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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: qman]
    #26732525 - 06/09/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
What the fuck are you talking about? 2 comments ago you said black people kill
other black people all the time.

That is no excuse for cop killings seeing as cops should be held to a higher standard
than every day gang bangers. Are you slow or something?




Many police killings are justifiable, you can agree with that, correct?  You do realize gangbangers shoot at cops sometimes?




Sure. If you fire at cops that’s fine but in a country where you have a constitutional right to be armed it is simply unacceptable for the police to shoot you simply because you are armed.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery] * 2
    #26732531 - 06/09/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fiery said:
What that is going to lead to is a massive overdose of Americans on Fentanyl and Heroin and MEth and COcaine.. 100,000's will die .




That is already happening and the drug war has been completely ineffective in preventing it. And a huge component of accidental overdose is inconsistent dosage, a direct result of the drug war.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26732535 - 06/09/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Mexico would be another good example of how places run when there’s no real policing.  How are they doing?



Mexico is full of cops. Mexico is actually a great example of what happens when
you allow a corrupt police force to go on with 0 checks or oversight.



You’re not getting what I’m saying.  Once we eradicate the police we have now, do you have neighborhood factions?  Who do you have?  It’s just a blur where the bad guys are the cops.  There is no just/corrupt it’s all just randos..

Nobody is standing up in Mexico and if they do they die.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86]
    #26732537 - 06/09/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Eradicate the police?

How are you using Mexico as an example of a place where there are no police? Mexico has 450 cops per 100,000 people. The US has 300.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
    #26732542 - 06/09/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Are we not talking about the abolish the police movement?


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26732543 - 06/09/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
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natedawgnow said:
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Amanita86 said:
Mexico would be another good example of how places run when there’s no real policing.  How are they doing?



Mexico is full of cops. Mexico is actually a great example of what happens when
you allow a corrupt police force to go on with 0 checks or oversight.



You’re not getting what I’m saying.  Once we eradicate the police we have now, do you have neighborhood factions?  Who do you have?  It’s just a blur where the bad guys are the cops.  There is no just/corrupt it’s all just randos..

Nobody is standing up in Mexico and if they do they die.





no one is talking about eradicating police, no one is talking about haveing no police, just less police, more focus on what they do, more oversight, more options.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26732551 - 06/09/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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natedawgnow said:
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qman said:
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natedawgnow said:
What the fuck are you talking about? 2 comments ago you said black people kill
other black people all the time.

That is no excuse for cop killings seeing as cops should be held to a higher standard
than every day gang bangers. Are you slow or something?




Many police killings are justifiable, you can agree with that, correct?  You do realize gangbangers shoot at cops sometimes?



Truth is that only a very very small portion of police killings are justifiable.

The 6th amendment says nothing about your right to a trial being withheld from
you if youre a violent criminal. Cops are not judge,  jury, and executioner
no matter how much you want them to be.





Thats kind of a wild thing to say nate, since police have to get into gun fights with criminals all the time because thats their job. When you are in a gunfight with someone or someone's coming at you with a knife someone is going to die and I prefer it be the perpetrator.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86]
    #26732556 - 06/09/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Are we not talking about the abolish the police movement?




You were talking about Mexico


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26732557 - 06/09/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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In Mexico some of the cops carry fully gold or chrome plated big ass guns.  We do guns with style.
:cookiemonster:





I didn't know you lived in Mexico:themoreyouknow:


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: sui] * 1
    #26732558 - 06/09/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Then stop calling it abolishing or disbanding or any other word that clearly suggests entirely getting rid of it.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26732564 - 06/09/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

BURN IT ALL DOWN


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: psi]
    #26732566 - 06/09/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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psi said:
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Fiery said:
What that is going to lead to is a massive overdose of Americans on Fentanyl and Heroin and MEth and COcaine.. 100,000's will die .




That is already happening and the drug war has been completely ineffective in preventing it. And a huge component of accidental overdose is inconsistent dosage, a direct result of the drug war.





So you're saying Heroin and Meth and Cocaine and Fentanyl should be over the counter and regulated like Cannabis? :facepalm:



The drug war IS doing more than if there was not one. Do you know how many millions of pounds of narcotics have been seized trying to cross the border?


Imagine the deaths now, times 50 if the illegal narcotics were allowed to flood the countries.

Your argument makes no sense.


