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What do mushrooms do to benefit you? * 1
    #26728776 - 06/08/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well, the subject of the thread really puts it best. I've found that there's no straightforward answer to this question, which is a part of what's so fascinating about psychedelics. Mushrooms are often praised as a medicine, but it's not like most of the medicine you could pick up at a pharmacy. For example, if you get prescribed penicillin as a medicine (which, incidentally, also comes from a mushroom), you pretty much know how a person's body is going to respond to that (save for allergies). However, psilocybin isn't like that at all. The effect that psilocybin has on the body is much more personal and much more reflective of the user's environment and state of mind.

For me, the benefits of mushrooms depend on dosage and intent. At lower dosages (like microdosing all the way up to around 1.7 grams dried), I feel more energetic, inspired, and I find myself thinking outside the box. This can be useful if I need something to cheer me up or if I just want to look at things in a new way. At higher dosages (2.5 grams dried and higher), mushrooms start to become more of an ordeal, almost (though, not in a bad way). At 3.5 dried grams, things become less focused on myself and my own experiences. It can feel like my consciousness is a drop of water, and at 3.5 dried grams, that drop of water falls into the ocean and then there's just ocean for a few hours. This can often be a scary experience - it's pretty intense to just let go of your sense of self like that. However, I find that the medicinal aspect of it really begins once I come back down to reality. Surviving an experience like that makes everyday life feel like a blessing, and returning to normal consciousness feels like a breath of fresh air. Later on, once I've been sober for a while and have taken time to reflect on the experience, there's even more healing.

What about you guys? What do mushrooms do to benefit you?


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #26728890 - 06/08/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Two reasons to be honest.

I was first drawn to psychedelics by curiosity, and the first time I reached the headspace, I realised that was what I’d been searching for my whole life. I was 20 years old.

And that is what draws me back every time. It’s like a feeling of returning home, somehow, some when.

Last 4 years I’ve returned to psychedelics to self treat 40 years worth of depression. It has been a hard slog; the first 5 months were tough because the SSRIs remaining in my brain after complete abstention stopped any sort of full trip. But I kept on persevering and persevering. I decided I was depression free about 6 months ago. I’m not cured by any stretch, but life is actually worthwhile again. But to be brutally honest, it wasn’t the depression that kept me persevering; it was the search for the headspace.

Don’t know if I’m a shaman or something, born into a westerners body, because since that first trip 35 years ago,  I have never stopped thinking about psychedelics!

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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26728984 - 06/08/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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And that is what draws me back every time. It’s like a feeling of returning home, somehow, some when.





This.

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since that first trip 35 years ago,  I have never stopped thinking about psychedelics!





And this.

After my first trip, I was so blown away but my ego was smug and I proclaimed "I don't need to do this again" (referring to taking mushrooms). And yet, I couldn't stop thinking about it. What I had seen and felt. It was so alien and yet, so familiar.

Fast forward a year after the trip, I was talking to someone about my mushroom experience and they knew someone who had. My mind thought "OMG finally!". So I bought some but it was crap, I didn't feel anything and there was something off about them (they were cubes but now, knowing what I know, I suspect they were improperly dried).

Yet something kept gnawing at me. I finally put my ego aside and realized that the mushrooms were calling to me. It was weird, because I'm an atheist and I've never had a feeling of something immaterial, greater than myself, calling me to a mission. But I could not shake their call, the feeling that the mushroom was some sort of transcendental being, communicating with me. So I found this website and the rest is history :cool:

Mushrooms bring me closer to those around me.

Mushrooms make me face my fear.

Mushrooms give me a new perspective.

Mushrooms allow me moments of profound catharsis.

Mushrooms (not just consuming but the act of cultivating) make me feel whole again.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed] * 2
    #26729019 - 06/08/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Omg. I had a similar feeling of homecoming.

Now, I use psilocybin as an escape. I'll elaborate in a sec. 

  I had taken 4g and I was in the bathroom pooping when I got the idea that I should take more. I went into my kitchen and grabbed a handful out of my jar. I had no idea how much but the next day I weighed them out and I had eaten just over 4g.  So I was giving my gf a back rubwhen the second dose hit. I slumped down like it was dmt and I was in this jewled room. The floor the walls the decorations where all made of gems. I took a seat and I had a long conversation with an entity. I don't remember ever actually seeing it but I heard it. I don't remember the contents of the conversation. But right after I got up and I was so angry. I felt as if I had reached home. I was so mad that it's kept from us. I picked up my phone saw the time as was like, "what is time? I can do whatever I want, whenever."  This night was the night I let go. I was free.

  Then thing I was most upset about was that the experience is kept from us and that I only needed 180$ for an ounce in order to achieve this state. It was so stupid simple. Money can buy you happiness. Till this day it's the most significant moment in my life. 180 dollars and I'm here, it was bullshit. I spent Soo much of my life just fucking lost and worried. Now I'm still lost but ok with it all. No worries.


I suffer from anxiety. I worry about what people think, what they think of me etc. I usually dose at least 5g and I have found that this dose range is where I can escape my world for a few hours. I can gather my feelings and not be worried for a little while. I haven't tripped in over a year and a half now. The longer I've been doing this the less and less I feel the need to escape. But it's something that is invaluable to me.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26729029 - 06/08/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The ego can be a whinny little bitch.  Mine is anyway.

Regardless very well put.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26729035 - 06/08/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The ego can be a whinny little bitch.  Mine is anyway.

Regardless very well put.




Mine as well. Mushrooms help me there, although I still haven't defeated it enough to take a heroic dose. But in time I will.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26729062 - 06/08/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Last 4 years I’ve returned to psychedelics to self treat 40 years worth of depression. It has been a hard slog; the first 5 months were tough because the SSRIs remaining in my brain after complete abstention stopped any sort of full trip. But I kept on persevering and persevering. I decided I was depression free about 6 months ago. I’m not cured by any stretch, but life is actually worthwhile again. But to be brutally honest, it wasn’t the depression that kept me persevering; it was the search for the headspace.




I'm sorry to hear that you suffered depression for that long.
IME, depression isn't something I can ever cure. It's something I've learned to deal with in a graceful manner when it comes up. Depressing feelings will come and go in my own life. It's nice to hear that mushrooms have helped you with that! You mentioned there were SSRI's remaining in your brain - are you currently back on SSRI's, or did you get to a healthy enough space that you could stop taking them?

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since that first trip 35 years ago,  I have never stopped thinking about psychedelics!




:laugh: I can relate to that. Psychedelics have been an extremely important part of my life. I was passionate and curious about them even before I had ever tried any, and neither the passion nor the curiosity have died down.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26729083 - 06/08/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Yet something kept gnawing at me. I finally put my ego aside and realized that the mushrooms were calling to me. It was weird, because I'm an atheist and I've never had a feeling of something immaterial, greater than myself, calling me to a mission. But I could not shake their call, the feeling that the mushroom was some sort of transcendental being, communicating with me. So I found this website and the rest is history :cool:




Man, I can relate to that. A little over a year ago, I reached a point where I couldn't even escape mushrooms even if I wanted to. Mycology is just a huge part of who I am, and sometimes it almost feels like psilocybin is the mushroom's way of communicating with us. Mycology is such a rewarding hobby to get into. Mycology offers food, a greater understanding of our ecosystem, psychedelic experiences, and cultivating can teach you other good habits like hygiene and patience.

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Mushrooms bring me closer to those around me.




Yes, I've also found that there's quite a community to be found in the world of mushrooms.

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Mushrooms give me a new perspective.




This is an interesting one for me. I can definitely relate here, as I've always felt that psychedelics offer a new way of looking at things. The thing is, lots of things can do that. Climbing to the top of a mountain will give you a different perspective, so I know there's more to the psychedelic experience than offering a new perspective. The problem seems to be putting those specific details into words. It seems like the sort of thing that really can't be described - it just has to be experienced.

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Mushrooms (not just consuming but the act of cultivating) make me feel whole again.




That's a really good point. I never considered cultivation a part of the medicinal aspect of mushrooms, but now that you mention it, it definitely is. Cultivation teaches you about patience, hygiene, and responsibility. My first few experiences with mushrooms came about as a result of my purchasing mushrooms from dealers or from just receiving mushrooms for free from friends. When I started cultivating cubes, it became a whole new experience. I'm aware of how much love and care I put into the cultivation process, and that always plays into my experiences with mushrooms now.

