Home | Community | Message Board

NorthSpore.com BOOMR Bag!
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11  [ show all ]
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) * 3
    #26725170 - 06/06/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.psymposia.com/magazine/lucy-in-the-sky-with-nazis-psychedelics-and-the-right-wing/

Lucy In The Sky With Nazis: Psychedelics and the Right Wing

Psychedelic advocates have long asserted that broader psychedelic use will lead to a more open, progressive society, but there are too many instances of right-wingers who have taken them for that to be true.

Quote:

Surely, this is a confused, early 21st Century phenomenon–“pearls before swine”, and all that. If only it were that simple. It’s no secret that Albert Hofmann’s early tripping buddy was conservative German war hero and novelist, Ernst Jünger. Hofmann devoted a whole chapter of LSD–My Problem Child to him, entitled, Radiance from Jünger. Jünger was a German army captain who never accepted Nazi Party membership (or a seat at the Reichstag), but by his own admission supported Hitler’s goals…until 1938. Most would not associate the word “psychonaut” with a Wehrmacht officer functioning as a Nazi censor in occupied France, however, that is precisely who coined the term. Jünger seems (intellectually, at the very least) to have rejected the Nazis at key moments in his career. Post-war, despite being regarded as a “fellow-traveller” of the Nazis, Jünger’s reputation was rehabilitated and he died a celebrated, if  controversial and enigmatic literary figure.

The person who has meditated most deeply on Jünger, psychedelics, and the far right thus far is author and researcher, Alan Piper. Piper plumbs the topic in his 2014 monograph, Strange Drugs Make for Strange Bedfellows. Therein, Piper asserts that psychedelic culture survived on the fringe, which put it in contact with the castoffs of both the right and left. Because the fringe (i.e. subcultures) often has low standards for membership, right-wing invasion of subcultures becomes possible through a recruitment strategy called entryism. A failed example of entryism is when alt-right media pariah Milo Yiannopolous’ recently rebranded himself as a furry in an attempt to insinuate himself into the furry community by announcing he would participate in MidWest FurFest 2019. The furs saw through the ruse and rejected Yinnopolous’ attempt to hijack their community, barring him from attendance.





the article is a lot longer, take a gander.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 6
    #26725173 - 06/06/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:strokebeard:


I've always wondered about the weird smattering of neo nazis here, very small but loud minority. I wondered wtf they got out of shrooms, what they saw, if it just entrenched their racist fucked up beliefs when for most people, mushrooms help them forge a connection with humanity as a whole - and if so, why? Made me wonder why, why, why.



Whelp. That answers that :shrug:. Thanks!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26725175 - 06/06/20 10:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

to be perfectly honest, if we are trying to convert nazis, I think MDMA in a setting where they are forced to be around the people they stereotype is the most effective way to go


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrDice
Pilzkopp
I'm a teapot


Registered: 05/04/20
Posts: 4
Last seen: 1 month, 7 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725185 - 06/06/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It is strange...there is a german forum about Magic Mushrooms and a lot of right winged people are messing around there.

Probably they never took 5g in silent total darkness :grin:


--------------------
the mushroom told me: "life is beautiful" 🌈


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrDice] * 4
    #26725188 - 06/06/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

look you guys i got someone to join just to reply to this thread


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrDice]
    #26725190 - 06/06/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: zZZz]
    #26725192 - 06/06/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

seriously though I am curious can you link me to said forum?

i met a german guy who was deeply into psychs in spain and he was a racist shithead :shrug:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOvoidhunter
Buttery Crescent
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/17/16
Posts: 2,016
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: zZZz] * 6
    #26725195 - 06/06/20 11:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

People seem to think im racist. However when I do high doses like 6 or 7g, I never have had a bad trip cause im not racist and I dont think about racist shit. I think the term gets thrown around too much. For example whenever someone hears that I live in the south they call me a racist automatically as if I wouldn't know myself if I was prejudiced against other races. That in turn makes me feel like everyone is against me. It makes me think no matter what I say-I am the enemy to the woke progressive types.

If that makes sense.:shrug:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26725196 - 06/06/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

nah it doesnt really make any sense, I tell people I live in the south all the time and I dont get accused of being racist :shrug:

if it makes you feel any better i definitely did not have you in mind when I made this thread


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26725199 - 06/06/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

lol



--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOvoidhunter
Buttery Crescent
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/17/16
Posts: 2,016
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725201 - 06/06/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just thought I would share my prospective since people have called me racist. Carry on .


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: zZZz]
    #26725203 - 06/06/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

maybe he would look like that tho




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 7
    #26725207 - 06/06/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anti white stuff is still racist AF. It seems so socially acceptable to say "fuck white people" etc. Makes me barf

Hate is hate and I have no room in my heart for it.


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Edited by ichugwindex (06/06/20 11:24 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725213 - 06/06/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:tldr:


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead]
    #26725223 - 06/06/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Also OP is a racist. So is that guy who took mushrooms to prove he wasn't racist.


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #26725237 - 06/06/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

see how they come out of the woodwork

literal and figurative shitheads alike


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725239 - 06/06/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i read teh article yo


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725242 - 06/06/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I feel like your implication is that my last post was racist. Nice and intentionally vague your post was though.


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: zZZz]
    #26725244 - 06/06/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

not you, shithead and windex

theres a few more around, I'm sure they'll find their way into this thread eventually.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725245 - 06/06/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

u tryna bait bro?...


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex] * 2
    #26725246 - 06/06/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ichugwindex said:
I feel like your implication is that my last post was racist. Nice and intentionally vague your post was though.



TBH, I'm actually not entirely sure you specifically are a racist. you are contrarian about everything which makes me think you're just one of these edgelord people who gets off on bringing whatever community you go into down to your own level of cognitive disharmony


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: zZZz]
    #26725248 - 06/06/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

zZZz said:
u tryna bait bro?...



not at all. this is a discussion that needs to be had in the community. many of us have wondered how it is possible for people so consumed with bitterness to remain so bitter even after using psychedelics because we have this intuition that taking psychedelics chips away at your ability to be bitter at the world. the article provides some interesting historical insights that challenge that intuition


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725252 - 06/06/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:ytho:


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead]
    #26725253 - 06/06/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone is racist in fact. Get over it. Rasicm isnt a product of a society. Society is a product of racism. Read a history book. Racism is healthy to a certain extent.

Most of us agree that mass genocide isn't right. However, most of us would probably be okay with segregation. Especially now that we've gotten used to it.


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead] * 2
    #26725259 - 06/06/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

yup

there it is

just as baffling as ever

my intuition is tell you to take some shrooms but clearly that intuition is wrong.

maybe go get some therapy? make a friend? like, an actual friend.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: zZZz]
    #26725264 - 06/07/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

zZZz said:
:ytho:



you might want to slow down :shrug: only cuz I care, you seem like a really nice guy, but something is off about you tonight


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725268 - 06/07/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)




0:28 / 7:22:53
Martin A. Lee Acid Dreams The Complete Social History of LSD The CIA Part 01 Audiobook


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26725270 - 06/07/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Morrowasted, why do you insist on being wrong every chance you get?


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26725272 - 06/07/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I love everyone for the most part morrowasted. I have black in laws that I treat as my own flesh and blood. That being said I cant stand the popular "fuck white people" narrative that people are even allowed to speak on public tv and in society in general with like 0% consequences because the racism is directed at white people. Racism is racism.

I like you but your every post comes with this air of superiority since the US went to shit. I still love you. It's just the whole know it all thing.


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead]
    #26725273 - 06/07/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I dont use my ignore list often


but when I do, you might wanna take a look in the mirror


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26725275 - 06/07/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ichugwindex said:
I love everyone for the most part morrowasted. I have black in laws that I treat as my own flesh and blood. That being said I cant stand the popular "fuck white people" narrative that people are even allowed to speak on public tv and in society in general with like 0% consequences because the racism is directed at white people. Racism is racism.

I like you but your every post comes with this air of superiority since the US went to shit. I still love you. It's just the whole know it all thing.



I never said fuck white people. Stop throwing a pity party for yourself.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex] * 3
    #26725277 - 06/07/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I wish you would just stfu for a minute and give me a hug. Like drop all this shit and just love me.


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725279 - 06/07/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

wow this thread just got much shorter

fascinating


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26725280 - 06/07/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ichugwindex



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26725282 - 06/07/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I agree. If humbleness was a vitamin, morrowasted is serverly difficient. That being said, I may not see his points because he isn't offering an alternative perspective. Maybe he should be more insightful instead of contemptuous.


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26725286 - 06/07/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)



Psychedelics did not change my perceptions so much as open them to a willingness to be challenged

perhaps the reason for active sentiments of this sort is because those of discriminatory standards are seeking to have them challenged
but consider them to be too core to their personality for them to be changed

Quote:

morrowasted said:
to be perfectly honest, if we are trying to convert nazis, I think MDMA in a setting where they are forced to be around the people they stereotype is the most effective way to go




honestly of the view that psychedelics use in such a setting may also be potentially productive
there is that stretch after a trip where the individual is kind of put back together in a manner to be able to cope with returning to the working world
perhaps proper teaching in the state of malleability could have a more lasting effect


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 5 minutes, 49 seconds
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26725287 - 06/07/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’ve met and hung out with a mushroom hunter and psychonaut who was a high ranking political appointee in the Trump administration. I started a couple patches with spawn he had been using to experiment with cultivating techniques.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (06/07/20 12:19 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: koods]
    #26725292 - 06/07/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
I’ve met and hung out with a mushroom hunter and psychonaut who was a high ranking political appointee in the Trump administration.



eh, not everyone trump appointed was a piece of shit or even a fan of trump IIRC. dude has fired as many more people as he has hired

tantrika thats a perfect gif


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26725310 - 06/07/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

pirate-blues said:
Ichugwindex






thatz me yo


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26725316 - 06/07/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He'd rather put me on ignore than give out one single hug :sad: I was just hoping he would come down from his ivory tower and be a human for 30 seconds. It is what it is


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26725332 - 06/07/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A hug? All I wanted was for him to explain how I have gone astray. Much less energy to do that. Instead I guess I'll never see  his point of view. I'm sure his views are as flawless and altruistic as he keeps trying to convince himself they are.


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead]
    #26725348 - 06/07/20 12:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Point taken man. I understand. I just really wanted that hug. He just gave me my first 0 shroom rating and I'm not gonna lie it hurts my feelings.


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26725351 - 06/07/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:hugitout: check your rating.


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #26725353 - 06/07/20 12:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
see how they come out of the woodwork

literal and figurative shitheads alike



You started a passive aggressive thread that’s literally calling everyone who has a different opinion than you a nazi.
Quote:

zZZz said:
u tryna bait bro?...




He sure is.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725360 - 06/07/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
see how they come out of the woodwork

literal and figurative shitheads alike




See example below for a rare glimpse at one of these majestic - yet confused - creatures in its natural habitat.

:keyboardwarrior:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenooneman
Male

Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,561
Loc: Utah
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 6
    #26725364 - 06/07/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you ask me, psychedelics tend to make people more of what they already are, to deepen preexisting belief and give confidence to preexisting ideas. I've more often seen people come away believing more strongly what they already believed than to have their beliefs changed. When beliefs do change under the influence, I think it tends to be more like the person becoming more of who they are, and casting off outside influence, rather than being more open to outside influence and less of who they are. I've seen so many people become increasingly extreme and increasingly confident after psychedelics, much more so than I've seen people become less extreme and less confident.

For example, I'm sure many of you have had revelations about what you should be doing with your life under psychedelics. That may lead to career changes, or choosing a direction in life. But the revelation itself is often more like revealing what you truly, deeply want or need, a casting off of outside influence and a reversion to who you truly were all along. It isn't like an outside influence changing you, just the opposite, it's more like a reversion to who you truly were all along. An enhancement of preexisting personality traits, desires, needs, wants, beliefs, etc.

So I think that people with preexisting liberal belief are probably made more confident in those beliefs, and people with preexisting conservative beliefs are also made more confident in them. And so people with racist beliefs I think would naturally be likely to double down on and come away with increasing confidence in those beliefs rather than rejecting them.

Of course, the effects of psychedelics are so random and unpredictable and uncontrollable that anything is possible, but I don't think that psychedelics naturally lead someone towards or away from any given political position or ideology.

It might be possible to make someone less racist by trying to alter their minds in some way while they're under the influence, but that's just a function of the ability to alter someone's mind while they're under the influence of psychedelics more broadly.