It's not working AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD< but it damn well is working better than none.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26732570 - 06/09/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Defund. It mean take away funding. It doesn’t mean abolish. When we defund schools we aren’t getting rid of them. They just aren’t receiving as much money.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery]
    #26732571 - 06/09/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

the drug war made fentanyl and killed my friends :cookiemonster:


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: koods]
    #26732572 - 06/09/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
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Amanita86 said:
Are we not talking about the abolish the police movement?




You were talking about Mexico



I’m not playing your loop around games bro..


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery]
    #26732574 - 06/09/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fiery said:
Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

Fiery said:
What that is going to lead to is a massive overdose of Americans on Fentanyl and Heroin and MEth and COcaine.. 100,000's will die .




That is already happening and the drug war has been completely ineffective in preventing it. And a huge component of accidental overdose is inconsistent dosage, a direct result of the drug war.





So you're saying Heroin and Meth and Cocaine and Fentanyl should be over the counter and regulated like Cannabis? :facepalm:



The drug war IS doing more than if there was not one. Do you know how many millions of pounds of narcotics have been seized trying to cross the border?


Imagine the deaths now, times 50 if the illegal narcotics were allowed to flood the countries.

Your argument makes no sense.


It's not working AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD< but it damn well is working better than none.




How do you know? We never tried NONE.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Amanita86]
    #26732573 - 06/09/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Amanita86 said:
Quote:

natedawgnow said:
Quote:

Amanita86 said:
Mexico would be another good example of how places run when there’s no real policing.  How are they doing?



Mexico is full of cops. Mexico is actually a great example of what happens when
you allow a corrupt police force to go on with 0 checks or oversight.



You’re not getting what I’m saying.  Once we eradicate the police we have now, do you have neighborhood factions?  Who do you have?  It’s just a blur where the bad guys are the cops.  There is no just/corrupt it’s all just randos..

Nobody is standing up in Mexico and if they do they die.



Defund the police does not mean to get rid of them entirely. It means to stop
allocating large sums of money to police to supply them with military surplus,
etc.

Instead of giving them more money and power, that money can be reinvested into
the community the police are supposed to be serving. If we fund mental health
and education more, then we need a militarized police force less.

Fire all current officers, set up strict prerequisites for future applicants,
maybe even have a system by which police have terms, lets say 2 years, and after
each term is up the cop has to reapply for the job.

Maybe have a separate entity of elected officials with short term limits meant
to police the police. Short term limits can help keep them from being corrupted.

There are lots of ways to fix this issue.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery] * 1
    #26732575 - 06/09/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fiery said:
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psi said:
Quote:

Fiery said:
What that is going to lead to is a massive overdose of Americans on Fentanyl and Heroin and MEth and COcaine.. 100,000's will die .




That is already happening and the drug war has been completely ineffective in preventing it. And a huge component of accidental overdose is inconsistent dosage, a direct result of the drug war.





So you're saying Heroin and Meth and Cocaine and Fentanyl should be over the counter and regulated like Cannabis? :facepalm:



Yep to the regulation. Not necessarily over the counter though.


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26732580 - 06/09/20 08:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I keep hearing words like “abolish” and “disband” and randos patrolling by neighborhood.  There’s places recommending a lot more than just defunding.  That’s what I thought we were talking about.  Maybe I walked in halfway through the discussion..:shrug:


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Re: All the people crying to "Disband the police force" And "defund the police" are really going to regre... [Re: Fiery] * 2
    #26732581 - 06/09/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)


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larry.fisherman said:
If I wanted to kill myself with heroin I'd say I'm entitled to do that.

there's literally extensive proof that the entire ideology you're defending is a racist political maneuver used by the government for control and money.





BUllshit.... If you want to kill yourself with heroin fine, but what you're forgetting is the COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

Do you know how much money one overdose death costs? just in final processing fees? I don't but it adds up quick.


And what about your friends and family.

You have a right to kill yourself, fine, but don't for ONE SECOND forget the collateral damage ,

and if you're serious you are a selfish prick.



Ah, so paying to put my ass in jail for 10 years makes more sense.  Do you understand what a hypothetical is? You ignored everything I said just so you can say it costs money and I'm a bad person. You know what else costs money, money that often doesn't even go to the intended destination but gets pinched as much as possible so that it lines someone's pockets? The prison system. :cookiemonster:


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