaps mist more/ fan less? Or anything in particular to perhaps do? General humidity in the room it's in is 45-60% and in tub much higher. Try to fan 3 times a day, maybe too much since it's drying? Oh, and temp fluctuates between 75 and 77-78. Don't want it too high to help prevent contams. May lower it from 72-76.
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Re: Help Initiating APE Pinning [Re: Britspanic]
#26731878 - 06/09/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think i've ever fanned a tub. I always used 1.5" poly filled holes in my tubs and now i've been doing shoe boxes with the lids unsnapped and they get plenty of air.
I know it looks a little rough but what it might need most is to just sit without anything happening to it for a while. That's what i would personally try based on the info here. If it started getting even worse after a whole day or so i would mist.
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