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Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA * 3
    #26724702 - 06/06/20 08:02 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)
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The Core of how this happens completely condensed down to a few pages....

Was the one who discovered LSH stabilizing/saturating recipe in dreams by accident over 20 years ago and wrote it up on the now defunct Lycaeum forum, since then countless people have experimented with LSH enhancing recipes...here is the original dream recipe and how it forms externally in solution and possibly in vivo (in the liver as well) to transform the natural LSH and LSA in the seeds to more potent forms of themselves via acetaldehyde adduction, paper explaining the process below. With this recipe, there is no sedation felt, instead the dreams are energizing/stimulating and potently psychedelic/entheogenic & euphoric.

The accidental recipe discovered is actually based on historical data which came about after reading the book "Road to Eleusis" by Albert Hofmann, discoverer of LSD & R. Gordon Wasson, discoverer of the ancient mushroom rites in South America, and professor Carl A.P. Ruck [also author of the amazing book 'Sacred mushrooms of the goddess, secrets of Eleusis'], scholar of entheogens & ancient Greece.....who all describe the rites held at Eleusis for initiates in ancient Greece for over 2,000 years believed to be propelled by the effects of a powerful psychoactive potion into revelatory mind states with profound spiritual and intellectual ramifications. Plato, Socrates and a host of other philosophers drank the sacred entheogenic brew kept secret by the priest at Eleusis. Men, women and even slaves were allowed initiation.

Description of the stimulating Mystery molecule hypothetically created by this thread's dream recipe externally in solution and possibly in vivo (in the liver as well):

A plausible explanation is that acetaldehyde is adducting on to the NH group of the indole ring further below on the LSA structure, creating something more akin to what ald-52 looks like (see attached pic at bottom) according to the aldehydes adduct paper. How this plays out as far as effects-wise/stimulation/etc. in the human body is unknown.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.../pmc/articles/PMC49935/
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Page 8441 "Reaction of Indole with Acetaldehyde: A 0.2% solution of indole in equal amounts of water, ethanol, and acetaldehyde formed a product with 60% yield after 1 hour of reaction at ambient temperature. Omitting the ethanol (50% acetaldehyde in water mixture) had no effect. Decreasing the concentration of acetaldehyde to 0.1% increased the reaction rate and percent yield of product."

See pic of the researchers's indole + acetaldehyde adduct product formed ---> ie before (page 8439) and after (page 8441).





2016 Polish morning glory study which finds 3x higher amounts of LSH in MG seeds direct from grower/producer vs retail:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih...mc/articles/PMC4830885/





LSH is found in amounts in fresh seeds comparable to LSA, a decomposition product of LSH (see attached pics from study).

2016 Polish MG study:
Quote:

Alkaloids abundance in all 3 HB cultivars is comparable, with most significant difference for LSH (Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide), which varies from 0.54 to 1.71 compound to IS ratio.

As has been demonstrated in this study, LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism.

Indeed, seeds IT-HB2, which express highest concentration of LSH, were bought directly from the producer, whereas seeds IP-HB1 were purchased in retail stores.



We already know that LSH is found in fresh morning glory seeds in amounts nearly equal to LSA, and that LSH is a labile adduct of ergine and acetaldehyde, which rearranges to LSA in neutral water, but we know from researchers that it is stable in acidic solutions. LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is found in abundance in fresh morning glory seeds. Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine. Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH is very LSD-like. I totally agree.

The in-vivo liver adduction hypothesis of "adduction of acetaldehyde to LSA at the bottom of the indole ring" (like adducts paper saids can happen) to something more akin to looking like ALD-52 bottom indole wise ---> might likely help to explain why there is no sedation felt after solution is drunk, instead entire experience is energizing, as if only LSH effects are felt, along with the stimulating penniclavine, and whatever is created with the leftover LSA to something described above.