Also, small forums are easier for people who have been banned elsewhere to access. If you can't spread your ideas on reddit and facebook, that naturally forces you to smaller communities which may be less willing or less able to ban members. Along with that, I think the role of state actors is also a factor. Small forums are probably an ideal setting for state actors to try to stir up racial tensions undetected and without serious risk.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725367 - 06/07/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
tantrika thats a perfect gif




We discussed it a lot in Tantric Buddhism studies, my professor was a big sci-fi fan :lol:
it was used to "explain" enlightenment and the seemingly non-enlightened actions of some masters
Marpa Lotsāwa was known for drunkeness and fighting since his childhood
but also for continuing to drink heavily and beat some of his disciples and potentially wife and children
after becoming a recognized enlightened master and single-handedly carrying a teaching lineage from India to Tibet

like psychedelics, enlightenment does not change conventional personality


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika]
    #26725369 - 06/07/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Katsu!


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: nooneman]
    #26725401 - 06/07/20 01:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
It might be possible to make someone less racist by trying to alter their minds in some way while they're under the influence, but that's just a function of the ability to alter someone's mind while they're under the influence of psychedelics more broadly.




Think this is both a fair and unfair way to describe it
if we recognize that psychedelics reinforce beliefs, then it is not per se altering an individual's mind
it is moreso that the individual is more open and receptive to new information and experiences
and a matter of whether or not that enhanced openness can help foster understanding where it was not getting through otherwise

am really fond of the figure Daryl Davis


he sought first to learn why people like the KKK could hate him without knowing him
then he sought to befriend them and change their perceptions through first hand experience
to my knowledge, he does not employ MDMA or psychedelics in his work
but find myself thinking that he could make those connections more quickly with someone who does not come to the table on the defensive


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTripsurfer
Bring Back Asante!
Male


Registered: 08/01/12
Posts: 7,129
Loc: West of Windward Flag
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26725408 - 06/07/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics dont show you "The Truth"

Perhaps they show you what your truth is

For me, they force me to accept the absolute subjectivity in everything I perceive/think. In that regards they actually strengthen my nihilistic convictions

So yes, basically what Nooneman states. Psychedelics can def strengthen preexisting convictions


--------------------
Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26725439 - 06/07/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

They reflect one’s own psyche, like dreams do, only for a trip you are awake for it. 
They don’t necessarily have anything to do with truth, that all is up to the individual user. 
Same reason why two people can have the same belief.  Both trip, but one may become delusional - thinking what they have seen in Mind is the only singular expression of truth.  Becoming less tolerant of those with another expression of the same thing.

Meanwhile, the other person may recognize the intellect as a faculty of Mind, one that is no small part responsible for fabricating and maintaining their own beliefs  etc etc

And in recognizing this phenomena as a universal  characteristic of the human Mind, something that unifies us all, as a shared phenomena.
And so becomes more tolerant to all people’s expression & comprehension of truth and more accepting or understanding  of others.


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Edited by The Blind Ass (06/07/20 01:58 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetomnl
Beginner
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/16/08
Posts: 1,635
Loc: Under the shroom
Last seen: 23 minutes, 38 seconds
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26725481 - 06/07/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This whole ´racist hunt´ is getting eerily close to the witch hunt of the 1600`s. Would you float?


--------------------
Been away so long I hardly knew the place
Gee, it's good to be back home
Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case
Honey disconnect the phone
I'm back in the USSA
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSA


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: tomnl]
    #26725486 - 06/07/20 02:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

tomnl said:
This whole ´racist hunt´ is getting eerily close to the witch hunt of the 1600`s. Would you float?




:rofl:
"eerily close"
:lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShiithead
Your Huckleberry
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/05/13
Posts: 9,997
Loc: God's Flat Green Earth
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: tomnl]
    #26725490 - 06/07/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone is racist. If you claim you are not, you don't understand psychology or you are suspect of something far more serious than ignorance.


--------------------

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAvvruk
Stranger
Male

Registered: 06/05/20
Posts: 21
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead] * 1
    #26725507 - 06/07/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Right wing does not mean nazi. Many people use shrooms to connect with ancient pagan gods. There's nothing wrong with nationalism.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleONE OZ SLUG
-
Male

Registered: 05/22/13
Posts: 17,839
Loc: TX
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Shiithead]
    #26725508 - 06/07/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As a virulent racist and staunch supporter of Hitler, I can confirm that mushrooms do not cure racism. They just make you gay.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleONE OZ SLUG
-
Male

Registered: 05/22/13
Posts: 17,839
Loc: TX
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Avvruk] * 2
    #26725510 - 06/07/20 02:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Avvruk said:
Right wing does not mean nazi. Many people use shrooms to connect with ancient pagan gods. There's nothing wrong with nationalism.



Another puppet for the books


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAvvruk
Stranger
Male

Registered: 06/05/20
Posts: 21
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26725514 - 06/07/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Explain?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleONE OZ SLUG
-
Male

Registered: 05/22/13
Posts: 17,839
Loc: TX
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Avvruk]
    #26725516 - 06/07/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure somebody will


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26725517 - 06/07/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ONE OZ SLUG said:
:braindamage: i wuv all people


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrian Jones
Club 27
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,340
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 5 hours, 34 minutes
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: tomnl] * 3
    #26725740 - 06/07/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

tomnl said:
This whole ´racist hunt´ is getting eerily close to the witch hunt of the 1600`s. Would you float?




Well, the witches were not partially witches. The people who get called racists are usually racists, or more likely, partially racist. I think everyone harbors a bit of racism, but when I say partially racist I'm thinking more or less halfway racist. In my experience this group will never acknowledge it and remains convinced that they are being fair while they infatuate on a world filled (in their minds), with reverse discrimination.


--------------------
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSugabearcrisp
Not Your Average Bear
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/14/19
Posts: 12,047
Loc: maybe I had too much, too fast
Last seen: 1 day, 2 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26725763 - 06/07/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well the neonazi aryan brotherhood controls significant parts of the drug trade inside and out of prisons. One might expect a few members to seek out drug manuafacture information found here.

https://www.salon.com/2013/03/19/inside_the_aryan_brotherhoods_prison_heroin_empire_partner/

In related news pyschedelics are not a silver bullet to fix people, as Saratonin eloquently explained.



--------------------
Indirect Weighing tek


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelarry.fisherman
shoulda died already
I'm a teapot

Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 36,294
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725838 - 06/07/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics are a strange fruit. They can help reconstruct who you are, or reinforce it. I think that's why it's not for everyone. It's why it was used as a tool for mind control. It's up to the user and environmental stimuli to guide the experience, but without prior experience  either first hand or from another person it's too easy for it to go either way. So for that reason the psychedelic community will always be varied more than its participants like.


Edited by larry.fisherman (06/07/20 10:24 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: larry.fisherman] * 3
    #26725850 - 06/07/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Niche.

I used to to want eveeeryyone and their mothers to directly known the full psychedelic experience, but later on I recognized how foolish and the potential harm that would follow if that actually happened.  If that happened I would imagine we would have to convert a few of those city sized prisons into psychiatric wards & facilities to accommodate the onslaught of people who were unable to cope with the experience, or those who would be unnerved & lose their mind, or develop problems that followed them into daily life even after the trip ended.  etc


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrian Jones
Club 27
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,340
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 5 hours, 34 minutes
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26725860 - 06/07/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Sugabearcrisp said:
Well the neonazi aryan brotherhood controls significant parts of the drug trade inside and out of prisons. One might expect a few members to seek out drug manuafacture information found here.

https://www.salon.com/2013/03/19/inside_the_aryan_brotherhoods_prison_heroin_empire_partner/

In related news pyschedelics are not a silver bullet to fix people, as Saratonin eloquently explained.






In prison yes. Outside there is some AB for sure. There are biker gangs running meth and some other things, and there is racism yes, but outlaw bikers are seldom AB.


--------------------
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26725865 - 06/07/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

During the civil rights era 30% of whites didnt feel blacks were being treated racially unfairly.

I guess it was the same number in the 1920s when you had a lynching every month and now in 2020.

The Dutch say "onbekend maakt onbemind" which translates to that people do not love that and those they do not know or understand.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemycosis
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 19,727
Loc: USSA Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante] * 5
    #26725897 - 06/07/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Did the Dutch have that saying during the 250 years they were the leaders of the Transatlantic slave trade?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26725900 - 06/07/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Luv u morrowasted, my bad bout all teh bs earlier :heart:


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis] * 3
    #26725908 - 06/07/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mycosis said:
Did the Dutch have that saying during the 250 years they were the leaders of the Transatlantic slave trade?





Do you feel stomped in your nationalistic sac for what I wrote?

Yes, the Dutch were horrid slave traders, we were among the first to get in the slave trade and the last to get out.

The blackface tradition of Black Pete and thje staunch unwillingness of my racially retarded majority countrymen still reflects that.

We are both from very racist countries that owe a lot of their success due to racist economic activities, back then and now.

Can you say that with me?


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26725919 - 06/07/20 08:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Luv u too Asante aiight I’m out :heart:


--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26725933 - 06/07/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

zZZz said:
u tryna bait bro?...



not at all. this is a discussion that needs to be had in the community. many of us have wondered how it is possible for people so consumed with bitterness to remain so bitter even after using psychedelics because we have this intuition that taking psychedelics chips away at your ability to be bitter at the world. the article provides some interesting historical insights that challenge that intuition




To honest here, the only person demonstrating a high degree of bitterness is you at this point.

Do you think people really recognize their own biases? 

Have you looked in the mirror and asked yourself about all of your biases against all sorts of different environments and people?  Or did you skip with the self reflection, pat yourself on the back for not being 'racist' and then demand to others who disagree with you about their potential biases? The self righteousness is a little overwhelming here.


Edited by qman (06/07/20 08:40 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTripsurfer
Bring Back Asante!
Male


Registered: 08/01/12
Posts: 7,129
Loc: West of Windward Flag
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: qman] * 6
    #26725953 - 06/07/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I dont find this forum to be filled with racist shitheads at all.

Quite a lot of leftwing shitheads though, and as soon as you dont agree with them you are either a Fascist or a Nazi


--------------------
Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelarry.fisherman
shoulda died already
I'm a teapot

Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 36,294
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26725965 - 06/07/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Quote:

mycosis said:
Did the Dutch have that saying during the 250 years they were the leaders of the Transatlantic slave trade?





Do you feel stomped in your nationalistic sac for what I wrote?

Yes, the Dutch were horrid slave traders, we were among the first to get in the slave trade and the last to get out.

The blackface tradition of Black Pete and thje staunch unwillingness of my racially retarded majority countrymen still reflects that.

We are both from very racist countries that owe a lot of their success due to racist economic activities, back then and now.

Can you say that with me?



Every major society is historically implicated with slavery and racial injustice. Ottomans loved whitey and there's apparently evidence some of those black slaves were sold and not stolen. It is what it is. Pointing it out doesn't make you a hypocrite it just makes you self aware and lucky enough to be born in the aftermath of deranged societies rather than their climax. Most people around here just have strong opinions more than anything else.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleR.I.P.Zappa
Myco Melyco


Registered: 03/30/18
Posts: 1,212
Loc: In Between Space and Time Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: qman]
    #26725998 - 06/07/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well if a person lacks compassion or has an over active fear response in the amygdala it would make sense that psychedelics are gonna compound the issue rather than relieve it. 

This is why they carefully screen people before the studies.

Psychedelics are not a magic bullet but more of a magic amplifier.

Also keep in mind humans are emotional creatures. Calling people shit heads is a sure fire way to get emotional responses retorted back in kind.


--------------------
-The heaviest thing one will ever carry is a thought-
-"Like a Blind man In an orgy you gotta feel things out.".-
-When we agree about our hallucinations, we call it “reality".-
-If you defy authority because your told to, that's no better than blindly trusting authority.-

psychonautwiki.org

How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
BOD's Easy AF OAT prep tek.
Principles of mushroom growing for beginners


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: tomnl]
    #26726037 - 06/07/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

tomnl said:
This whole ´racist hunt´ is getting eerily close to the witch hunt of the 1600`s. Would you float?



No because witches are not real but racist people are. And no, i am not afraid of being called a racist because not only do i not do racist things, virtually my entire professional life consists of helping and advocating for the well being of undocumented immigrants. If anything i am more afraid of being attacked by the racists for being a "sympathizer" if shit were to really hit the fan


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 5
    #26726042 - 06/07/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
I dont find this forum to be filled with racist shitheads at all.

Quite a lot of leftwing shitheads though, and as soon as you dont agree with them you are either a Fascist or a Nazi






There are literally people who cross post to stormfront though.


I think mods and admins have done a pretty good job of rooting them and their puppets out and banning them.


This isn't about disagreeing with the left or being conservative or centrist, this is about being a literal neo nazi.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 4
    #26726043 - 06/07/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
I dont find this forum to be filled with racist shitheads at all.

Quite a lot of leftwing shitheads though, and as soon as you dont agree with them you are either a Fascist or a Nazi



Several of them showed up in this thread alone. If you cant see it...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 3
    #26726049 - 06/07/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
I dont find this forum to be filled with racist shitheads at all.

