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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi]
#26732584 - 06/09/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: What that is going to lead to is a massive overdose of Americans on Fentanyl and Heroin and MEth and COcaine.. 100,000's will die .
That is already happening and the drug war has been completely ineffective in preventing it. And a huge component of accidental overdose is inconsistent dosage, a direct result of the drug war.
So you're saying Heroin and Meth and Cocaine and Fentanyl should be over the counter and regulated like Cannabis? 
Yep to the regulation. Not necessarily over the counter though.
How will that stop thousands of pounds of black market drugs crossing the border.
If anything legalizing it will increase criminal activity.
Just look at what happened in America when they Legalized weed in lots of states. The black market of weed SKYROCKETED>
Do you even read any scientific papers on the subject or are just speculating? You live in Canada right?
Not trying to attack you but seriously, legalizing or regulating heroin and cocaine and meth and shit will make it WORSE.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi]
#26732585 - 06/09/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Defund. It mean take away funding. It doesn’t mean abolish. When we defund schools we aren’t getting rid of them. They just aren’t receiving as much money.
Why can't you make an argument without being patronizing?
Even Minneapolis called it disbanding.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery]
#26732586 - 06/09/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don’t really, but Ive got a little place down there where I spend alternating summers.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Ovoidhunter]
#26732587 - 06/09/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: What the fuck are you talking about? 2 comments ago you said black people kill other black people all the time.
That is no excuse for cop killings seeing as cops should be held to a higher standard than every day gang bangers. Are you slow or something?
Many police killings are justifiable, you can agree with that, correct? You do realize gangbangers shoot at cops sometimes?
Truth is that only a very very small portion of police killings are justifiable.
The 6th amendment says nothing about your right to a trial being withheld from you if youre a violent criminal. Cops are not judge, jury, and executioner no matter how much you want them to be.
Thats kind of a wild thing to say nate, since police have to get into gun fights with criminals all the time because thats their job. When you are in a gunfight with someone or someone's coming at you with a knife someone is going to die and I prefer it be the perpetrator.
Except that cops kill more than just violent criminals.
I said there are very few examples of when a cop is justified in killing. If they are being shot at, then sure. Otherwise no.
Again I don't know what you want me to say. Every american citizen has a right to a trial regardless of their actions. Lots of mass shooters are currently in jail even though they are obviously violent criminals. Should the cops go into their cells and execute them before their trials? We have rights in this country sorry you dont like it.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery] 3
#26732604 - 06/09/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Not trying to attack you but seriously, legalizing or regulating heroin and cocaine and meth and shit will make it WORSE.
It would ensure that people at least have access to pure drugs of known potency, greatly reducing the risk of accidental overdose. If you are given super potent IV opioids in a medical setting, they don't come in a heterogeneous mixture of different powders (leading to the "hot spot" problem). They come in vials already in solution, at a known concentration.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery] 1
#26732607 - 06/09/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: How will that stop thousands of pounds of black market drugs crossing the border.
If anything legalizing it will increase criminal activity.
Just look at what happened in America when they Legalized weed in lots of states. The black market of weed SKYROCKETED>
Do you even read any scientific papers on the subject or are just speculating? You live in Canada right?
Not trying to attack you but seriously, legalizing or regulating heroin and cocaine and meth and shit will make it WORSE.
That’s a taxing and regulation issue I suspect. When you tax something so much that black market is cheaper obviously people are going to go with the cheaper alternative. Especially if it’s higher quality.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: sui]
#26732610 - 06/09/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well at least defunding would make it harder for them to settle out of court too avoid a proper jury trial. It is also unfortunate some of these family's forget about justice when millions are offered.
You just cannot throw money at a problem.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow]
#26732611 - 06/09/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I could cite numerous justified police killings more so than I can unjustified. Im not saying everyone doesnt have the right to a fair trial. Just saying that a criminal doesnt have the right to commit murder, natedawg.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi]
#26732617 - 06/09/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Not trying to attack you but seriously, legalizing or regulating heroin and cocaine and meth and shit will make it WORSE.
It would ensure that people at least have access to pure drugs of known potency, greatly reducing the risk of accidental overdose. If you are given super potent IV opioids in a medical setting, they don't come in a heterogeneous mixture of different powders (leading to the "hot spot" problem). They come in vials already in solution, at a known concentration.
One again, WRONG. Look at( once again) what happened when they legalized Weed in the USA.
Set potency, strict regulations, etc. And the BLACK MARKET BOOMED.
And weed is different, it's not a highly addictive, dangerous narcotic prone to overdosing and addiction like opiates are.
Imagine if heroin become regulated like that. THE BLACK MARKET WOULD BOOM( more than it already is)
I think you are disillusioned about the subject, it's just my opinion though.
