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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: cannabinated]
#26737050 - 06/11/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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cannabinated said: i wonder what hes being extorted for 
if anyone is being extorted it is the U.S. taxpayer
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737056 - 06/11/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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and the ukranian prime minister
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: cannabinated]
#26737059 - 06/11/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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which one affects you more?
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737061 - 06/11/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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ukranian prime minister
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: cannabinated]
#26737066 - 06/11/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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i walked into that one
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine] 1
#26737585 - 06/11/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Iām sure many of you have lived in some pretty crappy areas but for those who havenāt, I can see why dismantling the police might not seem that bad to you. When real criminals are getting in a shootout while youāre on your way to school, you realize that there are some terrible things going on in the world. And if there were no cops, and a majority of the population wasnāt armed, our communities would be run by the cartels.
Split, you commented on LoadedShamanās posts thinking heās defending racism or that he has a gun fetish (and I believe youāre incorrect in your assessment of him).
Heās not saying racism is morally acceptable. But he is stating the fact that in the USA, freedom of speech gives you a right to be an asshole. There are certain things that the freedom of speech does not allow, such as inciting violence (Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969)) (which oddly enough people are doing). Is it morally right? Is it perfect? Probably not. But itās a slippery slope to go down when you start to censor speech. Who will decide? Easy, whoever holds power. And I donāt want tyrannical extremist political organizations to think that they can regulate speech to further their agenda.
And that brings me to the gun point. I donāt own a gun, never have. But LoadedShaman is right. If we remove the police, and the citizenry isnāt armed, how can we expect to maintain any order? The neighborhood I grew up in would be run by some real evil people in that situation (it basically already is, but it can always get worse).
These are compromises we make. Everyone gets a voice. Some will say dumb shit. Others will say hateful crap. We must put up with it because the alternative is tyranny.
Now to comment on the topic at hand:
Iāve had my fair share of police encounters. Iāve been pulled over a lot when I was younger because I drove a beater and it looked like a ādrug dealerā car. Never got a ticket, not even a warning of anything or an explanation. Just told to go home. Pissed me off. But Iāve also had great interactions with Police. I was swerving once because I was super tired (it was late at night, roads empty). Got pulled over, the police officer asked if I was ok, was I drinking etc because he saw me swerving. He realized I was stone cold sober and said āletās get you homeā. Followed me to my house to make sure I was ok then waved goodbye.
There are good, compassionate human beings in the police force. I do believe that they are overshadowed by a broken system and I believe it needs major reform. I had a friend who became a cop and he went from great guy to super toxic. The stories he told were appalling. The culture in police today is disgusting and that needs to change. But to remove it entirely and replace it with āunarmed community peace ambassadorsā is ludicrous (in my opinion).
I just feel like extremism is increasing and people are dividing ever further from each other with insane ideas that feel like theyāre coming from emotion rather than sound logic.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26737676 - 06/11/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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And that brings me to the gun point. I donāt own a gun, never have. But LoadedShaman is right. If we remove the police, and the citizenry isnāt armed, how can we expect to maintain any order? The neighborhood I grew up in would be run by some real evil people in that situation (it basically already is, but it can always get worse).
you say your childhood neighborhood is run by evil people right now, so the fact there are police ready in that area does little to prevent these evil people from running things. sounds like the current police enforcement is not working.
how do we expect to maintain order without guns? the simple answer is peace. but i will get chewed out for saying that because others think guns are a necessary evil. well i dont think so and im going to live my life being peaceful to others. i will never own a gun.
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These are compromises we make. Everyone gets a voice. Some will say dumb shit. Others will say hateful crap. We must put up with it because the alternative is tyranny
this is comparable to decent cops being complicit with the atrocities committed by evil cops. because they are protected under the law so then the good cops do nothing? fuck racism. i dont care if youre exercising your 1st amendment right, hate speech is wrong and should not be tolerated.
mos ridiculous laws in every state
we have some pretty stupid laws already in place. tell me how tyrannical is it to make hate speech illegal
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine] 3
#26737710 - 06/11/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, peace you say. Donāt know why nobody ever thought to try that.....itās genius..
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Amanita86]
#26737719 - 06/11/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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dismissing it is part of the problem, not the solution.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine] 2
#26737745 - 06/11/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was 14 at one time too, I get what youāre saying..
