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I have been popping the lids loose with the heat, they grow faster... but "fae" is more "pae" around here as it's passive... I dont actively change the air(no fanning, no misting: set and forget...) I like to dub tub them once the pinset is in and taking off: no modifications, correct... anything much larger would likely struggle having even surface conditions without some modification... it would be even more finicky about moisture if I had to imagine...
These tubs are finicky about moisture content, mostly bc of limited air exchange in the center when the humidity is to high.. You may end up with fairy rings, or uneven pinsets...
I shake the lids dry if they're drippy, pour puddles off if they appear... it's nothing fancy or intuitive... if you have way too much moisture dial back initial content to compensate
Spawn measurements are typically always hydrated grain unless specified, and thatd be in a grain prep tek I'd say...
Spawn ratio is not a science: anywhere from 1:1-1:10 is used in commercial farming... though I wouldnt go less than 1:2.5 with cubensis... faster colonization and less issue with competitor molds
1:1 means 1x to 1x... x could be a qt, or a fucking swimming pool... basically half and half of whatever quantity you use... I use 3qt with one 650g brick of coir... my quart measurements are full qts bc I use bags not jars... so if you're using jars that are 3/4 full, 4 mycoquarts is the same as 3 full quarts... if they're only 2/3 full, go with 5: or 6,7,8, 4! You're thnkn too hard: the shit just grows in nature, no measurements at all
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26728934 - 06/08/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yep, I've found them to be very finicky. I eventually dialed back my initial water to 1L per 650g brick. And even then, a few days later the sub would be in a pool of water. But the tub I spawned at the same time and on the same shelf would be too dry.
My most recent experiment was to add 1.5L water and 1.5L verm to try to control moisture. They stayed stable a few days longer, but now they're getting waterlogged.
I've had decent success with this tek over the last 6 months, but only with daily attention to moisture. I need to figure out how to make it set-and-forget in my environment.
My next experiment is to try a few 1/4" holes above the sub line, and a couple in the lid filled with polyfill.
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: badsponge]
#26728956 - 06/08/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been doing 2qts to a brick, some do well, some sweat profusely... if you monitor and adjust accordingly it's not that huge a hindrance... some varieties push more water out it seems... I'd rather go in dry and hydrate with a bottom water mid flush, than be too wet and end up with limited fruiting first flush
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26789851 - 06/28/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: OH HELL YES DUDE!
Is this MS or a clone culture? Had you followed the series from start? If not, what's your process? (Agar(or no), grain of choice, spawn ratio, etc) what sub mix and how much water? Stellar bruh
I just noticed that I never replied to this lol (link to the post). Took at 6 month break from the forums. Better late than never right?
It was MS. Spore print --> LME agar --> several transfers (always tomentose, I've never seen rhizo growth...) --> 5 jars WBS
Coir: I tried your recipe but it seemed really dry, so I diverged and did 650 g coir + 3 quarts water:
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I said: Has anyone tried this yet?
I have one SOS tub going that I spawned 7 days ago. I tried Caps' super dry coir (1 brick coir + 2 quarts water) but it was so dry that there were chunks of coir that wouldn't hydrate no matter how much I mixed it (although I didn't mix it until 24 hours after adding boiling water). So I decided to just add water until I reached field capacity (3 quarts water total). Mixed 6 quarts of that coir with 4 myco-quarts fully colonized WBS. Then sprinkled 2 quarts of the coir on top as a psuedo-casing layer. Snapped the lid on and it's been like that for the last 7 days.

I'm getting a ton of condensation on the sides that is dripping down and pooling along the edges. You can really see it on the left edge of the tub on the second picture.
Turned out alright! Thanks Caps
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: replyom]
#26790008 - 06/28/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome, thx for the update
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26790577 - 06/28/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26790618 - 06/28/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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These would be rad for some exotics -- ever try mex or semps?
Also, re: condensation issues, have you guys with lots of drops on the lid tried just keeping the area cooler? Condensation won't happen as badly if there's less heat. Just a thought-- might help keep the water in the sub a little better...
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: coAsTal]
#26790645 - 06/28/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've dialed initial hydration down to 2qt/brick and they perform pretty consistently well: running some modification tests with ΒΌ" holes and dubbing from spawn
Also, it's not the heat that causes condensation, but rather temp swings from day to night... if its constant high temps, condensation wont occur either
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: coAsTal]
#26799318 - 07/02/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My latest tubs with this tek 
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: badsponge]
#26799363 - 07/02/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice, how much spawn?
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: badsponge]
#26799394 - 07/02/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks beautiful!
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: dirtiefur]
#26799654 - 07/02/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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First bag first S.O.S. π€
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Might as well throw this up.
Amazonian that came out tiny. Only 3 quarts spawn though and first flush was 900 so not bad.

Harvested a bunch the night before and forgot to take a picture of the whole flush.
And this is four quarts of ms toc that I harvested over a couple days.

Third flush now is putting off shrooms twice as big as Iβve ever had from toc before. Couple will prob be a foot long.
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: A.k.a]
#26807566 - 07/06/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Nice, how much spawn?
I put 2L millet, 1L water in a bag, PC it. Not sure what the volume is wet. Sometimes I have problems with dry spots though, so I'm going to try Pasty's flash prep method next time.
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: badsponge]
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26854494 - 07/30/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: I've dialed initial hydration down to 2qt/brick and they perform pretty consistently well: running some modification tests with ΒΌ" holes and
Any news on this front?
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: replyom]
#26858941 - 08/02/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Still Running tests, so far it seems they require more maintenance, but do fruit more consistently across the entire surface as hypothesized... I'm currently running the 3rd variety in the same setup: 2 1/4" holes along the long sides on 3rds, both top and bottom tubs: I've started popping the lids loose at full colonization and dubbing with the development of pinset
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: Caps McGee]
#26859434 - 08/02/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Still Running tests, so far it seems they require more maintenance, but do fruit more consistently across the entire surface as hypothesized... I'm currently running the 3rd variety in the same setup: 2 1/4" holes along the long sides on 3rds, both top and bottom tubs: I've started popping the lids loose at full colonization and dubbing with the development of pinset
Sweet looking forward to hearing your conclusions... more maintenance how? And do you use micropore tape or anything with those holes?
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Re: Caps' SOS's (Shoebox On Steroids) [Re: replyom]
#26860300 - 08/03/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean needing to be misted... unmodified and properly hydrated tubs require no maintenance IME... I do micropore the holes until the fruit are about half mature, at which point I open them all up... I'd like to increase initial hydration to see if I can compensate for the added moisture loss associated with increased passive air exchange/resulting evaporation
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