Quite a lot of leftwing shitheads though, and as soon as you dont agree with them you are either a Fascist or a Nazi





You have a thing against Muslims tho, if I recall correctly. People of Arabic descent, Moroccans dont score high with you in terms of positive expectations, off the bat.




--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26726091 - 06/07/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting phenomenon this. I always wondered about the reasons too. I came to the conclusion that these folks dont take psychedelics or they take them too rarely to have a positive impact on their personality because they dont seek that


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: InnerWisdom] * 1
    #26726107 - 06/07/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

During the flower power revolution, hippies gave a general LSD thinking it would help end the Vietnam war.

Instead, the general used the enhanced clarity LSD provides for charting out and devising superior bombing patterns over parts of Vietnam.

Psychedelics MAGNIFY. They dont help you become a better person if you are inclined to become a worse person.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26726120 - 06/07/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

InnerWisdom said:
Interesting phenomenon this. I always wondered about the reasons too. I came to the conclusion that these folks dont take psychedelics or they take them too rarely to have a positive impact on their personality because they dont seek that



Yeah there are definitely a lot of people here who dont use psychedelics and have become hooked on alcohol, meth, benzos, opioids etc. I would be surprised to find someone who exclusively uses psychedelics that is a nazi, but i bet it has existed before


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26726123 - 06/07/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The last thing you want is a predatory socio/psychopath who has a psychedelic experience in which they perceive the minds nature more clearly than before, giving them a chance to examine it more closely while in its magnified form.

That’s how you get some of these master manipulators & deceivers running cults and subliminally inculcate large groups of people by abusing the insights had from psychedelics.  I find it sacrilege, but it happens, why? Psychedelics can be utilized like a tool for the mind.

TL;DR -  Baddies using psychedelics = a potential Dark Force User....more or less.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26726127 - 06/07/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Since when are witches not real?  A lot of people here actually qualify, including me.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726129 - 06/07/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You know what he means.  I hope.


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26726133 - 06/07/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
During the flower power revolution, hippies gave a general LSD thinking it would help end the Vietnam war.

Instead, the general used the enhanced clarity LSD provides for charting out and devising superior bombing patterns over parts of Vietnam.

Psychedelics MAGNIFY. They dont help you become a better person if you are inclined to become a worse person.




Any links?


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726140 - 06/07/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I read that in a book, the High Times Encyclopedia of Recreational Drugs.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726152 - 06/07/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry maybe i should have said that witchcraft is fake


Yeah people believe in fake things, not news


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26726160 - 06/07/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Alternatively you might say that scientists and doctors are the people who effectively accomplish what so called witches were hoping to accomplish. So you could posit that chemists and doctors are witches that actually figured out spells that work. And in fact stuff like hoodoo only became popular bc slaves and newly freed former slaves did not have access to real medicine. Not hating on hoodoo, everyone needs a way to feel empowered, but if you have cancer please go to a doctor and not a hoodoo practitioner if you actually want to live


In fact what i do very much resembles witchcraft. Take a little of this powder and that powder and mix into duch and such a solution and apply it in such and such a way. But like they figured out which powders and solutions actually work i guess is the difference.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26726163 - 06/07/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I see through you.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726170 - 06/07/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I cant see through you but if you come to the hospital i can, we have ct scanners, xrays, fmris etc


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineilovetrump
Stranger
Registered: 06/07/20
Posts: 2
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26726180 - 06/07/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I do a lot of shrooms and I am right wing.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26726184 - 06/07/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Witchcraft is no more fake than psychiatry.  That’s a fact.

In fact, modern psychiatry took a lot from witchcraft.

Carl Jung is huge among occultists.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ilovetrump] * 1
    #26726196 - 06/07/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I prefer having both a left wing & a right wing.  There’s something nice about having an appropriately balanced perspective that can entertain all/both sides without necessarily accepting or rejecting it.  .  :smirk:


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726203 - 06/07/20 10:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
Witchcraft is no more fake than psychiatry.  That’s a fact.

In fact, modern psychiatry took a lot from witchcraft.

Carl Jung is huge among occultists.




Like Alchemy?  how similar/dissimilar is it too witchcraft (which btw I’m not familiar with)


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726210 - 06/07/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Magic is that which exists but can't be completely understood and rationalized. Eg. Magic mushrooms. Occult phenomena etc. that which Jung studied. I mean that person had some crazy visionary years without dabbling in psychedelics at all


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblevinsue
Grand Old Fart
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 17,953
Loc: The Garden State(NJ) Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ilovetrump]
    #26726218 - 06/07/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ilovetrump said:
I do a lot of shrooms and I am right wing.



Is that all you are?
:goodmorning: . . . :peace:


--------------------

"All mushrooms are edible; but some only once." Croatian proverb. BTW ...
  Have You Rated Ythans Mom Yet ?? ... :taser:  ... HERE'S HOW ... (be nice) .  :mod: ... :peace:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26726221 - 06/07/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
The last thing you want is a predatory socio/psychopath who has a psychedelic experience in which they perceive the minds nature more clearly than before, giving them a chance to examine it more closely while in its magnified form.

That’s how you get some of these master manipulators & deceivers running cults and subliminally inculcate large groups of people by abusing the insights had from psychedelics.  I find it sacrilege, but it happens, why? Psychedelics can be utilized like a tool for the mind.

TL;DR -  Baddies using psychedelics = a potential Dark Force User....more or less.



Have there been such cases? I can totally believe that. I guess this issue about a predatory psychopath using psychedelics boils down to if they are completely a bad person/evil person or not. They must have a shadow too, right?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSARAtonin
Violent Dreams
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/28/11
Posts: 15,907
Loc: Deutschland
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: InnerWisdom] * 3
    #26726226 - 06/07/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

NAZI SHROOMERITES FUCK OFF



--------------------
God kills indiscriminately and so shall we. For no creatures under God are as we are none so like him as ourselves.

Want to join a cult? Click for details…


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26726237 - 06/07/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

InnerWisdom said:
Have there been such cases? I can totally believe that. I guess this issue about a predatory psychopath using psychedelics boils down to if they are completely a bad person/evil person or not. They must have a shadow too, right?




Yes.  I’ve also seen it happen with people with my own eyes and it was incredibly disturbing.


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleazzbo

Registered: 07/14/15
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26726238 - 06/07/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Terrible thread, no point to engage with Op since hes already made up his mind.


Dishing out bad ratings and calling everyone a racist, maybe we should dose you with MDMA

Also witches are real

suck it!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelarry.fisherman
shoulda died already
I'm a teapot

Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 36,294
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: qman]
    #26726245 - 06/07/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

zZZz said:
u tryna bait bro?...



not at all. this is a discussion that needs to be had in the community. many of us have wondered how it is possible for people so consumed with bitterness to remain so bitter even after using psychedelics because we have this intuition that taking psychedelics chips away at your ability to be bitter at the world. the article provides some interesting historical insights that challenge that intuition




To honest here, the only person demonstrating a high degree of bitterness is you at this point.

Do you think people really recognize their own biases? 

Have you looked in the mirror and asked yourself about all of your biases against all sorts of different environments and people?  Or did you skip with the self reflection, pat yourself on the back for not being 'racist' and then demand to others who disagree with you about their potential biases? The self righteousness is a little overwhelming here.



I think being bitter probably takes a lot of forms. And this reaction, I could argue it could happen for a variety of reasons. It's like, not all people become good upon recognizing a god. This is the biggest complaint against religion. So it's not so much about individual biases as it is a reflection/amplification of underlying desires and characteristics of who we are. I've said many times I see psychedelics as a kind of amplifier, it's why it's so variable. Like using a microscope - as the magnification becomes greater the sensitivity of the tool becomes more apparent, from the movement of the specimen to the things it allows you to see. No one said any one thing makes you a good person. Just like there's bad cops and good criminals. Idealogy isn't as simple as this person being friendly, or this person hating me. Sometimes smart people can make sense of dumb shit, imo it's one of the biggest humblers out there. Everyone is wrong, and anything can be true. That same little shit hellbent on pissing you off on the internet might be the same guy who'd actually stick up for you more than your own family would. And that is facts. That's life. And it's why it's great.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26726249 - 06/07/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am actually more of a centrist, but the far right scares me more than the "far left", which frankly barely even exists in this country. People on the right have warped ideas about the political spectrun


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26726251 - 06/07/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

azzbo said:
Terrible thread, no point to engage with Op since hes already made up his mind.


Dishing out bad ratings and calling everyone a racist, maybe we should dose you with MDMA

Also witches are real

suck it!!


welcome to my ignore list

Yes, i have made up my mind that racism and nazism are bad


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726257 - 06/07/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
Witchcraft is no more fake than psychiatry.  That’s a fact.

In fact, modern psychiatry took a lot from witchcraft.

Carl Jung is huge among occultists.


psychiatry is bullshit too, shifting the goalpost doesnt work. If you are having a heart attack i can save your life much more effectively than a hoodoo practitioner. If you are having one and you would prefer not to die it is in your best interests to accept that fact, but i certainly wont try and force you to. That is all


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: SARAtonin] * 1
    #26726263 - 06/07/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If there are any more actual national socialists on the shroomery, they are well hidden.

At this point it’s just a witch hunt and a name to demonize other members who commit wrongthink.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSARAtonin
Violent Dreams
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/28/11
Posts: 15,907
Loc: Deutschland
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: azzbo]
    #26726268 - 06/07/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

azzbo said:
Also witches are real




:bigyesnod:


--------------------
God kills indiscriminately and so shall we. For no creatures under God are as we are none so like him as ourselves.

Want to join a cult? Click for details…


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26726278 - 06/07/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I agree as a mental health professional about psychiatry being bullshit in the sense that it is more of a pseudo-medical field and not rooted in the biology entirely. There is always the problem of the soul and the psyche and consciousness and all that. But the mind can create illnesses in other body systems as well, psychosomatic symptoms so neither is any other field of medicine completely reducible to physical properties and biology.
I don't know what is meant by witchcraft. Like summoning demons or healing magically ?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726282 - 06/07/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think you should be allowed to say anything freely here without judgement?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26726284 - 06/07/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:psychiatry is bullshit too,


It’s not science, but I would hardly call it bullshit.


Quote:

morrowasted said:

shifting the goalpost doesnt work.


What goal post shift?

Quote:

morrowasted said:

If you are having a heart attack i can save your life much more effectively than a hoodoo practitioner. If you are having one and you would prefer not to die it is in your best interests to accept that fact, but i certainly wont try and force you to. That is all




God damn you like to toot your own horn.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726288 - 06/07/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
If there are any more actual national socialists on the shroomery, they are well hidden.

At this point it’s just a witch hunt and a name to demonize other members .


Sorry this didnt turn out to be the safe space you appear to have been hoping for

I dont demonize members, i demonize their idiotic prejudices. If you dont have any then there is nothing for me to argue with you about. The people i have put on ignore have a clear history of repeatedly espousing idiotic prejudices. I dont care to see them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineilovetrump
Stranger
Registered: 06/07/20
Posts: 2
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26726296 - 06/07/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So what if someone is a racist or national socialist? Doesn't make him a bad person.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblesui
I love you.
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/20/04
Posts: 31,853
Loc: Cali, Contra Costa Co. Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ilovetrump] * 3
    #26726297 - 06/07/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

yes it does.


--------------------

"There is never a wrong note, bend it."
Jimi Hendrix



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSARAtonin
Violent Dreams
Female User Gallery

Registered: 09/28/11
Posts: 15,907
Loc: Deutschland
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ilovetrump]
    #26726299 - 06/07/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Unauthorized :puppet:

:ban:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblesui
I love you.
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/20/04
Posts: 31,853
Loc: Cali, Contra Costa Co. Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: SARAtonin]
    #26726300 - 06/07/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i think its XUL


--------------------

"There is never a wrong note, bend it."
Jimi Hendrix



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726301 - 06/07/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

lowbrow said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:psychiatry is bullshit too,


It’s not science, but I would hardly call it bullshit.


Quote:

morrowasted said:

shifting the goalpost doesnt work.


What goal post shift?

Quote:

morrowasted said:

If you are having a heart attack i can save your life much more effectively than a hoodoo practitioner. If you are having one and you would prefer not to die it is in your best interests to accept that fact, but i certainly wont try and force you to. That is all




God damn you like to toot your own horn.




By it is bullshit what i meant is that it isnt science, just like witchcraft. Reliability is a measuremeny of how likely two different clinicians are to arrive at the same diagnosis given the same patient. In cardiology, reliability is extremely high because it is based on objective measures like ekg and troponin levels. In psychiatry reliability is very low. One patient can go to four different psychiatrists and walk away with 4 different diagnoses.