Youāre coming up with solutions that are in line with this fantasy world youāve cooked up in your head. The ideal world. Unfortunately we donāt live in that world, not on this earth. You need solutions that are in line with this world. They have to be based in this reality.... not what you want, what is..
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Amanita86]
#26737769 - 06/11/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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perpetuating the evil is the "real world" and im a child for thinking civility is not out of the question.
bad people are made, they are not born that way. you can learn how to be decent to people just as easily as you have already learned to be an asshole to people. frankly, it doesnt really matter to me because my time on earth is temporary. i only hope that a better world exists for those yet to be born.
but go ahead and keep living in the "real world" where violence and hate are ever present. im fine living in my imaginary world where peace is happening
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine] 1
#26737772 - 06/11/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, the police in the area were subpar but they kept it from being complete chaos. Hence why I think reform is needed (but not complete removal).
The problem with āpeaceā is that guns already exist. I too would love peace. I too would love a world without guns. But how can you have peace if you remove guns from all the peaceful people while the evil doers refuse to give theirs up? The Pandoraās box was opened and now we need to live with the consequences.
āHate speech is wrong and should not be toleratedā.
I agree that itās wrong. I think that we need to educate our youth and people in general to strive to a better moral standard. But who decides when something is made illegal, as you suggest to make hate speech illegal? Is it the majority? The minority? The one who shouts the loudest? Or do we defer those decisions to our governing bodies? Do we involve statistics in making these decisions?
And where do we stop? I was bullied when I was young. Should those people have been prosecuted because they were incredibly hateful towards me? Or is it only valid if the bullying was centered around my skin color? What about when I was called a ācrackerā? Is that ok because Iām white?
(Now donāt take this the wrong way or that Iām trying to put to the forefront some white suffering Iāve experienced. I was bullied for many things, done being my skin color since I grew up in a place where whites were a minority. But in my life I still have seen far more injustice towards all people of color so I know it is far more prevalent for them to experience it. And I absolutely agree itās wrong and we need to work in our society).
And then what are the punishments? How do we then rehabilitate those who are intolerant?
Now let me point out, the freedom of speech thing is separate from the police issue. We need a complete reform of our system from education to higher standards for applicants.
I understand we may stand on different sides when it comes to addressing a problems we both believe exist. Iām genuinely interested in this conversation and think that opposing viewpoints are necessary. My questions are genuine and Iām interested in what a system would look like if these things were to come to fruition.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine] 1
#26737775 - 06/11/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, your imaginary world shouldnāt dictate whether or not I have guns or police around in my real world...
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Amanita86]
#26737784 - 06/11/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Cop tasers special needs man"
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Amanita86]
#26737804 - 06/11/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Well, your imaginary world shouldnāt dictate whether or not I have guns or police around in my real world...
im not afraid for my life. i feel sorry that you are afraid for yours.
and before you say "well what if someone pulls a gun on you??!! and you need one for self-defense.. or need to call the cops??!!". to that i say, go ahead and shoot me because life on earth is fucked.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: qman]
#26737806 - 06/11/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes, there are bad cops, you make a point. But they still need to be around.. The magic bullet is to not have bad cops.
Should I find a video of all the good police interactions to compare to your one bad video so we can get some balance? See what Iām suggesting here?
Pro tip: Use logic, not emotion..
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737811 - 06/11/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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split_by_nine said:
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Amanita86 said: Well, your imaginary world shouldnāt dictate whether or not I have guns or police around in my real world...
im not afraid for my life. i feel sorry that you are afraid for yours.
and before you say "well what if someone pulls a gun on you??!! and you need one for self-defense.. or need to call the cops??!!". to that i say, go ahead and shoot me because life on earth is fucked.
You are not the calibration point for how everyone on this earth feels. Thatās what you need to learn..
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Amanita86]
#26737818 - 06/11/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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good. i couldnt handle that kind of pressure. im content with living my life peacefully and never owning a gun.
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: split_by_nine]
#26737822 - 06/11/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have at it, I wish you the best in life...
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Re: defund the police. or Decommission them. [Re: Amanita86]
#26737847 - 06/11/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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same to you
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