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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex] * 2
    #26726370 - 06/07/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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ichugwindex said:
I wish you would just stfu for a minute and give me a hug. Like drop all this shit and just love me.





:hug:


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: azzbo]
    #26726397 - 06/07/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:hug:


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26726499 - 06/07/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Asante, I am severely prejudiced against certain ethnic and/or religious groups. Im not denying this at all

This doesnt mean I would like them all to be transported to the gas-chambers.

Frankly speaking I dont really care about people outside my sphere of family and friends. And outside of traveling abroad I prefer to interact with people I can best relate too. We all have our own struggles


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26726511 - 06/07/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tripsurfer said:
I dont find this forum to be filled with racist shitheads at all.

Quite a lot of leftwing shitheads though, and as soon as you dont agree with them you are either a Fascist or a Nazi




Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
Asante, I am severely prejudiced against certain ethnic and/or religious groups. Im not denying this at all

This doesnt mean I would like them all to be transported to the gas-chambers.






I'm not saying that you're a Nazi, I'm saying that if you are, as you call it, severely prejudiced against certain ethnic and/or religious groups. you are less likely to notice the racist shitheads and very many more people will be considered "leftwing shitheads" than from where I'm standing, politically.

If you go to Paris, get on top of the Eiffel Tower you can look around and around over the Paris area and say: "where's the fucking Eiffel Tower?!"

In the 1940s, many members of the Nazi party were utterly shocked what happened in the camps. Many had been either utterly ignorant or distracting themselves from the truth during the war. They knew the Jews were going nowhere nice, but many held the opinion of work camps with a sustainable standard of living, instead of 600 calories of soup and bread and a striped pajama in the Polish winter. Even villagers right next to the camps often had no idea just how utterly horrid it was.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26726535 - 06/07/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I see posts from long time members that are maybe more "right" in nature.

I dont think I have seen people outright claiming white supremacy. That would probably be an offense punished with a ban too


Maybe my view is somewhat skewed by the discussion on Jezz Bezos' wealth


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26726549 - 06/07/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tripsurfer said:
I see posts from long time members that are maybe more "right" in nature.




Both Democrats and Republicans are more rightwing than the Nazi party was so thats not surprising.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26726582 - 06/07/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
tantrika thats a perfect gif




We discussed it a lot in Tantric Buddhism studies, my professor was a big sci-fi fan :lol:
it was used to "explain" enlightenment and the seemingly non-enlightened actions of some masters
Marpa Lotsāwa was known for drunkeness and fighting since his childhood
but also for continuing to drink heavily and beat some of his disciples and potentially wife and children
after becoming a recognized enlightened master and single-handedly carrying a teaching lineage from India to Tibet

like psychedelics, enlightenment does not change conventional personality




This is something that I have continually run up against in spiritual goups. What I don't get is the apologism for toxicity enacted by "the  (supposedly) enlightened". I spent a lot of time on the edges of a certain Zen lineage about 10 years ago - never went full in, but some of the members of the local Zendo that I was active at were ordained. Several of them had some pretty questionable ideas and practices in their personal lives. My ex-husband, who turned out to have made up his ordination credentials (before I met him... he was an abusive gas-lighter and it turned out to be this whole thing and was a flash-in-the-pan controversy in the wider Zen community at the time), was waaaaay in to citing Chogyam Trungpa's abusive behavior as an explanation for his own 'crazy wisdom'... it was disgusting. I have spent a lot of time since then questioning the way these eastern spiritual practices have morphed in the west... when so many of the teachers who came to import it here and gather these large followings to disseminate them kinda went crazy on power along the way. Is it the relative lack of constraints here as opposed to the more regimented monastic communities that they came from? I dunno. The same thing has happened in yoga. Over the last 10 years this same cycle of controversy surrounding abusive practices (particularly with sex and money) continues to play out over and over again with well known leaders in both communities.

At any rate, to bring it back to the question of the original post, I do tend to agree that sustained psychological work (and willingness to see one's inherent prejudices and blind-spots) is necessary to bring about lasting change in one's point of view. It is one thing to have a revelatory moment (or trip), and sometimes there are the rare cases where personality change is immediate and sustained (and that includes negative as well as positive personality change), but introspection -- and enacting changes in one's thought and actions based on that introspection -- should be a lasting effort.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726597 - 06/07/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)




Doxxing a member

Having an admin take it away.