In The Hallucinogens by Hoffer and Osmond (1967), ALD-52 is listed as having a lower [approximately 1/5] intravenous toxicity (in rabbits), a lower [approximately 1/8] pyretogenic effect, an equal psychological effect in humans, and double the "antiserotonin" effect as compared with LSD.

So it appears that this "mystery compound" created by the adduction of acetaldehyde to the NH group on the bottom indole of LSA will be stimulating as we know that ALD-52 is double the anti-serotonin properties of LSD, and whenever a molecule is strongly anti-serotonin, it is also strongly stimulating.

Examples of strongly anti-serotonin (block serotonin) and thus highly stimulating molecules:

* LSD
* our mystery molecule made from adduction of acetaldehyde + LSA at the bottom of indole NH group formed externally in solution (and possibly even in the liver) according to J E Austin & H Fraenkel-Conrat's aldehyde adduction paper. Will look similar to what ALD-52 looks like at the bottom.
* cocaine
* orally active coca-ethylene formed in liver from coca leaf tea bags + wine, each tea bag = 5mg cocaine: Vin Mariani wine with coca leaf was drunk by the Pope and Thomas Edison & leagues of famous people back in the 1800's. It consisted of wine with at least an alcohol content of 15% and added coca leaf (coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine) which in vivo (in the liver) turned into coca-ethylene which was orally potent, the secret of it's strong activity was not even discovered until 1994.
* ibogaine
* mescaline
* psilocybin
* 5-meo-dmt
* bufotenine

69ron & Kash also back up the claim that there are no LSA sedative effects left over or felt, only stimulating/energizing, euphoric and psychedelic qualities. 69ron writes about this for 2 pages (both quoted in this thread) and rightly so, as it is a revelation the first time you experience it. I think the reason some of his conversions worked 100% and others failed completely was because: 1) he did not acidify his solution, and 2) he did not use high acetaldehyde containing wine, but rather mint tea only, and 3) at other times he used rum (not much acetaldehyde that I know of.)
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69ron: "Fact: This conversion, when it works, produces an effect that is very different from LSA. Far more like LSD, and stimulating instead of sedating. When it works, the difference is HUGE, not a tiny difference, the experience is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I know the effects of LSA and LSD very well. He has used them many times. He guarantees that when the reaction works, there is NO NOTICEABLE LSA left at all in the experience. It becomes almost identical to an LSD experience at low doses. Totally different from LSA. "
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Kash: "Swim just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.

Basically, peppermint oil is dirt cheap from any grocery store and it theoretically converts LSA to the LSH which has a very similar structure to lsd, so mix it it cant hurt your odds. Swim has tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals. Coincidence? ... maybe, but it is best to play it safe imho."
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Polytrip: "A friend of mine is on antidepressants. He once took LSH with his daily dose of nortryptilin. He convinced me that the effects where exactly like LSD. So yesterday i took two of his nortrilen tablets and some LSH obtained from a handfull of morning glory seeds, and some passionflower. I was stunned. In the dark and with closed eyes, the effects where EXACTLY like those of LSD. The only difference was that in the light it was a little less like LSD. LSH is a very odd phenomenon. It's very much like LSD, but it in my experience it takes a little longer before it's fully active. I also experienced an LSH trip on unprocessed seeds once. It seems that LSH is present in high amounts in some seeds. At the same time i believe that sometimes LSA is converted in the body into some more psychedelic compound that could be LSH."
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Jamie: "Yeah that LSH can be very visually powerful..the only time I got morning glories to work was when they were fresh..and they blew away LSD for me. I had real visions..I am thinking there was more LSH in them than LSA..all the other times I just got some euphoria and nausea."
Aegle: "LSH comes on far quicker than LSA, within about 30 min as opposed to an hour for me personally. LSH is far more acid like in the visuals and in the total experience."


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LSH in the seeds is labile or unstable in neutral water according to the study due to "too aggressive ionization conditions", see pic below, and will re-arrange into LSA if it is not in an acidic solution.

