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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regret it [Re: Fiery] 1
#26731746 - 06/09/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: There's a reason cops are armed. Mass shootings are happening all the time and who is going to stop that? A non violent solution? 
There is No non violent solution to law enforcement. They MUST be armed.
Personally, I believe that the reason the cops are armed is so that they can intimidate civilians and coerce them into doing things they otherwise wouldn't do. However, I'd like to focus on what you said about mass shootings, because I think it's a really important topic.
On the subject of mass shootings, I have three points:
~~~ ONE ~~~ When it comes to mass shootings, there are plenty of possible solutions that don't involve armed officers - all it takes is some imagination, even if it sounds silly at first. I can imagine lots of ways to prevent mass shootings that don't involve armed officers. If you give the thought some serious considerations, you can come up with some pretty practical solutions. Here's a basic example: I believe many of the mass shootings you're describing were committed by mentally unstable people who didn't have the support they needed - Elliot Rodger is a good example. If you look into his case, I think it's pretty safe to say that support from mental health professionals could have possibly de-escalated the situation before he even got his hands on a weapon. He was showing signs of serious mental distress for a long time before the crime occurred, and I believe he might not have committed the crime if he had been in a more supportive environment.
Am I saying that greater accessibility to mental healthcare professionals and normalization of mental health problems would be enough to prevent all mass shootings? Definitely not. What I am saying is that they might be enough to prevent some mass shootings, and that we don't need armed officers to improve the accessibility of mental health professionals.
~~~ TWO ~~~ Next, I'd simply like for you to consider the cause of mass shootings. Mass shootings are not an innate property of human life. They are not like natural disasters - they are not acts of god. There is a definite reason that more mass shootings occur in the U.S. than anywhere else on Earth (even if we don't fully understand what that reason is yet). I believe that, if we are going to prevent mass shootings, we need to get as close to the source of the issue as possible.
Isn't it at least possible that the root cause, whatever it is, for mass shootings could be resolved without violence (or the threat of violence)?
~~~ THREE ~~~ Finally, I'd like to point out that armed police officers are not very effective at preventing mass shootings. As with most crimes, the cops don't show up until it's too late. U.S. police officers are often armed to the teeth with some of the best weaponry in existence, but it doesn't work. Armed police officers weren't able to stop James Holmes from murdering 12 people and injuring 58 others with gunshot wounds in a theater in Aurora, Colorado. Armed police officers weren't able to stop Adam Lanza from murdering 28 and injuring 2 others at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Armed police officers weren't able to stop Elliot Rodger from murdering 6 people, injuring 14 more, and committing suicide - ironically, Elliot Rodger actually posted a video online of himself in his car, addressed to the police, prior to his crime where he basically warned everyone about what he was about to do.
Armed officers are able to neutralize the situation once there's already bloodshed, but simply being armed doesn't do anything to prevent the crime in the first place. We don't need armed officers to neutralize a situation if that situation can be prevented in the first place.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26731748 - 06/09/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Some police live in a lot nicer neighborhoods than they patrol.
For sure. I don't get Fiery's point about the South though. People tend to live in the same general region of the country they commute to for work.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi]
#26731751 - 06/09/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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..."racist, biased, and violent"... = a lot of the south.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#26731752 - 06/09/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's a lot of racism up north too unfortunately.
....it's quieter though .
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26731754 - 06/09/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for not saying all of the south.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: pirate-blues] 3
#26731767 - 06/09/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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its the moar sneaky 'knee on neck, hands in pocket' kinda racism where you can pretend it isnt racist
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26731769 - 06/09/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The kind of racism they call 'stop and frisk'.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26731784 - 06/09/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: That's blind discrimination.
Ohhhhhh shit, ladies and gentlemen!!
You mean there’s a chance the ones out there screaming racism are actually........... racist?
Holy fuck the irony. Now we’re starting to see where the cracks are..
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26731806 - 06/09/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holy shit cops aren’t a race. It’s a fucking job.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86] 3
#26731807 - 06/09/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean I really don't want to be involved with that cuz discrimination =/= racism but it is the same thought process.