Thanks for sharing all of that!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26729103 - 06/08/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Then thing I was most upset about was that the experience is kept from us and that I only needed 180$ for an ounce in order to achieve this state. It was so stupid simple. Money can buy you happiness. Till this day it's the most significant moment in my life. 180 dollars and I'm here, it was bullshit. I spent Soo much of my life just fucking lost and worried. Now I'm still lost but ok with it all. No worries.





That's a very interesting point. I have felt a similar anger in my own life when thinking about the legal status of mushrooms and other psychedelics. These substances have only served to benefit me without harming anyone else, so it seems absurd that they should be illegal. However, I had an experience last summer when I saw a new documentary about mushrooms called Fantastic Fungi (if you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend it). I was tripping pretty hard when I saw the movie, and there was one interview with a researcher from John Hopkins who works with psychedelics. He was discussing the legal status of these substances, and commented on how one response to the legal history of psychedelics is to become angry. However, another response is to just be open about it.

That was when things started to click for me. I'm an educated person, I'm an active participant in society, and I'm a good neighbor and friend. If someone like me can articulate the reasons that psychedelics have helped me and share those experiences with the general public somehow, it might start to shift public opinion in a better direction. Thankfully, I can see this sort of shift happening in our world right now. I think Michael Pollan's recent book, How to Change Your Mind, was a giant step in the right direction. He's a very skeptical, educated man who has a voice that speaks to people who are currently in their 50's and 60's. His book not only shined a positive light on psychedelics, but also made his own personal experiences with these substances accessible to a wider audience. I have high hopes that this sort of discourse will continue, and maybe one day we will live in a world where psychedelics are more accessible to adults who want to use them safely.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26729217 - 06/08/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry to hear that you suffered depression for that long.
IME, depression isn't something I can ever cure. It's something I've learned to deal with in a graceful manner when it comes up. Depressing feelings will come and go in my own life. It's nice to hear that mushrooms have helped you with that! You mentioned there were SSRI's remaining in your brain - are you currently back on SSRI's, or did you get to a healthy enough space that you could stop taking them?


I weaned myself off the SSRIs after 7 years on a fairly high dose of sertraline,,100mg daily. My first day of zero medication was 2nd July 2016. I took my first mushroom tea in over 20 years a week later.

I got flutters of the mushroom experience, but all very underwhelming. I built up to a 9g dose of dried liberty caps, so almost 3x the heroic dose for semilanceata, with an “almost trip”. It wasn’t until 5 full months before I tripped. 7.5g dry liberty caps; and boy, what a first trip back. My plants turned into Rastafarians, dancing to the music, and visually interacting with me. I haven’t looked back :cookiemonster:

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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26729945 - 06/08/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's so awesome to hear, DJ Ed. Sounds like you're in a much better place. I have never been on SSRI's before, but from what I understand, getting off of them can be quite a journey. Thanks again for sharing your experience!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26730721 - 06/09/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A dumb metaphor maybe, but I feel like I'm stuck spinning around a whirlpool of depression and every year I come a full circle a little deeper in than last time. Shrooms are the main reason I haven't plummeted down past the point of recovery, for a little while they replace my defeatist attitude and nihilism with hope for the future, appreciation for myself and a feeling that there is more to life than I previously knew.

It's definitely a coping mechanism right now, but it's the least unhealthy coping mechanism I can think of. It could still be alcohol and weed but those only make things worse. It's weird, last year I would have written an entirely different answer about how shrooms turned my life around but I've lost all that progress in just a few months spent away from tripping.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Turvenuija]
    #26730893 - 06/09/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It's definitely a coping mechanism right now, but it's the least unhealthy coping mechanism I can think of. It could still be alcohol and weed but those only make things worse. It's weird, last year I would have written an entirely different answer about how shrooms turned my life around but I've lost all that progress in just a few months spent away from tripping.




I think that's a positive thing. I've found that people who medicate their problems with weed or alcohol tend to do so every single day, which can be quite the drain on one's life. Comparatively, people who medicate with large dosages of mushrooms get so shaken up by what they see that they can't handle doing it more than a handful of times per year - plus, the tolerance for mushrooms builds up quickly as well, preventing it from being realistically abused every day.

That said, there are people who abuse mushrooms, like any other drug. However, I don't think you're one of those people, considering it's been a few months since you've tripped. That doesn't sound like abuse to me. If mushrooms shake things up enough for you that you feel like there's more to life than you previously knew, I'd say that's pretty great medicine :smile:


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Turvenuija]
    #26731070 - 06/09/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I stumbled upon a system that worked for my depression. “Sweet spot” dose of 3.8g dry cubensis, every 2 weeks with NO excuses, completely alone. Don’t steer the trip or set intention, just trip and see where it goes. After about 3 months, you’ll notice the after glow doesn’t go away. At this point, consider your dosing regime, nd maybe tone it down a bit to see how life then pans out.

Take care, depression is a bastard
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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26731251 - 06/09/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm almost 50 and started taking/growing mushrooms in October. Most trips in the 2.5-3.5 range. I find they allow me an escape for a few hours to find the true me & for a few weeks afterward I feel like I'm more of a spiritual person who just sees life in general. The best way to describe it is walking through a fire with all its chaos & still seeing the calmness & beauty in everything. Anger get reduced & I just live in the moment.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26731408 - 06/09/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, that sounds like quite the experience. The most I've ever taken was somewhere between 3.5 and 4 dried grams of cubensis, and that was with a couple of very close, trusted friends. I've only taken mushrooms alone twice, and both times were lower doses (1.7 grams the first time, 2 grams the second time). I plan on taking 3.5 dried grams alone at some point, but the thought of it scares me. However, when I really think about it, I realize that most of those fears are just my ego trying to protect itself.

I do have one legitimate fear, which is the fear of psychosis. However, even then, I don't think that fear is large enough for me to stay away from 3.5 grams alone for the rest of my life. I've had a really challenging trip before - one which really tested me, freaked me out, and brought up some of the worst aspects of myself. It shook me up, but I'm still not psychotic after that.


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    #26731689 - 06/09/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey it’s not a competition, these substances are serious stuff. So don’t feel bad or anything like that, each to his own. Work your way up. I had a really deep trip many decades ago tht has scared me deeply. It’s taken some “integration”. But 3.8g is a serious dose. But I find, for me, it’s just on the side of safety, if you know what I mean. The first time I tripped alone, meaning with absolutely no chance of rescue, was last September, October. After over 30 years on and off with mushrooms. And when the come up really started to gain pace, I had that sinking feeling. You know; “I’ve made a mistake”!

So what do you do buddy? You really are on your own. You have experience so know the worst possible way forward is to panic. So you rationalise the situation, you realise you’re not actually going to die, or anything untoward happen, you know it may be unpleasant and unnerving for a few (long) hours. So you think “fuck it, what have I got to lose”.

I’ll tell you, when I reached that stage last year, and let go. Wow, I was soon thanking the psychedelic gods. I had amazing experience after amazing experience, at forthrightly intervals.

I think my first trip was in 1987. My first trip truly alone was 2019. I don’t think I could ever enjoy a trip with “a sitter” ever again.

Take care, and go for it
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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26731773 - 06/09/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey it’s not a competition, these substances are serious stuff.




Something that needs to be said to everyone before they even touch psychedelics. Too many people are trying to compare psychedelic dick sizes, fighting with each other who has taken more, had the bigger ego death, is the bigger psychonaut. None of that matters.

You take the dose that benefits you the most.

Someone taking 1g and meditating, then going out and helping others is more indicative of what this community stands for than someone taking 10g, tripping unbelievably hard and causing property damage, then going to some forums to brag how high they were.

(Not to say that happens at that dose or that people don't take small doses just to get high. The point is, how effective a dose is at making you a better you is more important than the size of the dose.).

I've been at this for a couple of years and I've yet to go past 3.5g. And even my 3g+ doses have been fewer than my experimentation in the 1-3g range.

But at the same time, don't be like me to the extent that you let the fear your ego produces hold you back. Many times I wanted to take a specific dose but my ego was afraid and I chickened out or took less than I wanted.