See attached pic below "Effect of LSH decomposition to LSA after the MAE extraction of 10 mg of IT-HB1 seed sample, supported with hypothesized LSH to ergine reorganization mechanism."


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** Notice here from others as well how acidifying the extraction water beforehand (like I mentioned above) will stabilize the LSH in the seeds so that it will not decompose or re-arrange back to LSA in neutral water:

Hermes (Lycaeum March 2003) on MG visuals, visions & strength (note: no added peppermint extract or chilled spring water made fresh peppermint tea or sherry): "Depending on seed quality, you should get some weak to decent effects from 8 grams, like mild reality bending, marked enhancement of aesthetic perception, insights, weak open eye visuals, moderate but subtle closed eye visuals (especially with music). I find that more satisfactory results are achieved with more seeds, like 14 grams or more. This much is needed to enter truly psychedelic territory. I wouldn't recommend this much if you haven't tried lower doses with the same seeds and method, however. Make sure that your toes don't go numb or tingly on 8 or so grams first. And don't mix with other vasoconstrictives, like ephedrine or caffeine.

I usually just measure by Burpee bags. These are 1.8 grams each. I have used anything ranging from 3 to 12 of these. Strangely, the 12 bag trip was relatively weak. They must have been some old seeds. My strongest experience ever with MG seeds was with the Martha Stewart brand from K-mart.

I had strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are about 32-36 seeds to a gram. The Martha Stewarts are more expensive than the Burpees. They are like $1.30 a bag or something close to that for a 1.2 gram bag. The Burpees are something like $0.88 a bag and each bag has 1.8 grams. That's $2.05 a gram for Martha Stewart seeds and $0.92 a gram for Burpee seeds. It seems to be a trade off.

My favorite way to go about this is to first wash the whole seeds in a bowl with a little water and a very small amount of liquid handsoap. I slosh them around and rub them a bit in the soapy water (not too long--could reduce potency). I then rinse them good with cold water in one of those screen vegetable strainers. This is intended to wash off any fungicide or other adulterants. I then dry the seeds well with paper towels.

Then I grind the seeds in coffee grinder to a fairly fine consistency, but not to the point of being powder. The hulls should remain somewhat course, while the lighter colored inner stuff is pretty much powder. I then put this stuff into one or several empty tea bags. Don't overfill one. If the bags are small, use several. Next, put the bag(s) into a full glass of cold distilled water (w/squirt of lemon juice to acidify water beforehand) and use a spoon to press on them and make sure they are well-saturated with water. Let sit for 10 minutes in a cool dark place.

Use spoon to squeeze and agitate the bag against side of glass some more to get more stuff out. Don't press too hard or you will break the bag and get seed mush into the water, which is undesirable. Leave for 10 more minutes. Squeeze again. Leave for 10 minutes. Squeeze.

Remove bags after squeezing most of the water from them into the glass. You can suck on the bags if you want to get more stuff. I don't generally do this. Discard bags. Drink water. Get yourself into the mood with some good music and wait for effects. You might want to take a little ginger if you are worried about nausea. Usually I don't get any, but sometimes there is a little, probably partly from pre-trip anticipation anxiety.

When I am getting into it pretty well, I retire to the bedroom and turn off the lights and put on some good quality headphones with good music. This results in fantastic visuals unlike anything you have ever imagined if you have never used a good psychedelic before.

I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything. I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing.

I also find that I can control the imagery by an act of will. Anything I intend to visualize comes forth and then goes beyond what I have imagined and then transforms into something else. This is great for artists!

I could swear that on one occasion while listening to Mozart's Requiem, Heaven itself opened up inside my skull. It was incredible! OH, THE BEAUTY! I saw glorious celestial architecture and there were seraphs singing along with the chorus in the music. I just can't even begin to describe what this was like. I had tears streaming down my face. I was in the highest ecstacy I have every known. And all of this with nothing more than a good mindset, good music, and only 500 seeds.