Goal post shifting is when i say doctors are better at saving lives than witches and you say something about the legitimacy of psychiatry. Totally unrelated goal post shift. The analogy is that you beleive you scored a goal but really all you did was move the goal post to wherever you want to try and make it easier to do so. It is a common tactic but it doesnt work on me.


Yes i toot my own horn, it feels good to save lives rather than just engage in a bunch of self absorbed psuedointellectual bsing which is what i did with my philosophy degree (but hey at least i can spot a goalpost shift when i see one now). Wish you could have the same experience, it is very rewarding. And yes it does reinforce the intuition that some ways of behaving are more effective than others


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male


Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 11 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ilovetrump]
    #26726302 - 06/07/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:curbyourenthusiasm:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26726316 - 06/07/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said: Sorry this didnt turn out to be the safe space you appear to have been hoping for


Have you ever heard of self-awareness sir?

Quote:

morrowasted said:

I dont demonize members, i demonize their idiotic prejudices.


Id say calling people nazis in a passive aggressive manner says the exact opposite.

Quote:

morrowasted said:

If you dont have any then there is nothing for me to argue with you about.


guess not.

Quote:

morrowasted said:

The people i have put on ignore have a clear history of repeatedly espousing idiotic prejudices. I dont care to see them.


So you call them nazis in a thread title passive-aggresively?
K.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726323 - 06/07/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He did say "have a clear history of repeatedly espousing idiotic prejudices. "


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26726330 - 06/07/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, blatant goal post shift on my part.

What is your position in the scientific field of medicine?


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleazzbo

Registered: 07/14/15
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26726362 - 06/07/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

azzbo said:
Terrible thread, no point to engage with Op since hes already made up his mind.


Dishing out bad ratings and calling everyone a racist, maybe we should dose you with MDMA

Also witches are real

suck it!!


welcome to my ignore list

Yes, i have made up my mind that racism and nazism are bad





Yeah and seems you made up your mind about most the members here too, go ahead and call everyone a racist again


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleazzbo

Registered: 07/14/15
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ichugwindex] * 2
    #26726370 - 06/07/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ichugwindex said:
I wish you would just stfu for a minute and give me a hug. Like drop all this shit and just love me.





:hug:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineichugwindex
Dex
Female User Gallery


Registered: 06/04/16
Posts: 4,613
Loc: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Last seen: 11 months, 1 day
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: azzbo]
    #26726397 - 06/07/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:hug:


--------------------
Only hope can give rise to the emotion we call despair. But it is nearly impossible for a man to try to live without hope, so I guess that leaves Man no choice but to walk around with despair as his companion.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTripsurfer
Bring Back Asante!
Male


Registered: 08/01/12
Posts: 7,129
Loc: West of Windward Flag
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26726499 - 06/07/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Asante, I am severely prejudiced against certain ethnic and/or religious groups. Im not denying this at all

This doesnt mean I would like them all to be transported to the gas-chambers.

Frankly speaking I dont really care about people outside my sphere of family and friends. And outside of traveling abroad I prefer to interact with people I can best relate too. We all have our own struggles


--------------------
Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.



Edited by Tripsurfer (06/07/20 12:38 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26726511 - 06/07/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
I dont find this forum to be filled with racist shitheads at all.

Quite a lot of leftwing shitheads though, and as soon as you dont agree with them you are either a Fascist or a Nazi




Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
Asante, I am severely prejudiced against certain ethnic and/or religious groups. Im not denying this at all

This doesnt mean I would like them all to be transported to the gas-chambers.






I'm not saying that you're a Nazi, I'm saying that if you are, as you call it, severely prejudiced against certain ethnic and/or religious groups. you are less likely to notice the racist shitheads and very many more people will be considered "leftwing shitheads" than from where I'm standing, politically.

If you go to Paris, get on top of the Eiffel Tower you can look around and around over the Paris area and say: "where's the fucking Eiffel Tower?!"

In the 1940s, many members of the Nazi party were utterly shocked what happened in the camps. Many had been either utterly ignorant or distracting themselves from the truth during the war. They knew the Jews were going nowhere nice, but many held the opinion of work camps with a sustainable standard of living, instead of 600 calories of soup and bread and a striped pajama in the Polish winter. Even villagers right next to the camps often had no idea just how utterly horrid it was.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTripsurfer
Bring Back Asante!
Male


Registered: 08/01/12
Posts: 7,129
Loc: West of Windward Flag
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante]
    #26726535 - 06/07/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I see posts from long time members that are maybe more "right" in nature.

I dont think I have seen people outright claiming white supremacy. That would probably be an offense punished with a ban too


Maybe my view is somewhat skewed by the discussion on Jezz Bezos' wealth


--------------------
Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26726549 - 06/07/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
I see posts from long time members that are maybe more "right" in nature.




Both Democrats and Republicans are more rightwing than the Nazi party was so thats not surprising.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAesc
Stranger
Registered: 06/04/20
Posts: 22
Loc: WA
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26726582 - 06/07/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
tantrika thats a perfect gif




We discussed it a lot in Tantric Buddhism studies, my professor was a big sci-fi fan :lol:
it was used to "explain" enlightenment and the seemingly non-enlightened actions of some masters
Marpa Lotsāwa was known for drunkeness and fighting since his childhood
but also for continuing to drink heavily and beat some of his disciples and potentially wife and children
after becoming a recognized enlightened master and single-handedly carrying a teaching lineage from India to Tibet

like psychedelics, enlightenment does not change conventional personality




This is something that I have continually run up against in spiritual goups. What I don't get is the apologism for toxicity enacted by "the  (supposedly) enlightened". I spent a lot of time on the edges of a certain Zen lineage about 10 years ago - never went full in, but some of the members of the local Zendo that I was active at were ordained. Several of them had some pretty questionable ideas and practices in their personal lives. My ex-husband, who turned out to have made up his ordination credentials (before I met him... he was an abusive gas-lighter and it turned out to be this whole thing and was a flash-in-the-pan controversy in the wider Zen community at the time), was waaaaay in to citing Chogyam Trungpa's abusive behavior as an explanation for his own 'crazy wisdom'... it was disgusting. I have spent a lot of time since then questioning the way these eastern spiritual practices have morphed in the west... when so many of the teachers who came to import it here and gather these large followings to disseminate them kinda went crazy on power along the way. Is it the relative lack of constraints here as opposed to the more regimented monastic communities that they came from? I dunno. The same thing has happened in yoga. Over the last 10 years this same cycle of controversy surrounding abusive practices (particularly with sex and money) continues to play out over and over again with well known leaders in both communities.

At any rate, to bring it back to the question of the original post, I do tend to agree that sustained psychological work (and willingness to see one's inherent prejudices and blind-spots) is necessary to bring about lasting change in one's point of view. It is one thing to have a revelatory moment (or trip), and sometimes there are the rare cases where personality change is immediate and sustained (and that includes negative as well as positive personality change), but introspection -- and enacting changes in one's thought and actions based on that introspection -- should be a lasting effort.


--------------------
Æ


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleModularMind
M.P.F.
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 7,902
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: lowbrow]
    #26726597 - 06/07/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)




Doxxing a member

Having an admin take it away.

Re-doxxing said member by editing the moderated post to repeat the infraction.



I'll re-edit my ban of you, too.


Edited by Asante (06/07/20 01:33 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ModularMind] * 2
    #26726608 - 06/07/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

take that fucking name out of your post right now

the fuck is your problem


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26726611 - 06/07/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah posting someone's personal info is hella bannable I believe. How did he know your name?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ModularMind]
    #26726614 - 06/07/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As suspected.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Aesc]
    #26726622 - 06/07/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Aesc said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
tantrika thats a perfect gif




We discussed it a lot in Tantric Buddhism studies, my professor was a big sci-fi fan :lol:
it was used to "explain" enlightenment and the seemingly non-enlightened actions of some masters
Marpa Lotsāwa was known for drunkeness and fighting since his childhood
but also for continuing to drink heavily and beat some of his disciples and potentially wife and children
after becoming a recognized enlightened master and single-handedly carrying a teaching lineage from India to Tibet

like psychedelics, enlightenment does not change conventional personality




This is something that I have continually run up against in spiritual goups. What I don't get is the apologism for toxicity enacted by "the  (supposedly) enlightened". I spent a lot of time on the edges of a certain Zen lineage about 10 years ago - never went full in, but some of the members of the local Zendo that I was active at were ordained. Several of them had some pretty questionable ideas and practices in their personal lives. My ex-husband, who turned out to have made up his ordination credentials (before I met him... he was an abusive gas-lighter and it turned out to be this whole thing and was a flash-in-the-pan controversy in the wider Zen community at the time), was waaaaay in to citing Chogyam Trungpa's abusive behavior as an explanation for his own 'crazy wisdom'... it was disgusting. I have spent a lot of time since then questioning the way these eastern spiritual practices have morphed in the west... when so many of the teachers who came to import it here and gather these large followings to disseminate them kinda went crazy on power along the way. Is it the relative lack of constraints here as opposed to the more regimented monastic communities that they came from? I dunno. The same thing has happened in yoga. Over the last 10 years this same cycle of controversy surrounding abusive practices (particularly with sex and money) continues to play out over and over again with well known leaders in both communities..




You might be happy to know I’ve spent years attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff regarding Zen schools and their major existing lineages.  If you ever get deeply back into that life and are looking for a real deal sangha with a genuinely extraordinarily ordinary teacher whose not got the stink of enlightenment, and who makes Zero excuses for immoral behavior, and lived/lives and walks the talk - let me know over PM :pm:

You may see me joke around and goof off a lot in the Pub, but that’s just an online persona, offline I generally do not act or live so heedlessly.  Take care!


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: ModularMind]
    #26726644 - 06/07/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ModularMind said:



Doxxing a member

Having an admin take it away.

Re-doxxing said member by editing the moderated post to repeat the infraction.



I'll re-edit my ban of you, too.




thank you, asante


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemycosis
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 19,727
Loc: USSA Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi] * 1
    #26726651 - 06/07/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Yeah posting someone's personal info is hella bannable I believe. How did he know your name?




It was a line from a movie. :laugh2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #26726654 - 06/07/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah it sounds like it may just have lined up by coincidence.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelowbrow
Paddy Time!!!!
Male

Registered: 09/12/08
Posts: 9,662
Last seen: 1 day, 7 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis]
    #26726657 - 06/07/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Was it an accident?

Ive heard of that happening.


--------------------
Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi] * 2
    #26726660 - 06/07/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He did not originally post it as a movie quote, he edited it after asante deleted his post

The first time may have been uninentional but i specifically PMd him asking to delete snd instead he just reframed it as a quote even after asante deleted


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 3
    #26726667 - 06/07/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Even if it were an innocent mistake initially, re-editing a moderated post to re-include the same information about the person is utterly prohibited, especially since in reactuions it was already established that, quote or no quote, it was a factual namedrop.

Contact the staffer or write a support ticket "a terrible mistake was made" but do NOT repeat the infraction after having been moderated for it because thats defiance and that gets you tazed or, in this case, have a 16 day ban turn into a 100.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26726675 - 06/07/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I guess even if he did not have special knowledge of that info the first time, he did when reposting it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi] * 1
    #26726696 - 06/07/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Classic Sith mind trick


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAesc
Stranger
Registered: 06/04/20
Posts: 22
Loc: WA
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26726764 - 06/07/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:

You might be happy to know I’ve spent years attempting to separate the wheat from the chaff regarding Zen schools and their major existing lineages.  If you ever get deeply back into that life and are looking for a real deal sangha with a genuinely extraordinarily ordinary teacher whose not got the stink of enlightenment, and who makes Zero excuses for immoral behavior, and lived/lives and walks the talk - let me know over PM :pm:

You may see me joke around and goof off a lot in the Pub, but that’s just an online persona, offline I generally do not act or live so heedlessly.  Take care!




I would definitely be interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter! I miss being part of a spiritual community - having been involved with a few of the bad apples, I went through a period of severe disillusionment, but I know that having a group to practice with is something that is lacking in my life and I believe that there are good ones out there.

I'm hopping back off to do some housework (so fun!), but I'll shoot you a pm when I'm back on later.


--------------------
Æ


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26727055 - 06/07/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Quote:

lowbrow said:
Witchcraft is no more fake than psychiatry.  That’s a fact.

In fact, modern psychiatry took a lot from witchcraft.

Carl Jung is huge among occultists.