(I too had that same fear, will I go psycho or do something dumb at higher doses? Those thoughts never stopped me from drinking until I woke up the next day with no recollection of how I got there. Made me wonder what I am really afraid of).

This is your journey, you decide how and when to take it.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26731778 - 06/09/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, definitely not a competition, and I'm not racing to have intense experiences on my own.

That's really inspiring, though. I love that idea of "fuck it, what have I got to lose" in an uncomfortable psychedelic setting. I think once you've been through that, you probably started to realize that you had everything to gain, and that's really beautiful.

I'm looking forward to my next solo trip. I think my next solo trip will be around 2.5 dried grams. It's not going to be for at least another month, but I'm already putting a lot of thought into my intention and what I hope to get out of the experience. Thanks again for your stories!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26731798 - 06/09/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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You take the dose that benefits you the most.




Amen to that! Sometimes, your own experiences can even benefit other people as well. I know some of the insights I've gained during my own experiences have come back up in deep conversation with my loved ones, and I like to think that those insights have helped them, too.

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This is your journey, you decide how and when to take it.



Thanks for the encouragement :smile: Good advice for anyone dabbling with these substances.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26736637 - 06/11/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I think that's a positive thing. I've found that people who medicate their problems with weed or alcohol tend to do so every single day, which can be quite the drain on one's life. Comparatively, people who medicate with large dosages of mushrooms get so shaken up by what they see that they can't handle doing it more than a handful of times per year - plus, the tolerance for mushrooms builds up quickly as well, preventing it from being realistically abused every day.

That said, there are people who abuse mushrooms, like any other drug. However, I don't think you're one of those people, considering it's been a few months since you've tripped. That doesn't sound like abuse to me. If mushrooms shake things up enough for you that you feel like there's more to life than you previously knew, I'd say that's pretty great medicine :smile:



Oops, forgot to check back for a couple days. Yeah, weed is especially dangerous because there's practically no hangover and getting blissfully high every day is very doable compared to alcohol. Weed is only for people with self control. I don't find myself too shaken up by heavy doses, I usually come back for more in just 1-3 weeks. Turns out doing that for too long eventually caught up with me and I needed to take a long break even though I didn't really want to. I do feel I abused the mushroom a bit, but it was too much fun to not do it as often as I did.

Now that I'm back in the saddle I feel like I've changed for the worse and my relationship with mushrooms needs to be built up from the ground up again. I've had three trips, first two were garbage and the third finally gave some decent results after getting demoralized for the first 1,5 hours so it's something.

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I stumbled upon a system that worked for my depression. “Sweet spot” dose of 3.8g dry cubensis, every 2 weeks with NO excuses, completely alone. Don’t steer the trip or set intention, just trip and see where it goes. After about 3 months, you’ll notice the after glow doesn’t go away. At this point, consider your dosing regime, nd maybe tone it down a bit to see how life then pans out.

Take care, depression is a bastard
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Hi Ed, your system sounds similar to the habit I got into except often dosing every weekend with about the same dose as you. I also liked to blast myself into hyperspace with much heavier doses irregularly. It did work fantastically well for a time, only eventually I started feeling nostalgic to previous trips and started to steer my trips so I could relive some experiences. A dumb mistake that I'll definitely repeat again. I think I wanna try your way over the summer and see how it goes. I won't trip this weekend so 3,8g next weekend it is then, thanks.


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    #26736661 - 06/11/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dude sounds similar to me. That’s why I said, after about 3 months, consider your dosing regime. Because I considered it, then carried on anyway! And the mushrooms have punished me; 7 trips this year, 6 too intense to enjoy, each slightly less than 3.8g,mandneach with less to no cannabis, and one of the 7 trips has been my first “bad trip” in about 30 years!. So I’m back to monthly doses, and building back up slowly.

No matter how many 100s of times you take mushrooms, they will always be more powerful than you.

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    #26736687 - 06/11/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Either I'm not be used to being punished by mushrooms like this or I must have been some kind of masochist in the past. I guess these slumps come and go, I hope you get back into enjoying trips more as well soon.


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A dumb mistake that I'll definitely repeat again.





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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26737021 - 06/11/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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No matter how many 100s of times you take mushrooms, they will always be more powerful than you.





That's good to know that they don't lose their magic over time, I guess. I've had roughly 10 trips in my life over the course of 4 years, so I'm still very much a beginner. Mushrooms still feel extremely powerful to me, and I'm glad that they still have something to offer even after tripping hundreds of times.


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    #26738278 - 06/11/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There are so many benefits that I have experienced from mushrooms that i dont even know where to begin!  To start, i feel they have decreased my social anxiety.  Even though i consider myself a confident person I have always had a really hard time talking in groups of people and meeting new people but this has greatly decreased since taking mushrooms.

I also feel like I have a greater level of empathy.  I have always been a person who lacked super strong emotions.  I never really expressed great joy or great sadness.  Because of this I always had trouble understanding others emotions but a few of my trips have helped me to understand this better.

Decreased my fear of death. To be honest, my first mushroom trip (about 7 grams dried) increased my anxiety around death because it made me extremely aware of my mortality.  Me being in my early 20s i sometimes felt like i was immortal but the mushrooms were basically like "nope youre gonna die too buddy".  Subsequent trips have put me at ease though as it has made me believe that there will always be life beyond this one. 

Made me a better family member and friend.  I sometimes neglected the people who love me the most and the mushrooms really shoved this fact in my face and forced me to deal with that.  Since then I have really been putting in twice the effort to stay close to my family and friends and fix any problems that we may have.

Last but not least they are a cure for the migraine headaches that i suffer from every now and then.  I usually get severe migraines every month or so, sometimes more often, sometimes less.  However after heavy mushroom trips I tend to not have a migraine for up to 6 months and then it seems like the effect more or less wears off.  Also worth noting that taking mushrooms (or LSD) at the onset of a migraine can completely stop it in its tracks.  Never have found a perscription drug that is anywhere near as effective.


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    #26738697 - 06/12/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: chiefpeef]
    #26739152 - 06/12/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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There are so many benefits that I have experienced from mushrooms that i dont even know where to begin!  To start, i feel they have decreased my social anxiety.  Even though i consider myself a confident person I have always had a really hard time talking in groups of people and meeting new people but this has greatly decreased since taking mushrooms.




That's interesting. I often find that I have more social anxiety while I'm tripping. I generally have difficulty in large groups or groups of people I don't know after eating mushrooms. However, this feeling usually passes once the trip is over. Nice to hear you've had some long term benefits on that vector.

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I also feel like I have a greater level of empathy.  I have always been a person who lacked super strong emotions.  I never really expressed great joy or great sadness.  Because of this I always had trouble understanding others emotions but a few of my trips have helped me to understand this better.




How did they help you understand that better? Was it because mushrooms were an extremely emotional experience for you, or something else?

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Decreased my fear of death. To be honest, my first mushroom trip (about 7 grams dried) increased my anxiety around death because it made me extremely aware of my mortality.  Me being in my early 20s i sometimes felt like i was immortal but the mushrooms were basically like "nope youre gonna die too buddy".  Subsequent trips have put me at ease though as it has made me believe that there will always be life beyond this one.




This is also an interesting one. Personally, I've never struggled too much with my own mortality. It's something I always remember being pretty aware of. That said, I have read many accounts of people who say mushrooms have decreased their anxiety about death - especially people who have terminal illnesses. However, there's a subtle difference I've noticed between those types of accounts and your own: I've found that when people describe decreased anxiety about death after a mushroom experience, it's coming from a place of acceptance. The idea seems to be that one can see they've lived a complete life (or that the idea of a "complete life" is nebulous in the first place) and that death is simply the end. People often report feeling much more at-peace with the life they have left to live after an experience like that. What's interesting about your account is that the mushrooms seem to have left you with some reassurance of an afterlife. I can't say I've seen that before.


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Last but not least they are a cure for the migraine headaches that i suffer from every now and then.  I usually get severe migraines every month or so, sometimes more often, sometimes less.  However after heavy mushroom trips I tend to not have a migraine for up to 6 months and then it seems like the effect more or less wears off.  Also worth noting that taking mushrooms (or LSD) at the onset of a migraine can completely stop it in its tracks.  Never have found a perscription drug that is anywhere near as effective.