It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced, and I still feel great joy when I think of it. I felt so whole!
Nogal: "Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffe grinder in place of a stone metate (I think thats what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin). The only negative reaction experienced was a cramping and spasms of the inner thigh muscles which is mentioned in another post in the botanical forum."
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A few normal trip reports with MG seeds high in natural LSH, note following reports were "normal" and were written before the accidental discovery of recipe above, ie no added acidifiers to water, nor 1 shot sherry, nor mint tea or 5 peppermint extract drops. But they are given to show the dream value of morning glory seeds with good amounts of natural LSH:
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Piper methysticum: "Morning Glory seeds are definitely the most euphoric psychedelic I've ever taken during the onset and the first part of the peak. Not even a strong dose of MDA could compete with the euphoria I felt from 12g of Morning Glory seeds. However, the comparison of LSA alkaloids to MDA is ridiculous. The visuals from Morning Glory seeds are quite inconsistent for me. The first time I tried them, at 9g, the visuals were very dull, but the mental and physical aspects were awesome. My second time at 12g, the visuals were beyond amazing. I got the feeling of being completely in a warp through time and visuals were flying past me and unimaginable speeds. A couple of my unexperienced friends were talking about the tracers they were seeing at the same time this was happening to me. I had to laugh. With just 6g my third time, I also had some pretty amazing visuals, though they weren't nearly as mind blowing."

Next, I ordered some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. With eight seeds, the visuals were again, amazing. With twelve seeds, I had little visual effect at all. ..At least nothing I could make sense out of. With six seeds, again, no visuals. This I found to be strange, and I also noticed that I enjoyed the Morning Glory seeds more despite the part of eating a handful of seeds. However, through all of this, Morning Glory has become one of my favorite psychedelics of all.
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bluedolphin: "I get some impressive visuals off around 200 seeds. I've even had kaleidescopic vision from ~225 seeds. Granted I tend to get more visuals than most people, but at your dose I'm not surprised at all that you had some strong visuals."
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DJAngrE: "oh hell yeah, i've had major kaleidoscopic vision (but only when i close my eyes) i've actually had the strongest OEVs of any drug i've tried including mushrooms... LSA is the best music drug in my opinion, next time maybe take a couple hits of weed (with a much smaller dose of seeds of course) i promise it'll be just as sweet."
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human: "I tried out LSAs for the first time recently and I found them to be the most comfortable substance I've ever been on. While I don't have that much experience (mdma, mushrooms, 2C-I), I enjoyed the somtic aspects of LSA much more than the other substances I've tried. It seems you also found them quite comfortable. And yes, I believe LSA and MDMA are contraindicated. LSAs constrict blood vessels, and mdma raises blood pressure/heartrate. Bad combo. I also agree with the suggestion to smoke a bit of cannabis to ease the nausea."
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PimpTurk: "LSA is a really great drug..with roughly 200 heavenly blue seeds i saw ganesha morphing on my friends wall...not to mention all the mind bending breathing every object was doing.....and yes the comeup is EXTREMELY euphoric , it ranks up their will rolling in my opinion.....im thinking about trying them again VERY soon."
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MrNice: "The pesticides wont kill you, they will make you puke a lot though. I'm pretty lucky with MG seeds, my highest dose was 500 and even then i didnt get any nausea or leg cramps. I normally stick to around 250, i'll get a nice 7hr trip from them...the best way i can describe how i feel on them is serene. Everything feels so good, colours are brighter, music sounds richer, plus their cheap & easy to get hold of.