Like Alchemy?  how similar/dissimilar is it too witchcraft (which btw I’m not familiar with)




Alchemy was a big one, but also a lot of stuff out of Hermetic Mysticism

Witches are real -- the witch hunts were a falsification and demonization of people tho
and while modern anti-racism depends on being able to produce documented instances of racist behaviour from people
the witch hunts were about punishing people for fabricated claims -- a married man who found a single woman attractive could cause her death by claiming she had magically seduced his attention away from his wife
a dude with few friends and a large garden of mind-altering substances would be tried and killed on the basis of presumed poisonings

:witch:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Aesc] * 3
    #26727071 - 06/07/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Aesc said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
tantrika thats a perfect gif




We discussed it a lot in Tantric Buddhism studies, my professor was a big sci-fi fan :lol:
it was used to "explain" enlightenment and the seemingly non-enlightened actions of some masters
Marpa Lotsāwa was known for drunkeness and fighting since his childhood
but also for continuing to drink heavily and beat some of his disciples and potentially wife and children
after becoming a recognized enlightened master and single-handedly carrying a teaching lineage from India to Tibet

like psychedelics, enlightenment does not change conventional personality




This is something that I have continually run up against in spiritual goups. What I don't get is the apologism for toxicity enacted by "the  (supposedly) enlightened". I spent a lot of time on the edges of a certain Zen lineage about 10 years ago - never went full in, but some of the members of the local Zendo that I was active at were ordained. Several of them had some pretty questionable ideas and practices in their personal lives. My ex-husband, who turned out to have made up his ordination credentials (before I met him... he was an abusive gas-lighter and it turned out to be this whole thing and was a flash-in-the-pan controversy in the wider Zen community at the time), was waaaaay in to citing Chogyam Trungpa's abusive behavior as an explanation for his own 'crazy wisdom'... it was disgusting. I have spent a lot of time since then questioning the way these eastern spiritual practices have morphed in the west... when so many of the teachers who came to import it here and gather these large followings to disseminate them kinda went crazy on power along the way. Is it the relative lack of constraints here as opposed to the more regimented monastic communities that they came from? I dunno. The same thing has happened in yoga. Over the last 10 years this same cycle of controversy surrounding abusive practices (particularly with sex and money) continues to play out over and over again with well known leaders in both communities.

At any rate, to bring it back to the question of the original post, I do tend to agree that sustained psychological work (and willingness to see one's inherent prejudices and blind-spots) is necessary to bring about lasting change in one's point of view. It is one thing to have a revelatory moment (or trip), and sometimes there are the rare cases where personality change is immediate and sustained (and that includes negative as well as positive personality change), but introspection -- and enacting changes in one's thought and actions based on that introspection -- should be a lasting effort.




You may find interest in the book called The Novice by Stephen Schettini
he provides an account of his time in a European monastery, where his problems began with his fellow monks and the leader of the monastery ostracizing him for speaking alone with a woman
as everyone presumed he went off with her to have sex and break his vows

but he backpacks his way to India, having terrible experiences along the way like getting hooked on Morphine for weeks in a shitty little hostel somewhere in Pakistan

and when he gets to India and joins the Tibetan monastic community there
he finds out that the monks beat the children, that there is no toilet so people just go crouch and shit in a disgusting field of human waste
and when he finally gets to meet the Dalai Lama he raises all his concerns with the community
and the Dalai Lama just shrugs them off as no big deal

this is backed up by a lot of scriptural work older than Chogyam Trungpa
with ancient Tantric Buddhist masters doing really obscene or riduculous things
like one who sat eating live pigeons all day until the monastery kicked him out
then when they kicked him out he supposedly turned all the pigeon corpses back into living creatures
told the monks and the teacher that they were stupid and he had found true enlightenment
then skated off across the unfrozen surface of a lake to start his own Buddhist tradition

and it definitely is used by many people in the modern world as an excuse for really objectionable behaviour
without actually providing the deep compassion and uplifting that is also associated with their teachings

to go back to Marpa, he frequently beat the shit out of his disciple Milarepa
but Milarepa would go on to become an englightened master himself, and would always speak of Marpa as being a deeply caring individual
even when describing the beatings, which he claimed helped him break out of his previous perceptions

Milarepa post-enlightenment has no history of violence
but he did wander around Tibet in the nude and make fun of people who tried to make fun of him for not bothering wearing clothes in the freezing temperatures
but he apparently was a master of Tummo (inner fire) meditation and that kept him warm at all times


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepachooDiscord
Witchakookoo
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 7,135
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika] * 6
    #26727864 - 06/08/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Quote:

lowbrow said:
Witchcraft is no more fake than psychiatry.  That’s a fact.

In fact, modern psychiatry took a lot from witchcraft.

Carl Jung is huge among occultists.




Like Alchemy?  how similar/dissimilar is it too witchcraft (which btw I’m not familiar with)




Alchemy was a big one, but also a lot of stuff out of Hermetic Mysticism

Witches are real -- the witch hunts were a falsification and demonization of people tho
and while modern anti-racism depends on being able to produce documented instances of racist behaviour from people
the witch hunts were about punishing people for fabricated claims -- a married man who found a single woman attractive could cause her death by claiming she had magically seduced his attention away from his wife
a dude with few friends and a large garden of mind-altering substances would be tried and killed on the basis of presumed poisonings

:witch:






Not even just psychiatry...Can we just talk about the 'witches' brews' that were used in the past that brought about some modern medicines? Or even the fact that it was the witches/Shamans/Pagans/Medicine Women and Men who use psychedelics in the first place to converse with spirit and heal traumas? I guess it's all just a little bit of hocus pocus anyways. :lol:

:witch:

I just have to cackle a bit when people talk smack about witchcraft as if they only thing it entails is flying on a broom stick or summoning some sort of elemental spell/hex/whatever from their viewpoint.


--------------------


:heartpump::heartpump: :heartpump::heartpump:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblesui
I love you.
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/20/04
Posts: 31,853
Loc: Cali, Contra Costa Co. Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pachoo] * 3
    #26727941 - 06/08/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i love you people.:psycrankey:


--------------------

"There is never a wrong note, bend it."
Jimi Hendrix



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: sui]
    #26728125 - 06/08/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:



even just psychiatry...Can we just talk about the 'witches' brews' that were used in the past that brought about some modern medicines? Or even the fact that it was the witches/Shamans/Pagans/Medicine Women and Men who use psychedelics in the first place to converse with spirit and heal traumas? I guess it's all just a little bit of hocus pocus anyways. :lol:




sure, those things paved the way for real medicine. Now we have it. I promise you you are better off getting a culture done to see specifically what kind of infection you have so that you can have a specific antibiotic regimen tailored to that infection rather than having a poultice of tee tree oil or whatever spread all of your wound. The latter is probably better than nothing but it aint as good as a real anitbiotic


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26728166 - 06/08/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Atropine and scopolamine are still used regularly in modern medicine I believe.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSugabearcrisp
Not Your Average Bear
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/14/19
Posts: 12,047
Loc: maybe I had too much, too fast
Last seen: 1 day, 2 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26728187 - 06/08/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Brian Jones said:
Quote:

Sugabearcrisp said:
Well the neonazi aryan brotherhood controls significant parts of the drug trade inside and out of prisons. One might expect a few members to seek out drug manuafacture information found here.

https://www.salon.com/2013/03/19/inside_the_aryan_brotherhoods_prison_heroin_empire_partner/

In related news pyschedelics are not a silver bullet to fix people, as Saratonin eloquently explained.






In prison yes. Outside there is some AB for sure. There are biker gangs running meth and some other things, and there is racism yes, but outlaw bikers are seldom AB.




So we agree, whether AB, nazi lowrider,  skinhead or just racist biker there is a portion of that circle that overlaps with the drug trade.

When i was active in the online MJ communities 15+ years ago there were always a few members flashing symboligy behind their bud pictures,  stars and bars or more overt nazi, %er or the shamrock of the AB.

I would go further and say that the drug trade and organized crime in general has always been built on racial exclusion. You can't be a white latin king, crip or blood just like you can't be a made man in the mafia unless 100% italian. Even the hasidic jews were running molly through their racially pure network.

I think there is a false belief that soft drugs are only made and sold by tie dye hippies who arent racist, when the reality is that as long as profits are to be had there will be unsavory players and things divide along race and culture.

:dealershrooms:


--------------------
Indirect Weighing tek


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 6
    #26728235 - 06/08/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Theres also a false notion that leftwing people cant be racist, xenophobic, homophobic or transphobic. They can be blisteringly so, often hidden behind flimsy makeshift constructions of false justification.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleD3_Myc
Weeb Trash
I'm a teapot


Registered: 05/06/18
Posts: 4,399
Loc: Year Zero
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 5
    #26728245 - 06/08/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

All the narratives lately feel very anti white, even from the left. Everyone likes to say, imagine what it feels like to be black... as far as I know most blacks have never been jumped, for simply trying to walk through a neighborhood. I’ve experienced nothing but anti white racism growing up in a predominantly hispanic and black neighborhoods.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: psi]
    #26728249 - 06/08/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Atropine and scopolamine are still used regularly in modern medicine I believe.


yeah so atropine is given when peoples hearts are pumping too slow to effectively deliver oxygen to the brain and such. In that case you really want tk be getting the pure chem IV, not sipping nightshade extracts. It is cool that people figured out plants that have useful drugs in them all i am saying is that we actually know what the specific constituents of the plants are that work, why they work, and when they are most likely to be helpful. We have come a long way. And it is really obvious like i said when you get into infectious disease. We can take a blood sample, see exactly what kind of infection you have, and give you a specific antibiotic known to work against it and also known to be safe for you given your other medical conditions and medications used. It is a far cry from rubbing antibiotic poultices on wounds but again... it is cool that they were trying and sometimes having success. If i had lived 300 years ago maybe i would have been one of those people  since i am the type that is into healing and such. But Since i live in the year 2020 i just recognize that isnt the most effective way to be a healer anymore


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26728272 - 06/08/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

D3monic said:
All the narratives lately feel very anti white, even from the left. Everyone likes to say, imagine what it feels like to be black... as far as I know most blacks have never been jumped, for simply trying to walk through a neighborhood. I’ve experienced nothing but anti white racism growing up in a predominantly hispanic and black neighborhoods.


except the narrative you just gave, which is um, extremely common. I also got beat up by the black kids in middle school. When i grew up i realized it was because of how relatively lucky i am but didnt realize i was at the time, but i will digress.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOvoidhunter
Buttery Crescent
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/17/16
Posts: 2,016
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #26728277 - 06/08/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You were extremely lucky you got beat up by black kids? Are you saying they beat you up because of how privileged you were as a white person and that it was cool looking back on it?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: D3_Myc] * 3
    #26728280 - 06/08/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Alternative medicine that works is just called medicine :wink:.



Quote:

D3monic said:
All the narratives lately feel very anti white, even from the left. Everyone likes to say, imagine what it feels like to be black... as far as I know most blacks have never been jumped, for simply trying to walk through a neighborhood. I’ve experienced nothing but anti white racism growing up in a predominantly hispanic and black neighborhoods.







lol yeah, because no one's been fully lynched and murdered just  for the crime of being black before :elmo:. You ever hear of sun down towns? Google it. Just because those places no longer have a legal basis for segregation doesn't mean that some don't still practice it. I'm sorry you got singled out and beaten up due to your race. That's not cool, it's not right, but a lot of what BLM is fighting for addresses the issues of disproportionate crime in the black community.



I don't get why that makes the protests anti-white, if anything it's anti-police state, anti establishment. There are a fuck ton of white people at these rallies, in some towns there are ONLY white people at these rallies. I just don't understand this mentality that these protests are anti-white - just because the spotlight is off of us for one second and we're trying to advocate for someone other than ourselves doesn't mean that the movement is 'anti-white'. If anything it's fully inclusive of white people, and it's fighting for things that will benefit them.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 4
    #26728291 - 06/08/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No i was extremely lucky to not have been raised in the kind of environment that is conducive to turning 12 year olds into bullies. These days i treat people of all ages in the ED including kids. Hypothetical kid comes in a bruised up, supposedly "fell down the stairs". Ask the family to leave, get the real scoop. The kid has no father at home, older brother is a drug dealer who beats him and runs the house, uncle raped him repeatedly. Time to write a cps report. Happens at least once a month and it is usually poor minorities.  Yeah, that kid is a bully, and i would have been too, but i wasnt because i am lucky. I was able to get over the bullying and have a great life, some of these kids are never able to get over their childhood abuse. And yes it happens with white kids too, it is more a problem of intergenerational poverty but that problem is much worse in the black community and i believe the reason is that they are just coming out of centuries of oppression in the last 50 years. It takes time and proactivity to heal all of that. I can understand why white people who went through these problems feel left out to dry


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,795
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26728292 - 06/08/20 07:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

D3monic:

Congratulations - Then you grew up behind enemy lines, just like other minority groups.