I have heard about using LSD as a treatment for migraines and cluster headaches, but I don't believe I've heard of mushrooms being used for that purpose. I'm glad they helped you in that regard!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Sultan]
    #26739156 - 06/12/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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They can shut off the running commentary in your head



I guess this is a part of ego death, and I've definitely had experiences like this on mushrooms. Sometimes, it feels like my thoughts are quieter after eating mushrooms, allowing more room for other experiences. How, specifically, would you say that this quieting of the mind benefits you?


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    #26739364 - 06/12/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder if you already have the idea of an after life conditioned in you. Have you believed in the afterlife before the mushroom experience?

I don't believe in an afterlife but I can see how during my trips I could easily come to that conclusion. But I don't see any other evidence other than the trips. It was more of a hunch of the afterlife existing.


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    #26739677 - 06/12/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms let me explore emotional side of the world. I sit on the ASD spectrum and my empathy and emotional side of things sits at 1 or 2 normally, my friends even call me a robot lol. Under mushrooms the dial goes to 11 and I can explore various things on will and get a glimpse of what it is to be like a normal person, among many other things. Vivid imagination and ease of visualising and exploring concepts is awesome, I have figured out a lot of stuff during trips.


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    #26739784 - 06/12/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I wonder if you already have the idea of an after life conditioned in you. Have you believed in the afterlife before the mushroom experience?

I don't believe in an afterlife but I can see how during my trips I could easily come to that conclusion. But I don't see any other evidence other than the trips. It was more of a hunch of the afterlife existing.



I think you might have meant to direct that towards chiefpeef. I don't believe in an afterlife, either. haha


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: MindMeower]
    #26739786 - 06/12/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Mushrooms let me explore emotional side of the world. I sit on the ASD spectrum and my empathy and emotional side of things sits at 1 or 2 normally, my friends even call me a robot lol. Under mushrooms the dial goes to 11 and I can explore various things on will and get a glimpse of what it is to be like a normal person, among many other things. Vivid imagination and ease of visualising and exploring concepts is awesome, I have figured out a lot of stuff during trips.



Woah, that's super interesting. I don't think I've ever met an autistic person who has used psychedelics before, so it's really interesting to hear your experience with that. Thanks for sharing!


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    #26739829 - 06/12/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Mushrooms let me explore emotional side of the world. I sit on the ASD spectrum and my empathy and emotional side of things sits at 1 or 2 normally, my friends even call me a robot lol. Under mushrooms the dial goes to 11 and I can explore various things on will and get a glimpse of what it is to be like a normal person, among many other things.




Same here bud. I actually figured out I was autistic while I was tripping on acid. Asked my parents about it a few days later and they've known for years and never told me. I was watching the documentary "The Sunshine Makers" and realized that I had a lot of tendencies similar to Tim Scully, one of the original chemists of Orange Sunshine, whom they mentioned was on the spectrum. Soon enough, I looked up the symptoms of it and my mind was blown. Almost my entire personality is the result of the way my brain is physically structured? Wow. That's good to know.

Psychedelics allow me to go outside of my mind and understand the workings of it better. Being able to actually communicate with people verbally, and say exactly what you want to, no matter for how short of a time, is a true blessing as well.

I feel like a robot a lot too. Multiple trips I've spent just full on crying for hours, amazed that I can actually feel something so emotionally powerful, when normally the only things I used to feel was intense anxiety and depression over my social shortcomings.

I'm curious if this has ever happened to you? I mean full out bawling, like there was/is an emotional blockage in my brain that gets dissolved when I trip. It's not often that I run into another tripper on the spectrum.


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    #26740093 - 06/12/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

More along the lines of the actual thread, I'd say that mushrooms specifically have helped me tremendously as an antidepressant, dosed occasionally when I feel like I'm slipping.

Not to mention, their cultivation has shown to be a hugely beneficial hobby for me to obsess over and research, as intense obsessions are what keep me occupied from day to day, a classic symptom of autism. I was the kid who was WAY too into dinosaurs in school. It's hard to be depressed when there's so much to learn and do, having only done two simple PF Tek grows so far.

I'm a huge acid head, but while L has definitely helped me work through a multitude of personal problems including a pretty bad cigarette addiction, shrooms have always been a much gentler, more euphoric, less mindfucky option for me in that respect. I know for sure if I had better accessibility to them back then, they would've done just as well if not better for the same purposes I used acid for.

I also appreciate that I don't have to plan out a whole 12 hour block of time to get some relief. I used to love the duration, but it's gotten old recently.

I'm an atheist, but I'd say the feeling I get on mushrooms is probably the most "spiritual" trip I've experienced on any psych. I'm definitely not trying to dose in search of God or anything, but I am very excited to further explore this realm of psychedelics that I had previously ignored/ not cared about.

I'd say my experiences have pushed me even further towards non-belief, but with a much deeper connection to the natural world around me and the processes that guide it, including evolution, which is the closest thing to a God I believe in. One of the most impactful visuals I've ever seen on mushrooms was two crawling vines which intertwined into a perfect double helix, representing the inseparable connection between nature and science, or at least in my interpretation of it.


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Not so much letting out whatever had been built up but I have cried from happiness or sadness and many other things when I have been sitting on toilet and playing out scenarios etc. in my mind while I fight with my bladder (I always have hard time getting first pee out, once that happens the trip will have no more things to worry about lol). One time I thought my myself how I weep from the top and should do so from the bottom aswell and then it happened hahahahahaha. It has felt cathartic, in most positive way.


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    #26741933 - 06/13/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That's awesome that it allows you to feel those emotions. It really is amazing what these substances can do for a mind.

Psychedelic pisses are something else. I always imagine a choir of angels singing Hallelujah when it finally comes out, and many times this will be accompanied by my vision being covered in a sheen of gold.

I'm dying at the image of you letting go and "weeping from the bottom." Made my day. Urine therapy is the future.


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    #26742002 - 06/13/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They allow for spontaneity & primal non-dual awareness to regain their primacy.


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    #26742842 - 06/13/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They balance me out, gives me a good mental reset from extreme stress and provides great physical pain relief. This goes for both mush and L.


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    #26743237 - 06/14/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I cannot even describe in words what mushrooms really do for me.

I've done multiple 5g trips, and everytime I got back there now it feels like I'm "home", and this other reality I've been living is just a lie.

I would say at this point mushrooms have completely altered my version of reality, and completely changed me as a person.


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Exactly the same for me dude, that feeling of coming “home” :thumbup:


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    #26746044 - 06/15/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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More along the lines of the actual thread, I'd say that mushrooms specifically have helped me tremendously as an antidepressant, dosed occasionally when I feel like I'm slipping.

Not to mention, their cultivation has shown to be a hugely beneficial hobby for me to obsess over and research, as intense obsessions are what keep me occupied from day to day, a classic symptom of autism. I was the kid who was WAY too into dinosaurs in school. It's hard to be depressed when there's so much to learn and do, having only done two simple PF Tek grows so far.

I'm a huge acid head, but while L has definitely helped me work through a multitude of personal problems including a pretty bad cigarette addiction, shrooms have always been a much gentler, more euphoric, less mindfucky option for me in that respect. I know for sure if I had better accessibility to them back then, they would've done just as well if not better for the same purposes I used acid for.

I also appreciate that I don't have to plan out a whole 12 hour block of time to get some relief. I used to love the duration, but it's gotten old recently.

I'm an atheist, but I'd say the feeling I get on mushrooms is probably the most "spiritual" trip I've experienced on any psych. I'm definitely not trying to dose in search of God or anything, but I am very excited to further explore this realm of psychedelics that I had previously ignored/ not cared about.

I'd say my experiences have pushed me even further towards non-belief, but with a much deeper connection to the natural world around me and the processes that guide it, including evolution, which is the closest thing to a God I believe in. One of the most impactful visuals I've ever seen on mushrooms was two crawling vines which intertwined into a perfect double helix, representing the inseparable connection between nature and science, or at least in my interpretation of it.




Yes, you're the second person in this thread who pointed out that the cultivation process is part of the experience, and I agree as well. Cultivation has reinforced some good qualities in me like patience and hygiene. Plus, it is really fun to research and improve your own methods!

