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What do mushrooms do to benefit you? * 1
    #26728776 - 06/08/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Well, the subject of the thread really puts it best. I've found that there's no straightforward answer to this question, which is a part of what's so fascinating about psychedelics. Mushrooms are often praised as a medicine, but it's not like most of the medicine you could pick up at a pharmacy. For example, if you get prescribed penicillin as a medicine (which, incidentally, also comes from a mushroom), you pretty much know how a person's body is going to respond to that (save for allergies). However, psilocybin isn't like that at all. The effect that psilocybin has on the body is much more personal and much more reflective of the user's environment and state of mind.

For me, the benefits of mushrooms depend on dosage and intent. At lower dosages (like microdosing all the way up to around 1.7 grams dried), I feel more energetic, inspired, and I find myself thinking outside the box. This can be useful if I need something to cheer me up or if I just want to look at things in a new way. At higher dosages (2.5 grams dried and higher), mushrooms start to become more of an ordeal, almost (though, not in a bad way). At 3.5 dried grams, things become less focused on myself and my own experiences. It can feel like my consciousness is a drop of water, and at 3.5 dried grams, that drop of water falls into the ocean and then there's just ocean for a few hours. This can often be a scary experience - it's pretty intense to just let go of your sense of self like that. However, I find that the medicinal aspect of it really begins once I come back down to reality. Surviving an experience like that makes everyday life feel like a blessing, and returning to normal consciousness feels like a breath of fresh air. Later on, once I've been sober for a while and have taken time to reflect on the experience, there's even more healing.

What about you guys? What do mushrooms do to benefit you?


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 2
    #26728890 - 06/08/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Two reasons to be honest.

I was first drawn to psychedelics by curiosity, and the first time I reached the headspace, I realised that was what I’d been searching for my whole life. I was 20 years old.

And that is what draws me back every time. It’s like a feeling of returning home, somehow, some when.

Last 4 years I’ve returned to psychedelics to self treat 40 years worth of depression. It has been a hard slog; the first 5 months were tough because the SSRIs remaining in my brain after complete abstention stopped any sort of full trip. But I kept on persevering and persevering. I decided I was depression free about 6 months ago. I’m not cured by any stretch, but life is actually worthwhile again. But to be brutally honest, it wasn’t the depression that kept me persevering; it was the search for the headspace.

Don’t know if I’m a shaman or something, born into a westerners body, because since that first trip 35 years ago,  I have never stopped thinking about psychedelics!

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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26728984 - 06/08/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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And that is what draws me back every time. It’s like a feeling of returning home, somehow, some when.





This.

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since that first trip 35 years ago,  I have never stopped thinking about psychedelics!





And this.

After my first trip, I was so blown away but my ego was smug and I proclaimed "I don't need to do this again" (referring to taking mushrooms). And yet, I couldn't stop thinking about it. What I had seen and felt. It was so alien and yet, so familiar.

Fast forward a year after the trip, I was talking to someone about my mushroom experience and they knew someone who had. My mind thought "OMG finally!". So I bought some but it was crap, I didn't feel anything and there was something off about them (they were cubes but now, knowing what I know, I suspect they were improperly dried).

Yet something kept gnawing at me. I finally put my ego aside and realized that the mushrooms were calling to me. It was weird, because I'm an atheist and I've never had a feeling of something immaterial, greater than myself, calling me to a mission. But I could not shake their call, the feeling that the mushroom was some sort of transcendental being, communicating with me. So I found this website and the rest is history :cool:

Mushrooms bring me closer to those around me.

Mushrooms make me face my fear.

Mushrooms give me a new perspective.

Mushrooms allow me moments of profound catharsis.

Mushrooms (not just consuming but the act of cultivating) make me feel whole again.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed] * 2
    #26729019 - 06/08/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Omg. I had a similar feeling of homecoming.

Now, I use psilocybin as an escape. I'll elaborate in a sec. 

  I had taken 4g and I was in the bathroom pooping when I got the idea that I should take more. I went into my kitchen and grabbed a handful out of my jar. I had no idea how much but the next day I weighed them out and I had eaten just over 4g.  So I was giving my gf a back rubwhen the second dose hit. I slumped down like it was dmt and I was in this jewled room. The floor the walls the decorations where all made of gems. I took a seat and I had a long conversation with an entity. I don't remember ever actually seeing it but I heard it. I don't remember the contents of the conversation. But right after I got up and I was so angry. I felt as if I had reached home. I was so mad that it's kept from us. I picked up my phone saw the time as was like, "what is time? I can do whatever I want, whenever."  This night was the night I let go. I was free.