Regulating legal use of heroin and cocaine and meth is a very , very , very bad idea.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Ovoidhunter]
#26732623 - 06/09/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Never said they do 
I said that cops are not judge, jury, and executioner not matter how much you want them to be. If you have an issue with people having guns and using them against others then maybe your issue is with guns and their potential to cause harm towards others.
I love how the 2A crowd is all like "we need cops to protect against violent thugs with guns!"
For the record I own guns and support the 2nd as much as I support the other 8.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery] 1
#26732625 - 06/09/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I feel like you are not understanding my point about known potency and the problem of hot spots in accidental overdoses, because weed is 100% irrelevant to this.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi] 3
#26732632 - 06/09/20 08:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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He doesn’t understand how weed is taxed and regulated..
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Ovoidhunter] 1
#26732634 - 06/09/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ovoidhunter said: I could cite numerous justified police killings more so than I can unjustified. Im not saying everyone doesnt have the right to a fair trial. Just saying that a criminal doesnt have the right to commit murder, natedawg.
Yeah well the legal standard the police unions have demanded is so low a cop is justified in killing someone if he’s worried he might break a fingernail
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86]
#26732640 - 06/09/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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psi said: I feel like you are not understanding my point about known potency and the problem of hot spots in accidental overdoses, because weed is 100% irrelevant to this.
I do understand , but I don't think regulating it will help. See comment below. Regulated heroin and coke and meth is a terrible idea because A) it would never happen and B) it would ALWAYS be more taxed and regulated than black market .
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I do actually. I've researched it a lot. And just like weed, if heroin is regulated, the BLACK MARKET WILL BOOM. Because it will be cheaper to get drugs on the street.

Seriously guys!?
What am I missing. Please explain it to me.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 2
#26732641 - 06/09/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Imagine if heroin become regulated like that. THE BLACK MARKET WOULD BOOM( more than it already is)
It’s all black market now. Jesus Christ you make stupid arguments
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods] 1
#26732643 - 06/09/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Not trying to attack you but seriously, legalizing or regulating heroin and cocaine and meth and shit will make it WORSE.
It would ensure that people at least have access to pure drugs of known potency, greatly reducing the risk of accidental overdose. If you are given super potent IV opioids in a medical setting, they don't come in a heterogeneous mixture of different powders (leading to the "hot spot" problem). They come in vials already in solution, at a known concentration.
One again, WRONG. Look at( once again) what happened when they legalized Weed in the USA.
Set potency, strict regulations, etc. And the BLACK MARKET BOOMED.
And weed is different, it's not a highly addictive, dangerous narcotic prone to overdosing and addiction like opiates are.
Imagine if heroin become regulated like that. THE BLACK MARKET WOULD BOOM( more than it already is)
I think you are disillusioned about the subject, it's just my opinion though.
Regulating legal use of heroin and cocaine and meth is a very , very , very bad idea.
Take 10 minutes. Look in to drug reform in Portugal
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#26732647 - 06/09/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe fiery is right. All the liquor stores here are operated by the county and we have an epidemic of moonshine dealers hanging out on every street corner.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#26732656 - 06/09/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Not trying to attack you but seriously, legalizing or regulating heroin and cocaine and meth and shit will make it WORSE.
It would ensure that people at least have access to pure drugs of known potency, greatly reducing the risk of accidental overdose. If you are given super potent IV opioids in a medical setting, they don't come in a heterogeneous mixture of different powders (leading to the "hot spot" problem). They come in vials already in solution, at a known concentration.
One again, WRONG. Look at( once again) what happened when they legalized Weed in the USA.
Set potency, strict regulations, etc. And the BLACK MARKET BOOMED.
And weed is different, it's not a highly addictive, dangerous narcotic prone to overdosing and addiction like opiates are.
Imagine if heroin become regulated like that. THE BLACK MARKET WOULD BOOM( more than it already is)
I think you are disillusioned about the subject, it's just my opinion though.
Regulating legal use of heroin and cocaine and meth is a very , very , very bad idea.
Take 10 minutes. Look in to drug reform in Portugal
His head is so far up his own ass the only thing he can look at is what he had for dinner last night
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
#26732691 - 06/09/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ovoidhunter said: I could cite numerous justified police killings more so than I can unjustified. Im not saying everyone doesnt have the right to a fair trial. Just saying that a criminal doesnt have the right to commit murder, natedawg.
Yeah well the legal standard the police unions have demanded is so low a cop is justified in killing someone if he’s worried he might break a fingernail
I agree with this. They do get away with alot of shit. I think being protected like that needs to change 100%.
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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: sui]
#26732692 - 06/09/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: There is No non violent solution to law enforcement. They MUST be armed.
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Fiery said: Yeah. People don't realize their entire lives they've been protected by the police, and are yelling childish things like "fuck the police" based upon about 100 or so cases of "bad apples"
The ignorance of people wanting to disband the police astounds me.
It does not mean abolish the police fiery.
He's been told that .... MANY times yet still can't wrap his feeble little mind around this fact.
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