I have also found mushrooms to be much gentler than LSD. I typically struggle a bit more during LSD trips than with mushroom trips. The two main things that make me prefer mushrooms to LSD are the duration and the stimulation. 6-8 hours is a much more reasonable time for a trip than a whopping 12 hours, and the stimulation I get from LSD usually means I don't sleep for about 24 hours, even if I take it early in the morning. For me, LSD is usually a two-day experience at minimum (one day to trip, one day to recover), whereas I can recover from a mushroom trip while I sleep overnight.

Thanks for discussing how mushrooms have helped you spiritually, as well. I'm also an atheist. To me, spiritualism is about feeling connected to something bigger than yourself. I'm a skeptical person, but at the very least, I believe in my ecosystem, and I feel a connection between myself and my environment that could be described as spiritual, and mushrooms tend to accent this connection.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26748767 - 06/16/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms have done a lot of good things for me, like mentioned in previous posts, re-connecting to myself and the planet. Most importantly though they have inspired me to explore consciousness through meditation and this has been the most rewarding practice I have ever done. After a "bad trip" more than a year ago, I started meditating 1 hour every single day and this has lead me to territories of the mind where not even mushrooms have taken me.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: sinnerman]
    #26748969 - 06/16/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I cannot even describe in words what mushrooms really do for me.

I've done multiple 5g trips, and everytime I got back there now it feels like I'm "home", and this other reality I've been living is just a lie.

I would say at this point mushrooms have completely altered my version of reality, and completely changed me as a person.



Hopefully, these have been positive changes?

I've never had the feeling that I was returning home, though it seems that's a pretty common phrase for mushroom users to use. As for the other reality you've been living being a lie, I might have had some relatable experiences there. I've never had the feeling that sober reality was a lie, but I do believe that consciousness is a window to reality, and that psychedelics are like looking out a different window. When under the influence, your sensory organs still absorb all the same information, but the brain processes that information differently. Mushrooms (and other psychedelics) have shown me that there are many different modes of consciousness and, thus, many different vantage points from which we can experience reality. Maybe that's what you're getting at?


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Mushrooms have done a lot of good things for me, like mentioned in previous posts, re-connecting to myself and the planet. Most importantly though they have inspired me to explore consciousness through meditation and this has been the most rewarding practice I have ever done. After a "bad trip" more than a year ago, I started meditating 1 hour every single day and this has lead me to territories of the mind where not even mushrooms have taken me.



That's really nice that they inspired you in that way. I think mushrooms have given me similar inspirations. As I mentioned in a previous comment, mushrooms (and other psychedelics) have shown me that there are many different modes of consciousness - many different vantage points from which we may experience reality. Meditation is the gateway to another mode of consciousness, and I've found it to be a rather useful one as well!

Mushrooms have also inspired me to explore consciousness, and since I started using psychedelics, meditation has also become a larger part of my life. I'm not nearly as dedicated to it as you are (not that it's a competition haha) - I meditate for about ten minutes per day, but I find even just those ten minutes to be incredibly grounding and often healing. Knowing that there are people out there who meditate for an hour per day is really inspiring, so thanks for sharing your experience!

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    #26749338 - 06/16/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

First of all, thank you for giving me such a thorough reply! I feel like i should have been more specific on my benefits.  I definitely have increased social anxiety during the trip, but it also helps me realize that my social anxiety is really an illusion and is more about barriers that i have created myself.  Overcoming this has been about slowly breaking down the barriers between me and other people.  While i still definitely have social anxiety, i feel like it is less intense and I can handle public speaking and hanging out in larger groups without overwhelming dread.  Guess this can also be an improvement that comes with age as well. 

I feel like shrooms (and MDMA) helped me to understand myself a lot better (why i feel certain ways)which led to a greater understanding of my emotions and those of others.

When im talking about a life beyond this one I am not really talking about an "afterlife" as in the christian heaven or something like that.  I just dont believe that when I die it will be the end of my consciousness.  Im thinking more in the lines of reincarnation, and im not 100 percent convinced on that either, but to me it seems like the most likely reality. 

And honestly i havent had much luck with LSD and migraines.  Ive found that taking LSD at the onset of a migraine can definitely quickly alleviate the symptoms but doesnt offer me any protection for the future.  It seems to me that when i take a significant mushroom dose (for me 3.5-7 grams)I dont get any migraines for months at a time.  I a currently growing some so i can have  constant supply and i can experiment further on this.


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    #26749471 - 06/16/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I actually logged on to explain just this very thing. This will likely be a lengthy story so I'll put a tldr at the bottom.

I've been abnormally depressed recently, and the last few days it's been all I could do to keep a gun out of my mouth. Working from home has been stressful as my boss is incompetent and is actively out to get me, my marriage felt like it was feeling apart, I can't go to the gym and I've put on a ton of weight, and while I love my children dearly, special needs children will really take their toll on your psyche when you can't take them out of the house. Even neurotypical children with cabin fever are a handful, add in a child diagnosed with level 3 ASD, and chaos reigns. On top of all the personal issues, every news story regardless of which political bias all agree on the basic idea that we are living in the end times, shit has hit the fan and it's not getting any better and time soon.

I just started cultivating again after a 3 year break, and lamented that my first grow won't be ready for another week or two.
So my wife dug out a bag from my last grow, that either I'd forgotten about, or hidden from myself. I took 2g lemon Tek, with a spoonful of sugar, (didn't want to take the chance they're old) and as soon as they kicked in, it's like a weight was lifted off of my shoulders. It would seem that I was experiencing an "impeding sense of doom" which hey, mushrooms are known to cure.

I feel better about life in general, it doesn't seem so bleak, and the light at the end of the tunnel might not be an oncoming train after all.

TLDR I was super depressed and suicidal, took mushrooms, now shit doesn't seem so bad.


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    #26749690 - 06/16/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey there!

Sorry for responding to this post almost a week late;

As someone who's bounced between SSRI usage for a few months (after multiple off and on periods of being perscribed the same SSRI dosage with nothing but negative impact on my mental state) with constant prompting by my dismissive Doctor, as someone who's tripped a handful of times on various dosages, how long would you suggest abstinence before any sort of trip?

I remember one of my first trips was on some magic truffles and had little to no effect on me apart from some light body high feeling. I'm planning on taking around 2.5-3.5g of Amazonian cubes in a few weeks but I've only tapered off a low 50g SSRI dosage 2 weeks ago.

Not to sound too emotive but good on you for making it this far and working out what makes your life worthwhile! I'm still in pursuit myself, hence why I'm here, for a deeper understanding of what my purpose is and who I am.

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    #26750313 - 06/16/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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First of all, thank you for giving me such a thorough reply! I feel like i should have been more specific on my benefits.  I definitely have increased social anxiety during the trip, but it also helps me realize that my social anxiety is really an illusion and is more about barriers that i have created myself.  Overcoming this has been about slowly breaking down the barriers between me and other people.  While i still definitely have social anxiety, i feel like it is less intense and I can handle public speaking and hanging out in larger groups without overwhelming dread.  Guess this can also be an improvement that comes with age as well.




That definitely clarifies it. It sounds like, with respect to social anxiety, mushrooms have opened some new doors for you, and you've since stepped through those doors on your own outside of the psychedelic experience.

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When im talking about a life beyond this one I am not really talking about an "afterlife" as in the christian heaven or something like that.  I just dont believe that when I die it will be the end of my consciousness.  Im thinking more in the lines of reincarnation, and im not 100 percent convinced on that either, but to me it seems like the most likely reality. 




Personally, I'm a little skeptical of any theory of consciousness after death, since it seems we have trouble deciding what consciousness is in the first place. Nevertheless, it's quite clear that the chemicals that make up your body aren't going anywhere after you die - they just change into other chemicals. Either way, it's interesting that mushrooms have given you some new ideas about death.

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And honestly i havent had much luck with LSD and migraines.  Ive found that taking LSD at the onset of a migraine can definitely quickly alleviate the symptoms but doesnt offer me any protection for the future.  It seems to me that when i take a significant mushroom dose (for me 3.5-7 grams)I dont get any migraines for months at a time.  I a currently growing some so i can have  constant supply and i can experiment further on this.



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    #26750318 - 06/16/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I've been abnormally depressed recently, and the last few days it's been all I could do to keep a gun out of my mouth. Working from home has been stressful as my boss is incompetent and is actively out to get me, my marriage felt like it was feeling apart, I can't go to the gym and I've put on a ton of weight, and while I love my children dearly, special needs children will really take their toll on your psyche when you can't take them out of the house. Even neurotypical children with cabin fever are a handful, add in a child diagnosed with level 3 ASD, and chaos reigns. On top of all the personal issues, every news story regardless of which political bias all agree on the basic idea that we are living in the end times, shit has hit the fan and it's not getting any better and time soon.