  Then thing I was most upset about was that the experience is kept from us and that I only needed 180$ for an ounce in order to achieve this state. It was so stupid simple. Money can buy you happiness. Till this day it's the most significant moment in my life. 180 dollars and I'm here, it was bullshit. I spent Soo much of my life just fucking lost and worried. Now I'm still lost but ok with it all. No worries.


I suffer from anxiety. I worry about what people think, what they think of me etc. I usually dose at least 5g and I have found that this dose range is where I can escape my world for a few hours. I can gather my feelings and not be worried for a little while. I haven't tripped in over a year and a half now. The longer I've been doing this the less and less I feel the need to escape. But it's something that is invaluable to me.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26729029 - 06/08/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The ego can be a whinny little bitch.  Mine is anyway.

Regardless very well put.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26729035 - 06/08/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The ego can be a whinny little bitch.  Mine is anyway.

Regardless very well put.




Mine as well. Mushrooms help me there, although I still haven't defeated it enough to take a heroic dose. But in time I will.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26729062 - 06/08/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Last 4 years I’ve returned to psychedelics to self treat 40 years worth of depression. It has been a hard slog; the first 5 months were tough because the SSRIs remaining in my brain after complete abstention stopped any sort of full trip. But I kept on persevering and persevering. I decided I was depression free about 6 months ago. I’m not cured by any stretch, but life is actually worthwhile again. But to be brutally honest, it wasn’t the depression that kept me persevering; it was the search for the headspace.




I'm sorry to hear that you suffered depression for that long.
IME, depression isn't something I can ever cure. It's something I've learned to deal with in a graceful manner when it comes up. Depressing feelings will come and go in my own life. It's nice to hear that mushrooms have helped you with that! You mentioned there were SSRI's remaining in your brain - are you currently back on SSRI's, or did you get to a healthy enough space that you could stop taking them?

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since that first trip 35 years ago,  I have never stopped thinking about psychedelics!




:laugh: I can relate to that. Psychedelics have been an extremely important part of my life. I was passionate and curious about them even before I had ever tried any, and neither the passion nor the curiosity have died down.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26729083 - 06/08/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yet something kept gnawing at me. I finally put my ego aside and realized that the mushrooms were calling to me. It was weird, because I'm an atheist and I've never had a feeling of something immaterial, greater than myself, calling me to a mission. But I could not shake their call, the feeling that the mushroom was some sort of transcendental being, communicating with me. So I found this website and the rest is history :cool:




Man, I can relate to that. A little over a year ago, I reached a point where I couldn't even escape mushrooms even if I wanted to. Mycology is just a huge part of who I am, and sometimes it almost feels like psilocybin is the mushroom's way of communicating with us. Mycology is such a rewarding hobby to get into. Mycology offers food, a greater understanding of our ecosystem, psychedelic experiences, and cultivating can teach you other good habits like hygiene and patience.

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Mushrooms bring me closer to those around me.




Yes, I've also found that there's quite a community to be found in the world of mushrooms.

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Mushrooms give me a new perspective.




This is an interesting one for me. I can definitely relate here, as I've always felt that psychedelics offer a new way of looking at things. The thing is, lots of things can do that. Climbing to the top of a mountain will give you a different perspective, so I know there's more to the psychedelic experience than offering a new perspective. The problem seems to be putting those specific details into words. It seems like the sort of thing that really can't be described - it just has to be experienced.

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Mushrooms (not just consuming but the act of cultivating) make me feel whole again.




That's a really good point. I never considered cultivation a part of the medicinal aspect of mushrooms, but now that you mention it, it definitely is. Cultivation teaches you about patience, hygiene, and responsibility. My first few experiences with mushrooms came about as a result of my purchasing mushrooms from dealers or from just receiving mushrooms for free from friends. When I started cultivating cubes, it became a whole new experience. I'm aware of how much love and care I put into the cultivation process, and that always plays into my experiences with mushrooms now.

Thanks for sharing all of that!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26729103 - 06/08/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Then thing I was most upset about was that the experience is kept from us and that I only needed 180$ for an ounce in order to achieve this state. It was so stupid simple. Money can buy you happiness. Till this day it's the most significant moment in my life. 180 dollars and I'm here, it was bullshit. I spent Soo much of my life just fucking lost and worried. Now I'm still lost but ok with it all. No worries.





