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defund the police. * 3
    #26729541 - 06/08/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

please take a few minutes and watch this in its entirety. it is powerful



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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine] * 8
    #26729561 - 06/08/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Defunding the police is a stupid idea. It doesn't change anything. It just makes the state police take over, and they're not going to do anything any different or better than local police were before. It's totally pointless, and I highly suspect that some people are selling that for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the protests. I think some people are trying to co-opt the protests to sell this pointless idea.

Defunding the police accomplishes nothing, it changes nothing, it will not make policing better nor will it reduce police misconduct or violence.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #26729565 - 06/08/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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nooneman said:
Defunding the police is a stupid idea. It doesn't change anything. It just makes the state police take over, and they're not going to do anything any different or better than local police were before. It's totally pointless, and I highly suspect that some people are selling that for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the protests. I think some people are trying to co-opt the protests to sell this pointless idea.

Defunding the police accomplishes nothing, it changes nothing, it will not make policing better nor will it reduce police misconduct or violence.



Agreed.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26729572 - 06/08/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

please watch the video.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: nooneman]
    #26729595 - 06/08/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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nooneman said:
Defunding the police is a stupid idea. It doesn't change anything. It just makes the state police take over, and they're not going to do anything any different or better than local police were before. It's totally pointless, and I highly suspect that some people are selling that for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the protests. I think some people are trying to co-opt the protests to sell this pointless idea.

Defunding the police accomplishes nothing, it changes nothing, it will not make policing better nor will it reduce police misconduct or violence.




well we will get a chance to see if minneapolis does it.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26729598 - 06/08/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah defunding the police won't solve racism it's stupid the police chief in flint michigan that put down his riot gear to march with protectors shoe until now alot of good cops were standing up. Now we are threatening good cops and bad cops. Imagine what kind of 911 wait time you're going to have, how much violence will increase. Rapes and murders still happen enough that it seems like common so not to slash budgets in half in some kind of desperation effort to change the system but not knowing how.

I just don't agree with dedunsing the police right now to solve police violence


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Re: defund the police. [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26729616 - 06/08/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

they need more funding, to be spent on training


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Re: defund the police. [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
    #26729617 - 06/08/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i dont have all the facts or statistics, but the main focus is to reallocate the money into better, more efficient services. of course it will not fix things overnight, but im willing to bet that we can help more people instead of putting them in jail.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26729632 - 06/08/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i dare you all to watch the video. i am not challenging anyone's opinions, but rather i wish to acknowledge that things can be done differently.

of course this is a difficult topic and there are many persuading points of view for or against defunding the police and it is important to address them all. it is equally important to address the common issues police officers face on the job daily.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26729638 - 06/08/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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they need more funding, to be spent on training




not sure if the strike through the comma is visible
but less funding into militarization of equipment
and more of that existing funding into training


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26729646 - 06/08/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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split_by_nine said:
i dare you all to watch the video. i am not challenging anyone's opinions, but rather i wish to acknowledge that things can be done differently.

of course this is a difficult topic and there are many persuading points of view for or against defunding the police and it is important to address them all. it is equally important to address the common issues police officers face on the job daily.




I watched it.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: sui] * 3
    #26729652 - 06/08/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'd rather they uhh.. just use the funds to actually help people instead of getting ready to fight them.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26729670 - 06/08/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd rather they uhh.. just use the funds to actually help people instead of getting ready to fight them.




i agree. but most police officers are just average people. the money could be better used to pay professionals to organize community wellness programs, especially in impoverished communities where they need it the most.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26729674 - 06/08/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
I'd rather they uhh.. just use the funds to actually help people instead of getting ready to fight them.




i agree. but most police officers are just average people. the money could be better used to pay professionals to organize community wellness programs, especially in impoverished communities where they need it the most.




but if the police are not trained in a way that can meaningfully get people into those programs rather than killing them
then the most at-risk members of those impoverished communities may not make it in to the services


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Re: defund the police. [Re: Tantrika]
    #26729698 - 06/08/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

do you think its true that many police officers take the job because they want to arrest people or do you think they take the job because they want to help people?


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26729710 - 06/08/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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do you think its true that many police officers take the job because they want to arrest people or do you think they take the job because they want to help people?




do not think any take the job because they want to arrest people
the ones that take the job because they want to kill people and get away with it accept having to deal with arrests
the ones that take the job because they want to help people and make a positive change in their community accept having to deal with arrests

better training would help weed out the bad ones and enable the good ones to resist falling into complacent acceptance of the bad ones


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26729711 - 06/08/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i wish it were black and white and we could come up with simple solutions to complex problems.. but that is simply not the case. its obvious that the old way of policing is not exactly protecting everyone and some things need to change. im not advocating for anarchy. i want to live in a civil, peaceful community. yes i know there are criminals and bad people out there, but they too need help. they too need guidance and direction. putting people in jail is not the be-all, end-all solution.

for starters, the war on drugs needs to end yesterday.


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Re: defund the police. [Re: Tantrika]
    #26729718 - 06/08/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

split_by_nine said:
do you think its true that many police officers take the job because they want to arrest people or do you think they take the job because they want to help people?




do not think any take the job because they want to arrest people
the ones that take the job because they want to kill people and get away with it accept having to deal with arrests
the ones that take the jobe because they want to help people and make a positive change in their community accept having to deal with arrests

better training would help weed out the bad ones and enable the good ones to resist falling into complacent acceptance of the bad ones





yes better training is a great idea. but maybe we need to create organizations that focus on helping people without the threat of arrest or violence


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine]
    #26729722 - 06/08/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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split_by_nine said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

split_by_nine said:
do you think its true that many police officers take the job because they want to arrest people or do you think they take the job because they want to help people?




do not think any take the job because they want to arrest people
the ones that take the job because they want to kill people and get away with it accept having to deal with arrests
the ones that take the jobe because they want to help people and make a positive change in their community accept having to deal with arrests

better training would help weed out the bad ones and enable the good ones to resist falling into complacent acceptance of the bad ones





yes better training is a great idea. but maybe we need to create organizations that focus on helping people without the threat of arrest or violence




yeah, and to be clear am in agreement with that
my "but" with regards to the police was simply that with those services in place
the police also need to be empowered to deal with things in non-violent manners and to be educated enough to help people access those services
the police get called to a lot of cases where arrest and jail are not at all suited to dealing with what is going on
but it is the only set of marginal skills they have been provided


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Re: defund the police. [Re: split_by_nine] * 4
    #26729727 - 06/08/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

One thing that would solve a lot of issue is if cops didn’t go fucking bananas over drugs that aren’t a problem.  I bet at least 50%, if not more, of what they do involves only drugs.  Make their fuckin job as obsolete as possible..:shrug:


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