Shit, man. Sounds like you have a lot to deal with. I hope writing all of that out has been cathartic enough to ease a bit of the stress :smile:

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I just started cultivating again after a 3 year break, and lamented that my first grow won't be ready for another week or two.
So my wife dug out a bag from my last grow, that either I'd forgotten about, or hidden from myself. I took 2g lemon Tek, with a spoonful of sugar, (didn't want to take the chance they're old) and as soon as they kicked in, it's like a weight was lifted off of my shoulders.




Even though you said you felt like your marriage is falling apart, it sounds like you and your wife can still make a pretty good team when it's down to the wire. I'm still relatively young and haven't had any relationships that got to a point of cohabitation, but I've always worried that if I ever start living with one of my partners (or decide to have children) that I wouldn't be able to find time for psychedelic experiences. However, it sounds like you and your wife have found a way to make that work somehow, even during a pandemic.

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It would seem that I was experiencing an "impeding sense of doom" which hey, mushrooms are known to cure.




Eh, I wouldn't say mushrooms cure that feeling, but a lot of people report that they feel more accepting of fate after a mushroom trip. Terminally ill people often find a sense of satisfaction with the lives they've lived and trusting that whatever lies ahead (even death) is going to be okay. Sounds like it was a healing experience either way, and I'm really glad that they gave you some peace of mind.


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    #26750350 - 06/17/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Coming off SSRIs and how this then translates into being able to trip successfully, is very individual to the person. It took me 5 months. For others, it takes a matter of days. And for some lucky few, it makes no difference.

Two weeks followed by 3.5g is a great start. See how you get on, and good luck.

Remember, there are no negative interactions between SSRIs and psilocybin; if anything, they lessen each other’s effects.

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    #26750529 - 06/17/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fungi keep me grounded and in touch with nature, even in the coldest of winters - they're my "gardening fix".

They help me to see harmony and connection when my own preoccupation and cluttered thoughts distract me from the bliss of awareness & observing without judgment.

Reactive emotional responses to Everything are far less frequent for me when I involve fungi with my day to day experiences.

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Shit, man. Sounds like you have a lot to deal with. I hope writing all of that out has been cathartic enough to ease a bit of the stress :smile:



I actually was feeling so cathartic with the light trip that I really felt the need to share.





I've always worried that if I ever start living with one of my partners (or decide to have children) that I wouldn't be able to find time for psychedelic experiences.




The trick is to find a partner that is either an experienced tripper, or is willing to try it. If you trip sit them their first time, you can trip together later, and there is no more rewarding experience IMO than tripping with someone you love. It can strengthen your bond, and trip sex is amazing fun of it's level 3 or less.
Once you have kids, there just needs to be more preparation.
This is what babysitters and in-laws are for. I'll drop the babies off with my parents for the weekend and take a daytime trip in a dark bedroom with wifey. Good times had by all.


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    #26756960 - 06/19/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Do you not think this is because mushrooms basically turn you into a young child again; so everything is amazing and new. Like a 4 year old going to the fairground or a theme park. Psilocin switches off the so-called Default Mode Network, responsible for survival, the ego. As the ego dissolves, the environmental, parental, educational, peer influences on you are removed; you’re stripped back to a child.

Wouldn’t it be awesome to be able to get that excitement you felt on Christmas morning as a child.......

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    #26757237 - 06/19/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'd be real careful about any analysis that concludes tripping "turns you into a young child again".  :shrug:

Although there are aspects to trips that recover childhood feelings and memories, simply assuming/asserting that it "switches off the so-called Default Mode Network" is another road to misunderstanding IMHO.  Mushrooms amplify emotions and brain interconnectivity - the latter has been demonstrated only fairly recently in fMRI studies that, BTW, entirely refuted published conclusions that they worked by dampening activity, a "result" I found strikingly at odd with actual experience, where thoughts run faster and in unusual, often inexplicable, but beneficial ways.

When I trip I never feel like a child, although I can remember being a child more clearly.  I feel instead like I've left behind a load of ego-centered adaptation that turns out (in retrospect), to be of little apparent actual utility - even if all too typical among modern humans. 

Switching off the "ego" IME arises from a return to non-dual consciousness, i.e., not a loss of something but rather a gain of a vastly more powerful perspective.  :cookiemonster:

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    #26757558 - 06/19/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Shrooms are poisonous.
They don't "bring one home," rather they poison you into a feeling of illusory elation.
Has enlightenment become that cheap, where one can eat a few caps and experience authentic higher states of consciousness and being?


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    #26757961 - 06/19/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Gee I wish I'd known that 40 years ago when I first tried them. :raisemyglass:


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    #26757995 - 06/19/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Shrooms are poisonous.
They don't "bring one home," rather they poison you into a feeling of illusory elation.
Has enlightenment become that cheap, where one can eat a few caps and experience authentic higher states of consciousness and being?




How's that any different than taking Ayahuasca like you want to do though? Mushrooms aren't poisonous, they contain a variation of DMT (4-HO-DMT) aka Psilocin, they don't bring you into an illusory state, they're as capable as DMT is for illumination/awakening and bringing the unconscious to the conscious mind, and as capable of producing higher states. They do have a difference in terms of effects, but i've had Psilohuasca using mushrooms with Rue as well as 4-ACO-DMT (which turns into Psilocin) with Rue and it's pretty much identical to Aya with oral DMT, just that DMT has a bit of a clearer/cleaner/sharper feel to it and activates a bit more receptor sites than Psilocin does, but i've gotten the same stuff from Psilohuasca that i have from Ayahuasca, the Light shines through and one can become illuminated. The whole mushrooms are poisonous thing is just propaganda/misinformation/myth from the 60's to scare people away from them. I think i remember you saying that mushrooms seemed dark or evil to you, anytime i've taken them it's actually been a lot more tolerable/manageable and lighter/gentler compared to oral DMT, oral DMT is a beast and can be quite terrifying on occasion.

Overall though, i do prefer Aya with oral DMT over Psilohuasca because i do feel like DMT is more genuine because it's a naturally occurring neurotransmitter in the body, and Psilocin isn't, but that doesn't mean Psilocin isn't capable of the same things. Now, mushrooms on their own, different than Psilohuasca, so in terms of mushrooms i do prefer the Psilohuasca, but even mushrooms or even 4-ACO on their own, still just fine and more manageable ime for me personally than oral DMT. With Psilocin you have more wiggle room, it's gentler, softer, more relaxed, DMT is more sharp, serious, disciplining, can easily scare someone away if not approached properly, mushrooms seem to be more forgiving in that sense.


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    #26758856 - 06/20/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Haha had to laugh though; most field guides do describe psychoactive mushrooms as “poisonous”. Always makes me laugh, one of the safest psychoactive drugs known to man :awesome:


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    #26759650 - 06/20/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

you're just poisoning yourself to get high, but fine be an idiot and ridicule what I said.


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    #26759756 - 06/20/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Shrooms are poisonous.
They don't "bring one home," rather they poison you into a feeling of illusory elation.
Has enlightenment become that cheap, where one can eat a few caps and experience authentic higher states of consciousness and being?




Ever heard of chemognosis? Fact: The mushroom is a poison, also fact: it can be an invaluable tool of introspection, and illumination as it pertains to Shamanistic practices.
To paraphrase a wiser man than myself, "the mushroom is a tool, and like a hammer it can be used to build a house, or crack a skull, or simply be juggled for entertainment. The users intent and ability, determine it's efficacy and it's value to those ends."
If enlightenment is a deep hole, you can spend a decade digging by hand, or you can learn to use an excavator and dig to the same depth in a few hours. You still need to spend the time learning to use the excavator, or you'll end up making no progress, or even hurting yourself, but that doesn't mean it's not worth doing, or that it cheapens the experience. JM2C.


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    #26759762 - 06/20/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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you're just poisoning yourself to get high, but fine be an idiot and ridicule what I said.