That's a very interesting point. I have felt a similar anger in my own life when thinking about the legal status of mushrooms and other psychedelics. These substances have only served to benefit me without harming anyone else, so it seems absurd that they should be illegal. However, I had an experience last summer when I saw a new documentary about mushrooms called Fantastic Fungi (if you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend it). I was tripping pretty hard when I saw the movie, and there was one interview with a researcher from John Hopkins who works with psychedelics. He was discussing the legal status of these substances, and commented on how one response to the legal history of psychedelics is to become angry. However, another response is to just be open about it.

That was when things started to click for me. I'm an educated person, I'm an active participant in society, and I'm a good neighbor and friend. If someone like me can articulate the reasons that psychedelics have helped me and share those experiences with the general public somehow, it might start to shift public opinion in a better direction. Thankfully, I can see this sort of shift happening in our world right now. I think Michael Pollan's recent book, How to Change Your Mind, was a giant step in the right direction. He's a very skeptical, educated man who has a voice that speaks to people who are currently in their 50's and 60's. His book not only shined a positive light on psychedelics, but also made his own personal experiences with these substances accessible to a wider audience. I have high hopes that this sort of discourse will continue, and maybe one day we will live in a world where psychedelics are more accessible to adults who want to use them safely.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26729217 - 06/08/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sorry to hear that you suffered depression for that long.
IME, depression isn't something I can ever cure. It's something I've learned to deal with in a graceful manner when it comes up. Depressing feelings will come and go in my own life. It's nice to hear that mushrooms have helped you with that! You mentioned there were SSRI's remaining in your brain - are you currently back on SSRI's, or did you get to a healthy enough space that you could stop taking them?


I weaned myself off the SSRIs after 7 years on a fairly high dose of sertraline,,100mg daily. My first day of zero medication was 2nd July 2016. I took my first mushroom tea in over 20 years a week later.

I got flutters of the mushroom experience, but all very underwhelming. I built up to a 9g dose of dried liberty caps, so almost 3x the heroic dose for semilanceata, with an “almost trip”. It wasn’t until 5 full months before I tripped. 7.5g dry liberty caps; and boy, what a first trip back. My plants turned into Rastafarians, dancing to the music, and visually interacting with me. I haven’t looked back :cookiemonster:

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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26729945 - 06/08/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's so awesome to hear, DJ Ed. Sounds like you're in a much better place. I have never been on SSRI's before, but from what I understand, getting off of them can be quite a journey. Thanks again for sharing your experience!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26730721 - 06/09/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A dumb metaphor maybe, but I feel like I'm stuck spinning around a whirlpool of depression and every year I come a full circle a little deeper in than last time. Shrooms are the main reason I haven't plummeted down past the point of recovery, for a little while they replace my defeatist attitude and nihilism with hope for the future, appreciation for myself and a feeling that there is more to life than I previously knew.

It's definitely a coping mechanism right now, but it's the least unhealthy coping mechanism I can think of. It could still be alcohol and weed but those only make things worse. It's weird, last year I would have written an entirely different answer about how shrooms turned my life around but I've lost all that progress in just a few months spent away from tripping.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Turvenuija]
    #26730893 - 06/09/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It's definitely a coping mechanism right now, but it's the least unhealthy coping mechanism I can think of. It could still be alcohol and weed but those only make things worse. It's weird, last year I would have written an entirely different answer about how shrooms turned my life around but I've lost all that progress in just a few months spent away from tripping.




I think that's a positive thing. I've found that people who medicate their problems with weed or alcohol tend to do so every single day, which can be quite the drain on one's life. Comparatively, people who medicate with large dosages of mushrooms get so shaken up by what they see that they can't handle doing it more than a handful of times per year - plus, the tolerance for mushrooms builds up quickly as well, preventing it from being realistically abused every day.

That said, there are people who abuse mushrooms, like any other drug. However, I don't think you're one of those people, considering it's been a few months since you've tripped. That doesn't sound like abuse to me. If mushrooms shake things up enough for you that you feel like there's more to life than you previously knew, I'd say that's pretty great medicine :smile:


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    #26731070 - 06/09/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I stumbled upon a system that worked for my depression. “Sweet spot” dose of 3.8g dry cubensis, every 2 weeks with NO excuses, completely alone. Don’t steer the trip or set intention, just trip and see where it goes. After about 3 months, you’ll notice the after glow doesn’t go away. At this point, consider your dosing regime, nd maybe tone it down a bit to see how life then pans out.