One would expect inter-minority solidarity under such circumstances.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOvoidhunter
Buttery Crescent
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/17/16
Posts: 2,016
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26728300 - 06/08/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Their schools have been severely underfunded forever and black communities are usually poorer. Leading to more crime and lack of opportunity and overall discontent with life probably. Thats real.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26728305 - 06/08/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:

Carl Jung is huge among occultists. psychiatry is bullshit too, shifting the goalpost doesnt work. If you are having a heart attack i can save your life much more effectively than a hoodoo practitioner. If you are having one and you would prefer not to die it is in your best interests to accept that fact, but i certainly wont try and force you to. That is all




It's racist when you place white western science above African medicine/healing practices & Black Magic.  You must use your privilege to actively work to decolonize science and your white supremacist mind. 


In this video, the ladies offer an example of a tribal dance than can cause lightning to strike.  The crowd showed their true nazi colors by saying it isn't true.  This is a perfect example of white supremacy and the colonization of science in effect.  You must consider their perspective as equally true to your perspective or you are racist. 




Edited by MrBlueYoMind (06/08/20 08:40 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26728334 - 06/08/20 07:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am not judging people for "doing magic" or alt medicine, like i said hoodoo specifically became popular during and after slave days bc they did not have access to western medicine. The popularity of hoodoo in the usa is actually another manifestation racism. What i am saying is just saying if they have a serious illness want to not die they may want to consider opting for western medicine now that it is an option. I am happy to save the life of anyone of all colors, uninsured or not. If you wanna keep doing pentagrams and poultices... by all means... the ED will still be there for ya when the shit hits the fan

Believe it or not learning sensitivity to other peoples beliefs about medicine is a major part of our training. We are taught to allow people to do whatever makes them comfortable- bring in a medicine man, accupunturist, whatever. You can do that in the hospital (usually). But we are also gonna try to talk you into taking the medicine that we have evidence will work for your condition, and we will do it bc we want to save your life, not bc we are judging you for using a medicine man


Edited by morrowasted (06/08/20 07:55 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26728408 - 06/08/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you actively believe western medicine is superior to hoodoo then you are a racist according to the lady in the video.  You literally said your way is superior(more effective=better=superior), you don't have to actively say hoodoo is inferior or people who practice it less capable healers for it to be inferred.

What Asante practices where he hammers nails into a statue seems pretty consistent with hoodoo type practices, which suggests that hoodoo is a type of African spiritism. 

You'd save the life of every color, that's the classic "I have a black friend" response isn't it?  I'm not even suggesting that you wouldn't treat everybody with equal care.

Is the belief that someone can do a dance that makes lightning strike equally valid science as say an MDMA synthesis?  If not, then you are a racist according to women in the video. 

You don't believe in hoodoo correct?  There are people who believe in hoodoo and don't believe in western medicine.  Would it bother you if everyone around you started believing in hoodoo and stopped believing in western medicine(regardless of skin color, all races)?  Then you might be considered racist to these African women, who laid out their case that white western medicine is colonized/racist by ignoring African tribal/spirit beliefs.

I'm pretty sure you DO think hoodoo is a less effective healing method than what you practice.  Otherwise why wouldn't you offer hoodoo and accupuncture to people who have never been exposed to it?  You only offer it to people who request it correct?  Someone doesn't come in with knee pain and you say "We can give you naproxen or stick 20 needles in strategic places all over your body or we can chant over this doll/statue and stick pins into that, which would you prefer?"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26728413 - 06/08/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dude medical professionals take an ethical oath, by not treating patients according to protocol they are breaking that and there are massive ethical and legal implications. Not believing in hoodoo does not make one a racist. That's fucking bonkers.


Everyone doesn't have to believe the same shit for there to be equality, that is so silly and completely unrealistic. Offering people the ability and accessibility to practice their beliefs, and respecting those beliefs is the best we can do.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26728446 - 06/08/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I literally never said he wouldn't treat people the same. 

I shared a video where people are making the argument that western science is colonized and supporting it is racist because it rejects such notions as dancing to cause lightning strikes.

My assertion that he is racist for supporting western medicine over hoodoo is based on the same argument.

If you don't believe that a dance that causes lightning to strike is equally valid science as an MDMA synthesis that means you're racist according to the ladies in the video. 

I only elaborated on their position in the context of him seeing western medicine as superior to hoodoo in the context of saving your life.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26728448 - 06/08/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The guy is essentially saying that any black doctor who tries to talk another black person who believes in hoodoo into taking antibiotics becaus he believes the antibiotics will be more effective on the basis of evidence and experience is being racist against black people. I really dont have anything to say to that. Carry on


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26728450 - 06/08/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So can you sum up what kind of point you're trying to make here then?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26728451 - 06/08/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, the ladies in the video are saying that.  I'm merely presenting their position to you.

The argument is pretty clear:

Western Science/Medicine is racist because it discounts tribal beliefs such as rain dances, or contacting spirits or hammering nails into inanimate objects to channel intent/powers.  It's a pretty white science concept to go against the belief in spirits/ghosts and such, and it was white people who went all over the world fucking up the tribes who believe(d) in it.  Approved Western Science and Medicine doesn't have any books on spirits and how to contact them or use them for healing, correct?  You think just because a Dr is black that he isn't practicing white supremacy?  That's the classic "Yeah he's a cop, but he's black so it's not white supremacy." 


Edited by MrBlueYoMind (06/08/20 03:18 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26728457 - 06/08/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I will say one thing actually. You can be sure that hospitals attempt to use the most effective medical interventions because failing to do puts them at risk of lawsuits and simply losing business to other hospitals. If some given hoodoo practice were the most effective way to prevent a hospital from incurring a lawsuit you can bet they would be all over it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26728459 - 06/08/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MrBlueYoMind said:
No, the ladies in the video are saying that.  I'm merely presenting their position to you.



Oh, okay, so youre just trying to be contrarian by posting contrarian opinions you dont actually hold, got it


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26728482 - 06/08/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No, not being contrarian at all actually.  I'm elaborating on this persons position.

I believe in science, but western medicine falls short in the spirtual aspects.  All the people addicted to pain pills, the invention of heroin and all those evil fucking spinoffs.  Nah dude, there are some pretty solid points to be had about the medical system and white supremacy.


More of a devils advocate than a contrarian.

You still have failed to answer any of the questions I posed.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOvoidhunter
Buttery Crescent
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/17/16
Posts: 2,016
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26728503 - 06/08/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Maby thats because "western medicine" isn't supposed to be spiritual. Its supposed to be backed by hard evidence that it works, otherwise its just a placebo. Placebo may help with the psychological aspects off your problem but will not cure the ailment itself.

Not saying we should outlaw rain dances or anything tho.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 2
    #26728511 - 06/08/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My major beef with western medicine - particularly US Healthcare - is it's been leveraged for some really fucked up racist shit.


https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/



That's honestly just beginning to even glance at the amount of fucked up racist, sexist, overall prejudiced shit that has happened to people at the hands of doctors in the last 100 years.
There's still massive disparities in how different races are treated as well when seeking medical help.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/discrimination-black-womens-health/

https://news.berkeley.edu/2019/01/18/invisiblevisits/


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOvoidhunter
Buttery Crescent
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/17/16
Posts: 2,016
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26728525 - 06/08/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
This was in america. ^^^
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments

You forgot these.  Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects. The experiment resulted in at least 83 deaths. Studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns, though the intentional infection of patients ended with the original study.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26728540 - 06/08/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:

D3monic said:
All the narratives lately feel very anti white, even from the left. Everyone likes to say, imagine what it feels like to be black... as far as I know most blacks have never been jumped, for simply trying to walk through a neighborhood. I’ve experienced nothing but anti white racism growing up in a predominantly hispanic and black neighborhoods.


except the narrative you just gave, which is um, extremely common. I also got beat up by the black kids in middle school. When i grew up i realized it was because of how relatively lucky i am but didnt realize i was at the time, but i will digress.




Were the whites kids in the 1950-60's that were attack everyday by the black kids in their community also lucky?  That's what happened to my friends parents that lived in the city. It wasn't because they were more economically disadvantaged, it was because of the racial divide that existed. All of their parents worked and lived in the same area, it was all blue-collar living.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemycosis
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 19,727
Loc: USSA Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: qman] * 1
    #26728553 - 06/08/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There are only two white people in the whole neighborhood I live in and I have never felt safer.

I used to live in a completely white neighborhood and it was nothing but trouble.
White people are dangerous! :cookiemonster:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26728629 - 06/08/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Ovoidhunter said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
This was in america. ^^^
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments

You forgot these.  Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects. The experiment resulted in at least 83 deaths. Studies continued through 1953 involving the same vulnerable populations in addition to children from state-run schools, an orphanage, and rural towns, though the intentional infection of patients ended with the original study.


they dont do this anymore. Everyone swears an oath of nonmaleficence. But yes unfortunately people figured out a lot of stuff in the early 20th century in immoral ways. We are taught all about that stuff in school specifically as a lesson in how to not practice medicine.


For example right now if you want to do the challenge trial for the covid vaccine you get paid thousands of dollars, they used to just use prisoners and shit

The whoke process of informed consent is very elaborate now and you can lose your license for not adhering to it


Edited by morrowasted (06/08/20 10:35 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26728638 - 06/08/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And no i do not argue with people playing devil's advocate. If that particular person in the video who actually believes comes in here i would be happy to discuss why i do not believe that recommending western medicines to believers in hoodoo has anything to do with racism. Better yet i wpuld be happy to put her in touch with a black doctor to explain as much. but i am not gonna argue with someone who admittedly doesnt even have a dog in the fight and just wants to argue


Edited by morrowasted (06/08/20 10:39 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26728642 - 06/08/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And yes there is still systemic discrimination in medicine which is why people like me exist to try and coordinate social services for people in a system that doesnt particularly care about them


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis] * 3
    #26728672 - 06/08/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
I am not judging people for "doing magic" or alt medicine, like i said hoodoo specifically became popular during and after slave days bc they did not have access to western medicine.




This comment proves you're a white supremacist since you believe they would have abandoned their tribal beliefs for western medicine even if they weren't enslaved.  They were still Africans with African spiritual beliefs before being enslaved, correct?  Therefor, the resulting amalgamation of African Spirit beliefs known as Hoodoo isn't the result of not getting western medicine, but is directly the result of them coming from different parts of Africa and combining what they believed from before they were slaves into a unified belief.  The idea that if they had access to western medicine as slaves would somehow make them turn on their ancestral beliefs is 10000% white superiority yes?  People accept western medicine AND hoodoo type practices (Asante for example) and people still reject western medicine in favor of ancestral practices despite being exposed to western medicine so your position is negated by reality. "I'm not judging them even though I think their behaviors are pointless(otherwise I would do them) and I would expect anyone who comes across my beliefs to abandon their ancestors beliefs"  LOL 

"If a hoodoo practice turned out to be the best way to do it, then we would accept it and do it that way"  Ummm cultural appropriation anyone?  Like when they go and find tribal medicines and then turn it into a pill and sell it as a white western science invention?


-----------------------------------


The lady presented a very real position and many people hold it.  A rain dance is only one example, but it really applies to anything it dismisses from another culture but isn't capable of accurately portraying in the first place.  What is your rebuttal other than "I'd save all colors" and "There's black doctors" cause it's the same argument people who say "I have black friends" and "There's black cops" say when accused of being racist. 

What happens if more and more people start thinking like this regarding your specific institution?  You scoff at the notion that western medicine or science would accept a dance as equally important as phlebotomy, but what happens if it does to placate people?  Like when you bring in acupuncturists despite in your mind believing they are wasting their time and should just do it the way you suggest if they want to live?  You don't do that for respect of their beliefs, you do it so you don't get sued for discrimination.  Maybe you pat yourself on the back for being progressive and going against your beliefs by accepting beliefs you deem to be nonsense?  What happens if someone requests that you slaughter a small animal before performing surgery?  At what level of internal disagreement do you draw the line?

How is infecting Guatemalans with syphilis not human sacrifice like Aztecs ripping hearts out tho?

I'm not accusing you of not having Ethics nor of actually holding hate in your heart, but I'd suggest you figure out how to debate the positions I'm presenting you with because it's not going away.

Just because I don't fully agree with all aspects of a position doesn't mean I'm not able to accurately understand the position and argue for it.  Have you ever taken a debate class?


Edited by MrBlueYoMind (06/08/20 01:36 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemorrowasted
Worldwide Stepper
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/30/09
Posts: 31,377
Loc: House of Mirrors
Last seen: 3 days, 23 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 2
    #26728724 - 06/08/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah i am not gonna read any of that past you calling me a white supremacist, too busy at work playing patient advocate, contacting social workers so uninsured minorities can find facilities to go to and receive care, to have time to fuck around with edgelords playing devils advocate.
Quote:



If that particular person in the video who actually believes comes in here i would be happy to discuss why i do not believe that recommending western medicines to believers in hoodoo has anything to do with racism. Better yet i wpuld be happy to put her in touch with a black doctor to explain as much





Take care


Edited by morrowasted (06/08/20 11:23 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrian Jones
Club 27
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/12
Posts: 12,340
Loc: attending Snake Church
Last seen: 5 hours, 34 minutes
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #26728752 - 06/08/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tripsurfer said:
either a Fascist or a Nazi




What do you mean "or"?