If mushrooms were poisonous, they would not have been found to be physiologically safer than Cannabis, and Psilocybin wouldn't be being fast tracked by the FDA to becoming a legal and effective psychotherapy treatment projected to be legal for clinical use within the next couple years or so.


The only way mushrooms would be poisoned is if they were contaminated with some sort of fungi or bacteria that gave you something like food poisoning.

As i mentioned in my message last night, Psychedelics in general can sometimes feel like you've been poisoned, there's numerous people who've said they've felt poisoned after consuming Ayahuasca for example. Mescaline-containing Cacti can also feel like that and make you vomit. It just comes with the territory, those thoughts are just the ego freaking out because it's a dramatic shift in consciousness especially during the come up so it tries to struggle and fight and resist during the come up and the ego thinks something is wrong, but nothing is wrong but one's own dark/negative-leaning thoughts.


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    #26759764 - 06/20/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As far as like other animals go, it's a kind of poison or deterrent, meant to deter consumption by those animals, however in terms of toxicity or harm, mushrooms are completely physiologically safe and healthy.


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    #26760147 - 06/20/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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you're just poisoning yourself to get high, but fine be an idiot and ridicule what I said.





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    #26762405 - 06/21/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Great OP and thread.

As for the comment about mushrooms being a poison, it's a moot point. Nearly every drug (alcohol!!) and plant medicine could be labelled a poison.

The real question is, what did or do the mushrooms do for each individual? 

For myself, a 3-4g dose of mushrooms shook me out of a 15 years crack/heroin/opiate habit.  I was given clear instructions to "go to the jungle to heal myself".  What followed were a series of trips to Peru drinking Ayahuasca and San Pedro, which healed an auto-immune disease and  I came out the other side a clean and content human being.  If that's not enlightenment, I don't know what is!

I attribute this radical shift to the mushrooms which were the catalyst for this positive transformation. 

Now I like to use mushrooms (and cactus) to reconnect me with nature and provide a reset. They also work to ease some of the anxiety that's crept in during these past few months.

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    #26763156 - 06/21/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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As for the comment about mushrooms being a poison, it's a moot point.




No it's not, unless nothing means anything that is.  :laugh2:

The consumption level that kills mammals (well rats in tests) is about half their body weight.  By that measure distilled water is a poison. 

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    #26763457 - 06/21/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

When the majority of people hear the word “poison”, they think of something that can cause harm, or can kill. Some mushrooms indeed can kill. And some apparently cause pretty horrific deaths.

But for F.Sake! psilocybin mushrooms CANNOT kill you. So how the F. are they a poison?

Anyway,,back to the OP;,what do mushrooms do to benefit you?

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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26768090 - 06/21/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

shrooms intoxicate you and the psychedelic high that you get from ingesting them is the poison circulating through your entire system, and coming down is the poison exiting your body.


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    #26768238 - 06/21/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

That probably really makes your trips difficult. :utterconfusion:


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    #26768240 - 06/21/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh damn I was gonna post about what mushrooms do to benefit me:laugh2:

They are absolutely the key to vast productivity in writing fiction, something I've struggled with in the past.  I once quit them for a long time in the middle of a novel I was finishing, just to prove to myself that I could write without them as well.

But it's so much easier to use them, I get to see the story as if it were a movie, and I dictate it while tripping, then transcribe it later for editing. 

By far the most useful drug I've ever used when it comes to sustained creativity (I haven't tried LSD but I've heard that about it as well).  :cookiemonster:


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    #26783319 - 06/25/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting to hear how mushrooms have driven your creativity, particularly in the realm of writing!  I was about a third of the way through writing my novel, but it's been moved to the back burner since I become a dad. 

Don't have as much free time since the little guy came into my life.  That said, I did manage to write and publish my first children's book in the last 2 years.  This book was directly inspired by San Pedro cactus, so I would agree there is strong a link between these plant medicines (poisons!? haha!) and creativity.  Never thought I'd write a rhyming kids book! :smile:

I'm currently feeling the call to pick up the novel manuscript again and re-start.  Perhaps the mushrooms will be the catalyst to drive this!?

I just need to grow some now, and then I can get started.  My spores arrived today, so inoculating my PF tek jars this weekend.  First attempt....  :-)

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    #26783364 - 06/25/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The difference IME is one between being able to slowly build a story, and becoming truly prolific.  I always wondered how some people could just go in there and churn it out at a high level - but now I know a method to get there.

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    #26807319 - 07/06/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've been out of town for a bit and am just returning to this thread - there's been a lot of interesting discussion, but this comment sticks out to me, in particular:

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you're just poisoning yourself to get high, but fine be an idiot and ridicule what I said.




First of all, I'll just say that calling someone an idiot just for disagreeing with you doesn't make your argument any more plausible. Since this is the Internet, I can't say I'm terribly surprised to see that sort of thing, but it's worth pointing out that it does nothing to support your argument. I started this thread to have a healthy discussion. I'm fine with people getting into arguments - arguments are useful tools for discovery and changing our understanding of the world. However, when you start throwing out insults at people you're only harming that discussion. So, let's be respectful moving forward, okay?

As for the question of whether or not mushrooms are poisonous, I don't think it's entirely straightforward. This isn't the first time I've heard the argument that psilocybin is poisonous. It comes up every once-in-a-while when I talk with other psychonauts or mycologists, which suggests to me that it's not a black-and-white issue, and that there's room for debate.

In my own opinion, I think it depends on what your definition of poison is. To that end, it could be that your disagreement with some of the other commenters just comes down to a matter of semantics. For example, if your definition of a poison is something that causes nausea and makes one feel sick, then sure, mushrooms are poisonous. However, I don't think that's the best definition of a poison.

I think a better definition of a poison is a substance which has a low LD50 (the LD50 of a substance is the dosage, measured usually in grams / kilogram of body weight at which 50 percent of subjects will die).

For example, cyanide is clearly a poison under the "LD50" definition - it only takes 3 milligrams per kilograms of body weight for 50 percent of subjects to die. Compare that to water, which would take a whopping 80,000 milligrams per kilogram of body weight for 50 percent of subjects to die.

From tests on mice, psilocybin (one of the active compounds in mushrooms) was estimated to have an LD50 of 280 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. A "strong" (subjective, I know) mushroom dosage is about 3.5 dried grams of P. Cubensis, which contains about 22 milligrams of psilocybin - far from the lethal dosage (at least, in mice - the LD50 for human beings may be much higher than that). So, based on the "LD50" definition, I'd hardly call a common mushroom trip a poisoning.

You can also read more about some of the somatic effects mushrooms have on humans from this 2002 study. Judging from those results, it looks like the most common somatic effects are accelerated heart rates, nausea, and increased reflexes (the effects on blood pressure seem inconclusive to me). I don't think that's enough to call psilocybin a poison, personally, as caffeine produces similar somatic effects, yet we generally don't consider caffeine to be a poison.

If I could make one last point about whether or not psilocybin is a poison, I'd end with this: any substance will make you feel sick (or even kill you) at a high enough dosage. Nutmeg tastes great in gingerbread cookies, but if you eat a couple tablespoons of the stuff you'll have a horrible night. Aspirin can save the life of someone having a heart attack, but downing 40 tablets of the stuff will kill ya. Different dosage == different effects, whether you're talking about psilocybin or water.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26807346 - 07/06/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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shrooms intoxicate you and the psychedelic high that you get from ingesting them is the poison circulating through your entire system, and coming down is the poison exiting your body.




Please provide evidence as this is completely contrary to all of the evidence available of how the actives in mushrooms work.


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    #26807391 - 07/06/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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From tests on mice, psilocybin (one of the active compounds in mushrooms) was estimated to have an LD50 of 280 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. A "strong" (subjective, I know) mushroom dosage is about 3.5 dried grams of P. Cubensis, which contains about 22 milligrams of psilocybin - far from the lethal dosage (at least, in mice - the LD50 for human beings may be much higher than that). So, based on the "LD50" definition, I'd hardly call a common mushroom trip a poisoning.