Take care, depression is a bastard
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    #26731251 - 06/09/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm almost 50 and started taking/growing mushrooms in October. Most trips in the 2.5-3.5 range. I find they allow me an escape for a few hours to find the true me & for a few weeks afterward I feel like I'm more of a spiritual person who just sees life in general. The best way to describe it is walking through a fire with all its chaos & still seeing the calmness & beauty in everything. Anger get reduced & I just live in the moment.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26731408 - 06/09/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, that sounds like quite the experience. The most I've ever taken was somewhere between 3.5 and 4 dried grams of cubensis, and that was with a couple of very close, trusted friends. I've only taken mushrooms alone twice, and both times were lower doses (1.7 grams the first time, 2 grams the second time). I plan on taking 3.5 dried grams alone at some point, but the thought of it scares me. However, when I really think about it, I realize that most of those fears are just my ego trying to protect itself.

I do have one legitimate fear, which is the fear of psychosis. However, even then, I don't think that fear is large enough for me to stay away from 3.5 grams alone for the rest of my life. I've had a really challenging trip before - one which really tested me, freaked me out, and brought up some of the worst aspects of myself. It shook me up, but I'm still not psychotic after that.


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    #26731689 - 06/09/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey it’s not a competition, these substances are serious stuff. So don’t feel bad or anything like that, each to his own. Work your way up. I had a really deep trip many decades ago tht has scared me deeply. It’s taken some “integration”. But 3.8g is a serious dose. But I find, for me, it’s just on the side of safety, if you know what I mean. The first time I tripped alone, meaning with absolutely no chance of rescue, was last September, October. After over 30 years on and off with mushrooms. And when the come up really started to gain pace, I had that sinking feeling. You know; “I’ve made a mistake”!

So what do you do buddy? You really are on your own. You have experience so know the worst possible way forward is to panic. So you rationalise the situation, you realise you’re not actually going to die, or anything untoward happen, you know it may be unpleasant and unnerving for a few (long) hours. So you think “fuck it, what have I got to lose”.

I’ll tell you, when I reached that stage last year, and let go. Wow, I was soon thanking the psychedelic gods. I had amazing experience after amazing experience, at forthrightly intervals.

I think my first trip was in 1987. My first trip truly alone was 2019. I don’t think I could ever enjoy a trip with “a sitter” ever again.

Take care, and go for it
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    #26731773 - 06/09/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey it’s not a competition, these substances are serious stuff.




Something that needs to be said to everyone before they even touch psychedelics. Too many people are trying to compare psychedelic dick sizes, fighting with each other who has taken more, had the bigger ego death, is the bigger psychonaut. None of that matters.

You take the dose that benefits you the most.

Someone taking 1g and meditating, then going out and helping others is more indicative of what this community stands for than someone taking 10g, tripping unbelievably hard and causing property damage, then going to some forums to brag how high they were.

(Not to say that happens at that dose or that people don't take small doses just to get high. The point is, how effective a dose is at making you a better you is more important than the size of the dose.).

I've been at this for a couple of years and I've yet to go past 3.5g. And even my 3g+ doses have been fewer than my experimentation in the 1-3g range.

But at the same time, don't be like me to the extent that you let the fear your ego produces hold you back. Many times I wanted to take a specific dose but my ego was afraid and I chickened out or took less than I wanted.

(I too had that same fear, will I go psycho or do something dumb at higher doses? Those thoughts never stopped me from drinking until I woke up the next day with no recollection of how I got there. Made me wonder what I am really afraid of).

This is your journey, you decide how and when to take it.


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26731778 - 06/09/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, definitely not a competition, and I'm not racing to have intense experiences on my own.

That's really inspiring, though. I love that idea of "fuck it, what have I got to lose" in an uncomfortable psychedelic setting. I think once you've been through that, you probably started to realize that you had everything to gain, and that's really beautiful.

I'm looking forward to my next solo trip. I think my next solo trip will be around 2.5 dried grams. It's not going to be for at least another month, but I'm already putting a lot of thought into my intention and what I hope to get out of the experience. Thanks again for your stories!


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Re: What do mushrooms do to benefit you? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26731798 - 06/09/20 03:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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You take the dose that benefits you the most.




Amen to that! Sometimes, your own experiences can even benefit other people as well. I know some of the insights I've gained during my own experiences have come back up in deep conversation with my loved ones, and I like to think that those insights have helped them, too.

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Thanks for the encouragement :smile: Good advice for anyone dabbling with these substances.


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