--------------------
"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

The worst thing about corruption is that it works so well,


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepachooDiscord
Witchakookoo
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 7,135
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 5
    #26728759 - 06/08/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Quote:



even just psychiatry...Can we just talk about the 'witches' brews' that were used in the past that brought about some modern medicines? Or even the fact that it was the witches/Shamans/Pagans/Medicine Women and Men who use psychedelics in the first place to converse with spirit and heal traumas? I guess it's all just a little bit of hocus pocus anyways. :lol:




sure, those things paved the way for real medicine. Now we have it. I promise you you are better off getting a culture done to see specifically what kind of infection you have so that you can have a specific antibiotic regimen tailored to that infection rather than having a poultice of tee tree oil or whatever spread all of your wound. The latter is probably better than nothing but it aint as good as a real anitbiotic





I can’t tell if you are serious or not with your answer. There seems to be a much smaller population who relies solely on folk medicine than modern medicine for severe cases and injuries (with regard to people actually having adequate health insurance), that's not the debate. The debate is that you called it fake and bullshit. I think it comes from your lack of understanding when you state 'witches' or 'witchcraft' in general. Society deemed anyone who could heal with spiritual and found knowledge of plant use a witch. Therefor they were burned because it did not fit society's terms of what was medicine. Many doctors were unable to heal patients so they sought out alternative ways to be healed, and many a times alternative medicine, or witchcraft, was the cure. And those 'witches brews' helped pave a way for modern science when we found out how to use science to properly determine the used ingredients. Even in modern times, 'witches brews' use folk medicine to help alleviate symptoms and anatomical problems as a preventative measure, which is why most folk medicine has a citation that states that you should consult your doctor before using them.

'Witches brews' were not just poultices to rub on an infected persons either, using foxglove for heart problems which modern medicine paved to use the found chemicals for heart and blood pressure medicines as well a the witch's use of willow bark which ultimately made our way into modern medicine as common aspirin. Not to mention the amount of help witch's found knowledge of midwifery in society about childbirth.

I see you did not touch on the use of psychedelics in regards to witches and other pagan religions use of conversing with spirits and healing trauma. There is not much debate on the positives of that, concerning what forum we are on in the first place. As far as I am concerned, everyone who has gained positives, or trauma healing benefits, can thank the 'witches' of the past for tripping their asses off in the first place. And that's no fake or bullshit, hella real talk.


--------------------


:heartpump::heartpump: :heartpump::heartpump:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemycosis
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 19,727
Loc: USSA Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pachoo] * 3
    #26728769 - 06/08/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

^ I think we found one!!!!!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pachoo] * 2
    #26728784 - 06/08/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

pachoo said:
Not even just psychiatry...Can we just talk about the 'witches' brews' that were used in the past that brought about some modern medicines? Or even the fact that it was the witches/Shamans/Pagans/Medicine Women and Men who use psychedelics in the first place to converse with spirit and heal traumas? I guess it's all just a little bit of hocus pocus anyways. :lol:

:witch:

I just have to cackle a bit when people talk smack about witchcraft as if they only thing it entails is flying on a broom stick or summoning some sort of elemental spell/hex/whatever from their viewpoint.




Yeah, the particularly frustrating thing is that there are people who work with medical systems and tools that trace back to these people
but now that those practices are accepted by the medical community, somehow they have an ownership over them
and the Witches are only responsible for "everything else" that they could not yet get working

but hey, classic medicine in the days of actively hating and punishing people for witchcraft was great
you got demons in your blood so we are just going to slice you up and let you bleed out until that fixes it
don't trust those witches with their shifty herbal treatments trying to deal with biological imbalances

:rolleyes:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepachooDiscord
Witchakookoo
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 7,135
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted] * 6
    #26728799 - 06/08/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
No i was extremely lucky to not have been raised in the kind of environment that is conducive to turning 12 year olds into bullies. These days i treat people of all ages in the ED including kids. Hypothetical kid comes in a bruised up, supposedly "fell down the stairs". Ask the family to leave, get the real scoop. The kid has no father at home, older brother is a drug dealer who beats him and runs the house, uncle raped him repeatedly. Time to write a cps report. Happens at least once a month and it is usually poor minorities.  Yeah, that kid is a bully, and i would have been too, but i wasnt because i am lucky. I was able to get over the bullying and have a great life, some of these kids are never able to get over their childhood abuse. And yes it happens with white kids too, it is more a problem of intergenerational poverty but that problem is much worse in the black community and i believe the reason is that they are just coming out of centuries of oppression in the last 50 years. It takes time and proactivity to heal all of that. I can understand why white people who went through these problems feel left out to dry





It seems that you are deeming it 'understandable' for minority communities to abuse their children because of intergenerational poverty.

Absolutely fucking not.

There is no justifiable reason for it. Either you abuse the children in your household, because you are a piece of shit, or not, because you know that it's wrong and care for the well-being of the child. Irregardless of race, gender, or socioeconomic problems. It comes with choice and love, and that choice comes with already tangible knowledge found in the modern age of 'you don't abuse your children!' I mean, it's given freely and pounded into the heads of all American households on the television, in school, in society, and from before contraception.

Every child, regardless of race, should feel safe in their homes. Every abuse is different. And every race has this problem. If you go to a more predominantly caucasian area, you will find the same number of children who come from difficult or abusive households as you have found in your area.


--------------------


:heartpump::heartpump: :heartpump::heartpump:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepachooDiscord
Witchakookoo
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 7,135
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #26728803 - 06/08/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mycosis said:
^ I think we found one!!!!!





:witch:


--------------------


:heartpump::heartpump: :heartpump::heartpump:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTripsurfer
Bring Back Asante!
Male


Registered: 08/01/12
Posts: 7,129
Loc: West of Windward Flag
Last seen: 3 months, 27 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 1
    #26728856 - 06/08/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Forget it man :lol:

Its like talking to a wall


--------------------
Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26728861 - 06/08/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

IDK he seems like a virtuous guy.

He just seems to resort to name-calling and bailing.  I don't think he understands the argument being made.

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Yeah i am not gonna read any of that past you calling me a white supremacist, too busy at work playing patient advocate, contacting social workers so uninsured minorities can find facilities to go to and receive care, to have time to fuck around with edgelords playing devils advocate.
Quote:



If that particular person in the video who actually believes comes in here i would be happy to discuss why i do not believe that recommending western medicines to believers in hoodoo has anything to do with racism. Better yet i wpuld be happy to put her in touch with a black doctor to explain as much





Take care




It's not about recommending western medicine to believers of hoodoo, it's believing western science is superior to hoodoo or any other cultures healing beliefs which science rejects (and appropriates).  Weird how you think giving examples of you interacting with "minorities" is somehow proof that you aren't racist or how using a token "black" Dr is going to negate the position that science itself is colonized.  That's like classic white guy response. 

:cheers:


Edited by MrBlueYoMind (06/08/20 02:24 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleazzbo

Registered: 07/14/15
Posts: 1,311
Loc: Flag
OP is a racist shithead [Re: morrowasted] * 7
    #26728977 - 06/08/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

morrowasted said:
Yeah i am not gonna read any of that past you calling me a white supremacist





What was the thread title again :cookiemonster:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Onlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,049
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 5 minutes, 49 seconds
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: D3_Myc] * 2
    #26729056 - 06/08/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

D3monic said:
All the narratives lately feel very anti white, even from the left. Everyone likes to say, imagine what it feels like to be black... as far as I know most blacks have never been jumped, for simply trying to walk through a neighborhood.




Travon Martin 🤔

Here’s the video of Ahmaud Arbery being “jumped” for jogging through the wrong neighborhood. Now prosecutors are saying the guys hit him with their truck before this video of them chasing him down and shooting him started.


Black people get “jumped” by the cops all the time. That’s kinda the point of these protests.

Most white people haven’t been jumped for simply walking through a neighborhood. I’ve lived in the kinds of neighborhoods you are implying where white people get jumped and it never happened to me.


Edited by koods (06/08/20 02:20 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleD3_Myc
Weeb Trash
I'm a teapot


Registered: 05/06/18
Posts: 4,399
Loc: Year Zero
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: koods]
    #26729221 - 06/08/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Congrats? I’ve been robbed, assaulted, witnessed girls get rapped by ect. I’m glad you have only had positive experiences.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepirate-blues
Female

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 13,655
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: D3_Myc] * 1
    #26729224 - 06/08/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You witnessed girls get raped and you didn't do anything about it? Call anyone? At least threaten to?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleD3_Myc
Weeb Trash
I'm a teapot


Registered: 05/06/18
Posts: 4,399
Loc: Year Zero
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26729228 - 06/08/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I was at a party, what was I gonna do, get myself killed? I was 15


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: koods]
    #26729237 - 06/08/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Most white people haven’t been jumped for simply walking through a neighborhood. I’ve lived in the kinds of neighborhoods you are implying where white people get jumped and it never happened to me.





Used to walk through some pretty poor and ghetto neighbourhoods in gang territory on a nightly basis in Montréal

wonder if there is profiling that takes place aside from just skin colour
perhaps my foot+ long dreadlocks made people disinclined to identify me as an easy mark

in contrast, my preppy-looking friend in Saskatoon got robbed by a First Nations dude at knife-point in his own neighbourhood


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
OP is a racist shithead [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26729247 - 06/08/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I live in a predominately black neighborhood and I don't seem to have problems with my neighbors.  I have been robbed multiple times by black people just not in this neighborhood and it was always a betrayal type of set-up "friend of friend" kinda thing.  I've had white people steal from me too.

Cops do come out to this area and it has cameras on lightpoles and "POLICE SURVEILLANCE" set-ups.  People do get shot and stabbed around here but it's usually over some kind of pre-existing beef or a drug dealer preventing themselves from getting robbed. 

My brother has had his head cracked with a baseball bat for no reason by random black guys in an SUV.  He saw them pull around the parking lot and they came up behind him and he woke up on the ground with a headache.  He's been jumped and all kinds of other shit, but he also runs off at the mouth a little.  But not in this incident.

I have a friend of 20 years who is mixed and looks up to black leaders who use black supremacist language.  Things like "If you're black and you mix with whites, you're a traitor to black people."  and "If you have white friends, keep them close so you have inside information on your enemies."  So he looks up to someone that is telling him that his mom is his enemy and his dad is a traitor and he is inferior to "real black people."  It's such a fucked up scenario.


Edited by MrBlueYoMind (06/08/20 04:01 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
OP is a racist shithead [Re: Tantrika]
    #26729253 - 06/08/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

koods said:
Most white people haven’t been jumped for simply walking through a neighborhood. I’ve lived in the kinds of neighborhoods you are implying where white people get jumped and it never happened to me.





Used to walk through some pretty poor and ghetto neighbourhoods in gang territory on a nightly basis in Montréal

wonder if there is profiling that takes place aside from just skin colour
perhaps my foot+ long dreadlocks made people disinclined to identify me as an easy mark

in contrast, my preppy-looking friend in Saskatoon got robbed by a First Nations dude at knife-point in his own neighbourhood




I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to it for the most part.  Spontaneous acts of hate and violence.  If you look broke it might help keep you from getting robbed.  But the guy might have robbed anyone that he came across.  Wrong person wrong day?  I've been in the wrong areas and there were people around who looked out for me as far as letting me know I was in danger and should GTFO ASAP so even if you're in an area where there are racist black people not all black people are racist.

There are videos that people have made lots of money from where people go around recording themselves committing crimes.  I forget what they were called, but it was pretty disturbing to see it.  People doing Drive-Bys and all kinda shit.  People walking up to random people trying to battle rap them and then when they start rapping someone attacking them from the side and robbing them.  Walking up to random white people acting cool and then suckerpunching them.  Like you could purchase DVDs of this shit. 


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleD3_Myc
Weeb Trash
I'm a teapot


Registered: 05/06/18
Posts: 4,399
Loc: Year Zero
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika]
    #26729255 - 06/08/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’m sure there’s a bit of a difference between Canadians and Americans but I’ve never been to Canada so can only speculate based on internet interactions


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: OP is a racist shithead [Re: MrBlueYoMind] * 2
    #26729265 - 06/08/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MrBlueYoMind said:
...If you look broke it might help keep you from getting robbed. ...