You're not calculating this correctly.  The 50% lethal dose extrapolated to humans, at about 60 kg body weight, is obviously far higher than for rats, at about 500 g body weight. The LD50 is 280 mg x 60 kg = 17 g, 1.7 kg if dried and 1% psilocybin, or 485 times a 3.5 g dried dose. The difficulty of actually consuming this lethal dose is extreme - and it's only fatal half of the time anyway. :laugh2:

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Psilocybin can kill in extremely high doses. The LD50 of psilocybin is 280 mg/kg for rats, this is about 1.5 times that of caffeine. In normal psychedelic mushrooms, psilocybin makes up about 1% of their weight. Therefore, nearly 1.7 kilograms of dried mushrooms, or 17 kilograms of fresh mushrooms, would be required for a 60 kg person to reach the 280 mg/kg LD50 rate of rats.




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    #26807453 - 07/06/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You're not calculating this correctly.  The 50% lethal dose extrapolated to humans, at about 60 kg body weight, is obviously far higher than for rats, at about 500 g body weight. The LD50 is 280 mg x 60 kg = 17 g, 1.7 kg if dried and 1% psilocybin, or 485 times a 3.5 g dried dose. The difficulty of actually consuming this lethal dose is extreme - and it's only fatal half of the time anyway. :laugh2:




Ah yes, you're absolutely right. Thanks for correcting me on that. I was calculating as though the person consuming the mushrooms only weighed 1 kg, which is absurd. Indeed, the lethal dosage of mushrooms for humans is rather high.


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    #26807597 - 07/06/20 05:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You're not calculating this correctly.  The 50% lethal dose extrapolated to humans, at about 60 kg body weight, is obviously far higher than for rats, at about 500 g body weight. The LD50 is 280 mg x 60 kg = 17 g, 1.7 kg if dried and 1% psilocybin, or 485 times a 3.5 g dried dose. The difficulty of actually consuming this lethal dose is extreme - and it's only fatal half of the time anyway. :laugh2:




Ah yes, you're absolutely right. Thanks for correcting me on that. I was calculating as though the person consuming the mushrooms only weighed 1 kg, which is absurd. Indeed, the lethal dosage of mushrooms for humans is rather high.




I'm probably not the first person to think this, but can you imagine the trip eating over a kilo of mushrooms? I'm not a huge guy but I can eat, and eating a kilo of anything will make you nauseaus, but holy crap if one of the veteran growers with trashcans full of dried fruits decided to make an extraction... You'd be 6 dimensions over to the left and 3 up before you hit the peak, you might die, but I think you'd meet God way before you actually did.

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    #26808072 - 07/06/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Mine as well. Mushrooms help me there, although I still haven't defeated it enough to take a heroic dose. But in time I will.




Can you say more here? Does your ego require more curtailing before you subject it to a death by psilocybin?


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    #26808576 - 07/07/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Mine as well. Mushrooms help me there, although I still haven't defeated it enough to take a heroic dose. But in time I will.




Can you say more here? Does your ego require more curtailing before you subject it to a death by psilocybin?




I believe so. It still holds onto this perceptive reality through fear.

I still have a number of behaviors that I feel are the consequence of a "larger than I would want" ego. Those behaviors seem contrary to the deep realms of the psychedelic experience. Thus, my ego, would not want to give up that life in exchange for its own death (obviously).

On a simple level, there is just a lot of fear born from the ego when thinking about a heroic dose. Although I do plan on taking one when I have a trip sitter. That is, at this point and time, my biggest concern. If I am to take a dose that may shatter my world, I'd like to have a trip sitter just in case.


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    #26808698 - 07/07/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Or to be statistically correct, you’d have a 50% chance of dying :cookiemonster:


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    #26809181 - 07/07/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There is no data for humans.  :cookiemonster:


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    #26809270 - 07/07/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If what Kilindhi Iyi used to preach was correct, there is no ceiling. By that, there is no limit to how far you can go, depending on how much dose you can stand. But he was only talking around the 30g dry mark. Could you imagine 100g, 200g, 1000g. It would be possible in what would probably be a really thick dark disgusting tasting tea. Do you reckon you could come back from that?

But yeah, whatever the LD50 turned out to be for humans, then if you took that dose, statistically you would have a 50% chance of dying.  I reckon it would be a slow death; I have experienced 1000s of years in 4 hours :eek:

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    #26809274 - 07/07/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’m pretty sure you would just black out / not remember anything significant if there was anything to remember at all.  That’s my guess.


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    #26809286 - 07/07/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Blacking out is one thing. To me, blacking out means you’re not aware of your surroundings. It doesn’t necessarily mean you are asleep.

I can think of only one time where I must have blacked out. Because I was in one part of town; when I came round a few hours later, I was in another part of town. I had no recollection of walking from A to B. While I was blacked out, the trip lasted literally thousands of years. I was a spark of energy in a void. And I was lonely.

But, the rub, The Blind Ass, I was fully aware while I was blacked out. Not of my surroundings, but of my existence. My lonely existence.

So yeah, I do agree you would probably black out. But you would still be experiencing something. You would remember it. I had a high dose once, and have remembered it for over 30 years bro.

But who knows, it’s serious shit!

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    #26809301 - 07/07/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

During one trip where I did harmalas+7grams+greens I experienced "microblackouts", my vision and experience pretty much was like a low FPS game, like 5 FPS equivalent. Walking around was sort of like a slideshow, and I tried watching a movie and it essentially was missing sub second long bits in it, making it unwatchable and same with music and this lasted for at least 30 minutes. It was a very strange experience...


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    #26809307 - 07/07/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wow. Now how about this for a radical suggestion (and at risk of getting slated for not being sensible). But why not try that dose again, but without the external visual inputs. Some subliminally low background music, lights off, then see where the blackouts take you.

These are the times where I could agree with someone’s trip report that they had experienced “ego death” :cookiemonster:

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    #26809313 - 07/07/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have done 7 grams again and very recently 8g and it hasn't happened again, I would like to explore this further lol.
It was also a trip where the ego split up into several distinct personas that I was switching between during those "blackouts", and one of them was distinctly freaked out.
A strange thing was that it seemed that during those "blackouts" the thoughts and desires were still carrying on of each of those personas, but I wasn't experiencing any of it, it simply felt like chunk of time was missing, immediate teleport to the next timeslot so to speak.


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    #26809318 - 07/07/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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During one trip where I did harmalas+7grams+greens I experienced "microblackouts", my vision and experience pretty much was like a low FPS game, like 5 FPS equivalent. Walking around was sort of like a slideshow, and I tried watching a movie and it essentially was missing sub second long bits in it, making it unwatchable and same with music and this lasted for at least 30 minutes. It was a very strange experience...



That's very interesting. By greens, I assume you mean cannabis. I have experienced the "slideshow" feeling from cannabis alone many times, but never from mushrooms.


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    #26809323 - 07/07/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, greens = cannabis. I haven't got any interesting effects from cannabis alone, other than massively enhanced hearing and reduction of nausea, pain and other bodily discomfort. I do some with every trip to cure the discomfort that the comeup normally causes and supress any discomfort in the stomach and later on boost the effects as the peak is over.


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During one trip where I did harmalas+7grams+greens I experienced "microblackouts", my vision and experience pretty much was like a low FPS game, like 5 FPS equivalent. Walking around was sort of like a slideshow, and I tried watching a movie and it essentially was missing sub second long bits in it, making it unwatchable and same with music and this lasted for at least 30 minutes. It was a very strange experience...



That's very interesting. By greens, I assume you mean cannabis. I have experienced the "slideshow" feeling from cannabis alone many times, but never from mushrooms.




I’ve had the same thing happen.  I was skipping around like I was lagging or missing frames .  Only took 1.2g of Ape.  I’ve done 6g Ape and it’s never happened there.  4.5G is my sweet spot.


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During one trip where I did harmalas+7grams+greens I experienced "microblackouts", my vision and experience pretty much was like a low FPS game, like 5 FPS equivalent. Walking around was sort of like a slideshow, and I tried watching a movie and it essentially was missing sub second long bits in it, making it unwatchable and same with music and this lasted for at least 30 minutes. It was a very strange experience...





I've had that happen - it was actually pretty cool.  :cookiemonster:


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    #26809519 - 07/07/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard for me imagine not being able to remember at least tid bits. I know the memories fade away with time but it seems like a monster dose won't be forgettable.


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    #26810130 - 07/08/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It's hard for me imagine not being able to remember at least tid bits. I know the memories fade away with time but it seems like a monster dose won't be forgettable.



It isn’t :cookiemonster:

Doesn’t mean the experience is “effable”, just that you can and do remember.

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