You might be a good person but you're still a jew.
You might be a good person but you're still a police officer.
You might be a good person but you're still a black person.
You might be a good person but you're still a southern.
Difference is a history of power in those statements but the thought process in the brain is indeed the same.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
#26731808 - 06/09/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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there are a lot of confederate flags on the mason dixon line and I wonder how much slave capturing was going on up in PA
its only been a couple generations
you cant expect peoples ingrained PTSD followed by systemic marginalization and violence.... to be cleared up
reconstruction era and up through 60's really need to be focused on in school as well as all the labor battles in between
racism should be a public school course
emancipation??? could u imagine
all white ppl profited off ur torture and you gotta rough it out with no resources in a place u dont know with no family and just do the same thing with out getting whipped and everyone wants to kill u
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 1
#26731810 - 06/09/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Holy shit cops aren’t a race. It’s a fucking job.
But your blind hatred equates to the exact same action going on.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26731812 - 06/09/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. Not at all. I’ve alreay explained it, you just don’t care to understand.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 1
#26731816 - 06/09/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Holy shit cops aren’t a race. It’s a fucking job.
 thought it was more just a miscomprehension on the poster's part that different forms of discrimination exist outside of racism
someone can be not racist, call out racism, but still be sexist someone can be not racist nor sexist, call out both, but still be ableist
on the flipside, someone can be racist, sexist, and ableist and still be a cop
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
#26731817 - 06/09/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh is that it?
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#26731820 - 06/09/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I mean I really don't want to be involved with that cuz discrimination =/= racism but it is the same thought process.
You might be a good person but you're still a jew.
You might be a good person but you're still a police officer.
You might be a good person but you're still a black person.
You might be a good person but you're still a southern.
Difference is a history of power in those statements but the thought process in the brain is indeed the same.
wow not sure if we were on the same wavelength or riding it on separate surfaces
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26731827 - 06/09/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tantrika said:
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CookieCrumbs said: I mean I really don't want to be involved with that cuz discrimination =/= racism but it is the same thought process.
You might be a good person but you're still a jew.
You might be a good person but you're still a police officer.
You might be a good person but you're still a black person.
You might be a good person but you're still a southern.
Difference is a history of power in those statements but the thought process in the brain is indeed the same.
wow not sure if we were on the same wavelength or riding it on separate surfaces 
Only one of those things is a job that you can quit
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#26731830 - 06/09/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I mean I really don't want to be involved with that cuz discrimination =/= racism but it is the same thought process.
You might be a good person but you're still a jew.
You might be a good person but you're still a police officer.
You might be a good person but you're still a black person.
You might be a good person but you're still a southern.
Difference is a history of power in those statements but the thought process in the brain is indeed the same.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 2
#26731846 - 06/09/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said:
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Tantrika said:
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CookieCrumbs said: I mean I really don't want to be involved with that cuz discrimination =/= racism but it is the same thought process.
You might be a good person but you're still a jew.
You might be a good person but you're still a police officer.
You might be a good person but you're still a black person.
You might be a good person but you're still a southern.
Difference is a history of power in those statements but the thought process in the brain is indeed the same.
wow not sure if we were on the same wavelength or riding it on separate surfaces 
Only one of those things is a job that you can quit
I wish I could quit you

Police with training that empowers them to do more than just arrest or shoot people tho:



but someone from the UK or Estonia can freely chime in here and let me know that even in their countries, ACAB
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi]
#26731847 - 06/09/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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psi said:
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tyrannicalrex said: Some police live in a lot nicer neighborhoods than they patrol.
For sure. I don't get Fiery's point about the South though. People tend to live in the same general region of the country they commute to for work.
Yeah, that makes good sense but what I'm saying is that the non "police" in the south are much worse than the police in the south when it comes to racist, violent, angry, etc.
At least police officers have to have most of their teeth and pass a drug test. Have you ever hung around trailer parks in LA or GA or FLA even?
I'd shudder to think of those guys with a badge or authority to "police" their own communities. It'd be an all out war.
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