That actually makes a lot more sense
most of my clothes and stuff at that time were pretty ripped up and had me looking like a bit of a hobo

tho one of my friends in University who was much more well off than me once had two girls in the metro offer to buy him a meal
because he was wearing a CCCP army jacket from when he had spent time visiting China
and they were convinced only a homeless person would wear something looking so ratty

so maybe my appearance just also had some degree of unapproachability :lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: D3_Myc]
    #26729276 - 06/08/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

D3monic said:
I’m sure there’s a bit of a difference between Canadians and Americans but I’ve never been to Canada so can only speculate based on internet interactions




Ehhh
yes and no
gangs are still gangs up here
have witnessed a swat team spill out of a van to arrest a kid with a handgun half a block from one of my apartments

poverty-related muggings seem to be more contained to the First Nations communities up here rather than Black communities
people can call me out for racial profiling, but crime statistics are all out of wack relative to % of the population base
and it is my opinion that a lot of the motivation for it is people who end up in poor inner city communities with no other outlets to turn to
rather than being something racially ingrained in First Nations

Canada has systematic discrimination against First Nations due to the history of colonialism,
but we did not develop as profound of a systematic discrimination against people from Black backgrounds as the US did


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemycosis
Male User Gallery

Registered: 08/20/07
Posts: 19,727
Loc: USSA Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika]
    #26729290 - 06/08/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
gangs are still gangs up here
have witnessed a swat team spill out of a van to arrest a kid with a handgun half a block from one of my apartments





And therein lies the difference.

:laugh2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: mycosis]
    #26729297 - 06/08/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mycosis said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
gangs are still gangs up here
have witnessed a swat team spill out of a van to arrest a kid with a handgun half a block from one of my apartments





And therein lies the difference.

:laugh2:




it was a year or two after the shooting that took place at my school (Dawson college)
the authorities don't fuck around with guns, but yeah, they also don't tend to shoot people for having a weapon

still tho, with regards to the gang factor, they still get guns and drugs into the hands of high school students and push for sales to youths that way


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepsi
TOAST N' JAM
Male User Gallery

Registered: 09/05/99
Posts: 31,456
Loc: 613 Flag
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26729387 - 06/08/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

koods said:
Most white people haven’t been jumped for simply walking through a neighborhood. I’ve lived in the kinds of neighborhoods you are implying where white people get jumped and it never happened to me.





Used to walk through some pretty poor and ghetto neighbourhoods in gang territory on a nightly basis in Montréal

wonder if there is profiling that takes place aside from just skin colour
perhaps my foot+ long dreadlocks made people disinclined to identify me as an easy mark

in contrast, my preppy-looking friend in Saskatoon got robbed by a First Nations dude at knife-point in his own neighbourhood




Yeah my experiences in Scarborough were similar for the most part, walked through rough neighborhoods at night frequently with no issues. Although I did once see a stranger get shot there, in the daytime.

In Canada the most violent areas are places like Brandon, MB and North Battleford, SK, not so much the big cities. Some small cities like Timmins and Thunder Bay are up there.

https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places-2020/


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBlueYoMind
Don't do drugs (Without me)

Registered: 04/27/11
Posts: 3,753
Last seen: 1 month, 25 days
OP is a racist shithead [Re: psi] * 3
    #26736327 - 06/11/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This is the most ironic thread ever.

Morrow accused others of being nazi despite their use of shrooms, and has been shown to be a white supremacist himself. 

So far he's called non-white methods of healing bullshit, and acknowledged when western medical institutions get ahold of (see:culturally appropriate) non-white medicine it turns it into "real medicine."  He also bragged about his schooling in "philosophy," which is literally him saying he is educated in how white people think. 

Currently, white Dr's are looking into the benefits of psilocybin to treat depression.  They are literally in the process of turning tribal medicine into a new drug, or as morrow would put it "real medicine" and it's just fucking shrooms.  I wonder how much they're going to charge for quite possibly the cheapest drug in the world? 

When confronted with his white supremacist thought processes, he refused to even read why he might be considered a white supremacist then tucked tail and ran after dusting off and parading around his minority-work trophies.  "I know I'm not a racist because I have black clients and there's black Drs enforcing white models of thought and medicine that I believe to be superior, but am willing to take things that are shown to be effective and present them as my own once it becomes REAL" this guy has a total lack of self awareness. 

Calling people contrarian and edgelord isn't a valid response either, and you've used it multiple times.  I certainly hope you didn't pay for that education in philosophy.

"I'll only debate this position with the people in the video, even though I know its close to impossible/extremely unlikely for them to come to the Shroomery to debate me."  WEAKSAUCE


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletyrannicalrex
Strange R
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 38,323
Loc: subtropics
Re: OP is a racist shithead [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #26736592 - 06/11/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I'm thinking he did get his education in Texas, and we all know they skew the books to fit the Texas narrative.:shrug:

:nursemaryjane:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: morrowasted]
    #26756782 - 06/19/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

so, real question,
we can clearly identify an issue of not only a recognized presence of these influences in our community
but also potential issues of recruitment that radicalizes decent Shroomerites

how do we make the community more welcoming to the sorts of minorities the shitheads hate
in order to make the community less welcoming to those who would drive people off?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletyrannicalrex
Strange R
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 38,323
Loc: subtropics
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26756820 - 06/19/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah come back morrow, I was just taking a jab at Texas because I'm from there.:heart:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelarry.fisherman
shoulda died already
I'm a teapot

Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 36,294
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika] * 4
    #26756991 - 06/19/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Acceptance. You can't change the experience, you can't change the community. Best thing you can do is ignore what you can't politely disagree with. The appeal of such a community is that people have open minds, that doesn't mean they come to the same conclusions as you. Doesn't it make more sense to change minds and be an influence than to diminish the community? People have value even if you don't agree with what value they have. Everyone agreeing with eachother and saying "i L0v3 Uuu!" isn't constructive or interesting.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletyrannicalrex
Strange R
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 38,323
Loc: subtropics
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26757029 - 06/19/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #26757030 - 06/19/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
Acceptance.




Accepting racism sounds like a horrible idea that diminishes more people than it benefits, sorry

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
You can't change the experience, you can't change the community...Doesn't it make more sense to change minds and be an influence than to diminish the community?




This seems inconsistant -- either the community cannot be changed (do not agree)
or it can be changed and makes sense to do things that do not diminish the community (agree)

this is why the goal is to make the community more welcoming to more people
and if the worst who are hanging on decide to leave because their racism is not accepted
the community benefits further
:cookiemonster:

am not arguing that if we just up and ban the offenders new people will quickly come in -- we need to get new quality posters who pressure out the trash

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
Everyone agreeing with eachother and saying "i L0v3 Uuu!" isn't constructive or interesting.




No one is asking for that,
but if the choice actually were between this
or hateful people spewing non-constructive rehashed racist rhetoric that has been parroted over and over without ever going anywhere
would definitely take this


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelarry.fisherman
shoulda died already
I'm a teapot

Registered: 11/03/12
Posts: 36,294
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika]
    #26757063 - 06/19/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You see things in black and white a lot huh? So what you want is hate campaigns to make the community more loving and vibrant. Please tell me more of my inconsistency.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26757074 - 06/19/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
You see things in black and white a lot huh?




Larry: you have to accept racism because the alternative is a boring place where people say "i L0v3 Uuu!"
Me: no, we need a middle ground that is not leaning so heavily in to racism so that we can have a larger and more diverse community
Larry: omg you see things in black and white

:stonedjerk:

Quote:

larry.fisherman said:
So what you want is hate campaigns to make the community more loving and vibrant.




No, this is apparently how you perceive me saying we should have more racial diversity and shared ideas
and that if that scares off the racists who want to control what everyone thinks and limit diversity
so be it


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 10 hours
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: Tantrika]
    #26757095 - 06/19/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Anybody that disagrees with me = racist.  Must have zero tolerance for racism (people that disagree with me). Now the community is perfect for me. :cookiemonster:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: Lucy in the Sky with Nazis (Or why this forum is filled with racist shitheads even though it's about shrooms) [Re: qman] * 1
    #26757103 - 06/19/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Anybody that disagrees with me = racist.




yeah you do push a narrative of "anti-white racism" a lot

Quote:

qman said:
Must have zero tolerance for racism (people that disagree with me).




You're good at that too, claiming pro-black issues are anti-white

Quote:

qman said:
Now the community is perfect for me. :cookiemonster:




Glad you feel that way, hope that we can improve it for others tho

:cookiemonster:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTotodile386
Foreigner, Vegan, Pesticide-Free
Female User Gallery

Registered: 06/17/20
Posts: 107
Loc: Oregon Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 6 months
The Point [Re: Tantrika]
    #26757160 - 06/19/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's in the ol' Bible.

Wine can be a holy place.

But wine is not for everyone. Wine can't be taken just any time. And wine is not God. -__-


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: The Point [Re: Totodile386]
    #26757176 - 06/19/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Totodile386 said:
It's in the ol' Bible.

Wine can be a holy place.

But wine is not for everyone. Wine can't be taken just any time. And wine is not God. -__-




This has been a division within community thinking going back to at least Leary and Ram Dass

but it also shows up in traditional communities in the form of very controlled ceremonial intake with an experienced guide
the Elusinian Mysteries were also strictly controlled and limited as to who could take the mixture when

personally opt for solo tripping, so am everything that is bad and individualistic about consumption
but perhaps the 'reason' for cultural controls was indeed an attempt to mitigate these substances being available to people who were not also recognized by cultural standards as being ready to partake

would potentially be willing to argue that a racist who takes psychoactive substances and becomes more cemented in their racism
has effectively done damage to their mind -- not brain


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: The Point [Re: Totodile386]
    #26757181 - 06/19/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of today’s recent surge in the race movements remind me of those addicts who will tell other addicts to get clean and exactly how to do it and they know everything about how to solve the problems of the world yet while they  themselves are a mess and are still hooked on dope.  Work out your salvation and get your own house in order. 


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: The Point [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26757190 - 06/19/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Work out your salvation and get your own house in order.




Shoot for the moon, if you miss may you go peacefully in to the Void


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: The Point [Re: Tantrika]
    #26757196 - 06/19/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Re read my edit.  No need to shoot for the moon, ur likely to hurt a lot of people on the way or add to the confusion and chaos or complicate things further.

Just fix oneself as best one can ,and understand human nature including ones own nature as the same as others, and know ones own ignorance. 

TLDR - know thyself, and clean up ur own side of the street before taking on your neighbors.  There’s a good reason for this order of operation.


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: The Point [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26757209 - 06/19/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
No need to shoot for the moon, ur likely to hurt a lot of people on the way or add to the confusion and chaos or complicate things further.




Shoot for the moon = work out your own salvation

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Just fix oneself as best one can ,and understand human nature including ones own nature as the same as others, and know ones own ignorance.




Yeah this is why my method is using love to drive out prejudices
worked for me, makes sense for it to work for others
but failing that, prepared to go peacefully in to the Void


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: The Point [Re: Tantrika]
    #26757222 - 06/19/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oooh

:Awemazing:


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleTantrika
Miss Ann Thrope
Female


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/26/12
Posts: 17,138
Loc: Lashed to the pyre
Re: The Point [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26757293 - 06/19/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Oooh

:Awemazing:




like,
if we recognize the most practical way for us to counter racism
is to expose racists to experiences that normalize diversity of opinion
then how do we get more people from more backgrounds joining up to share their psychedelic messages
how do we broaden the scope of discussion and topics with more perspectives
instead of so much devolving into the same old tired messaging rehashed by the same handful of people driving posters away

personally can just be as me as possible, and be my little atypical point of reference and input
nobody special, hate having attention on me, but recognize a lot of topics on the forum would not have a trans perspective included without me


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* The Shroomery Needs a 'Rythm and Gangsta' Forum Divided_Sky 1,147 10 12/14/04 12:08 AM
by Hooty
* My talk with the racists at stormfront.
( 1 2 all )
JiminiCricket 11,065 28 04/19/15 10:31 AM
by zappaisgod
* I'm high ....to the sky
( 1 2 3 all )
MOTH 1,824 45 05/21/04 07:20 PM
by DestruKtiKon
* Forum Rules Ripple 3,284 0 09/03/04 02:20 PM
by Ripple
* Sky's the Limit daba 941 5 02/17/04 09:04 PM
by Frog
* Goodbye Blue Sky
( 1 2 all )
TYL3R 1,992 25 01/17/05 09:59 PM
by blissedout
* define what it means to be a racist
( 1 2 3 all )
oDin 4,995 46 11/19/03 12:34 AM
by Rose
* New to the forum, thought I'd share an experience.... sk8rjeff 1,305 11 08/01/04 12:39 PM
by iloveraving

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
2,626 topic views. 5 members, 51 guests and 58 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.107 seconds spending 0.016 seconds on 14 queries.