Re-doxxing said member by editing the moderated post to repeat the infraction.



I'll re-edit my ban of you, too.


Edited by Asante (06/07/20 01:33 PM)


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ModularMind] * 2
    #26726608 - 06/07/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

take that fucking name out of your post right now

the fuck is your problem


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26726611 - 06/07/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah posting someone's personal info is hella bannable I believe. How did he know your name?


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ModularMind]
    #26726614 - 06/07/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

As suspected.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Aesc]
    #26726622 - 06/07/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Aesc said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
tantrika thats a perfect gif




We discussed it a lot in Tantric Buddhism studies, my professor was a big sci-fi fan :lol:
it was used to "explain" enlightenment and the seemingly non-enlightened actions of some masters
Marpa Lotsāwa was known for drunkeness and fighting since his childhood
but also for continuing to drink heavily and beat some of his disciples and potentially wife and children
after becoming a recognized enlightened master and single-handedly carrying a teaching lineage from India to Tibet

like psychedelics, enlightenment does not change conventional personality




This is something that I have continually run up against in spiritual goups. What I don't get is the apologism for toxicity enacted by "the  (supposedly) enlightened". I spent a lot of time on the edges of a certain Zen lineage about 10 years ago - never went full in, but some of the members of the local Zendo that I was active at were ordained. Several of them had some pretty questionable ideas and practices in their personal lives. My ex-husband, who turned out to have made up his ordination credentials (before I met him... he was an abusive gas-lighter and it turned out to be this whole thing and was a flash-in-the-pan controversy in the wider Zen community at the time), was waaaaay in to citing Chogyam Trungpa's abusive behavior as an explanation for his own 'crazy wisdom'... it was disgusting. I have spent a lot of time since then questioning the way these eastern spiritual practices have morphed in the west... when so many of the teachers who came to import it here and gather these large followings to disseminate them kinda went crazy on power along the way. Is it the relative lack of constraints here as opposed to the more regimented monastic communities that they came from? I dunno. The same thing has happened in yoga. Over the last 10 years this same cycle of controversy surrounding abusive practices (particularly with sex and money) continues to play out over and over again with well known leaders in both communities..




You might be happy to know I’ve spent years attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff regarding Zen schools and their major existing lineages.  If you ever get deeply back into that life and are looking for a real deal sangha with a genuinely extraordinarily ordinary teacher whose not got the stink of enlightenment, and who makes Zero excuses for immoral behavior, and lived/lives and walks the talk - let me know over PM :pm:

You may see me joke around and goof off a lot in the Pub, but that’s just an online persona, offline I generally do not act or live so heedlessly.  Take care!


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ModularMind]
    #26726644 - 06/07/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ModularMind said:



Doxxing a member

Having an admin take it away.

Re-doxxing said member by editing the moderated post to repeat the infraction.



I'll re-edit my ban of you, too.




thank you, asante


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi] * 1
    #26726651 - 06/07/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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psi said:
Yeah posting someone's personal info is hella bannable I believe. How did he know your name?




It was a line from a movie. :laugh2:


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #26726654 - 06/07/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it sounds like it may just have lined up by coincidence.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis]
    #26726657 - 06/07/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Was it an accident?

Ive heard of that happening.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi] * 2
    #26726660 - 06/07/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

He did not originally post it as a movie quote, he edited it after asante deleted his post

The first time may have been uninentional but i specifically PMd him asking to delete snd instead he just reframed it as a quote even after asante deleted


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26726667 - 06/07/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Even if it were an innocent mistake initially, re-editing a moderated post to re-include the same information about the person is utterly prohibited, especially since in reactuions it was already established that, quote or no quote, it was a factual namedrop.

Contact the staffer or write a support ticket "a terrible mistake was made" but do NOT repeat the infraction after having been moderated for it because thats defiance and that gets you tazed or, in this case, have a 16 day ban turn into a 100.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26726675 - 06/07/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I guess even if he did not have special knowledge of that info the first time, he did when reposting it.


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Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi] * 1
    #26726696 - 06/07/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Classic Sith mind trick


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