Usually have an LSA trip about once a week. One of the best effects is that you dont seem to get a comedown with them, its more of an afterglow. Your not tripping but you feel really relaxed and content.
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Chemist Peter Webster's morning glory extract experience, chapter 3 of "Center of the Universe": "The extract of Ipomoea violacea that we had prepared radiated power, just sitting there in its flask. A light amber, odorless syrup which, in the darkened laboratory fluoresced brilliantly blue under ultraviolet light, it was an extreme contrast with the series of messy, difficult to purify, dark-colored and discouraging volumes of intermediate sludge we had treated, and brought to mind the Curies and their arduous separation of a few tiny crystals of glowing radium from a mountain of pitchblende.

The difficulties had, however, taught us much about ways in which we would modify our processes for future work. As for the extract, the following day would see the first test of its activity, with myself as the guinea-pig. I was by this time hardly a novice in self-administration of my own preparations or in the estimation of what effects they might have.

I was, in fact, quite adept at taking most any supposed substance of enlightenment and avoiding nasty complications if the brew turned out to be bogus. On many occasions in New York, more than a little caution had been required to avoid not only the classic "rip-off" but also the inevitable dangers that Prohibition naturally produced. Once, a purported sample of magic mushroom I was offered proved to be only a few wasted store-bought champignons laced with powdered datura seeds. Although hallucinogenic, the experience of datura was not the least insightful, nor did it leave me with an experience which hinted at dimensions normally closed to everyday perception. I spent a few unpleasant hours also with Owsley's famous STP, which in the original dose was far too potent for human consumption. Fortunately I took only a quarter-dose, there having been evidence of difficult times for others with this synthetic drug.

The morning-glory extract provided not a nasty surprise, but a powerful surprise none the less. It was by far the most powerful experience I had yet encountered. Perhaps the methods of our extraction had yielded a product more representative of the shaman's recipe than the preparations obtained by other investigators, who reported only modest psychedelic effects. The experience of that day was hardly modest, from the beginning moments it certainly did not fail to inspire reverence and humility, no matter what the direction to which I managed to guide it.

The colors and geometric patterns, the rippling waves so often seen in watching clouds in the sky, the slowing of time and other typical effects so frequently described in the literature had some time ago become only minor and unattended aspects of psychedelic experience for me. Certainly, I still noticed these effects, if I took the trouble to pay attention to them. But the psychedelic experience had become for me far more an arena for the Herculean task of attempting to achieve the truly original perspective for viewing the fundamental questions that man has posed since the beginning of time. It was the task of freeing oneself completely from preconceptions, from habits of thinking that affected the outcome of seeking in unknown and unconscious ways. And of course, it was paradoxical, if not impossible to erase these filters of comprehension completely. To a very significant extent, comprehension consisted of these filters. Nevertheless, the psychedelic experience seemed to go quite a good distance in providing this ability, if one were ready to use it. Particularly the experience of that day."
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Nogal said: "HBWR is more body oriented while morning glory seeds have effects more similar to LSD."
I agree, and recommend only dreams with MG seeds and not HBWR. HBWR also has no history of Shamanic use, while MG has centuries of documented Shamanic use.
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The original recipe I used in dreams over 20 years ago calls for 500ml of DL tartaric acidified to ph=4 chilled spring water + 1 shot (30ml or 1oz) of cold sherry (contains avg of 10mg acetaldehyde) + chilled Bigelow fresh from foil sealed "mint medley" combination spearmint/peppermint tea (contains avg 2-5mg acetaldehyde/isovaleraldehyde & their corresponding acids) from sealed foil packet and 5 peppermint extract drops added.

DL tartaric acid (auction, etc.) is added only 10mg at a time to 17oz (size of one of those plastic coke bottles) chilled spring water until ph=4 using a 1 or 10mg accurate scale to measure the powder, a $7 ebay digital ph meter reads the ph level precisely, you don't want to overdo as it can seriously upset the ph balance of the body, and you will feel really bad. I got my jar of DL tartaric acid over 20 years at auction, and it is still good to this day.

Also don't forget Krystle Cole's "ergot wine" experience (several pages long) in this thread, reporting that she saw constantly rotating holographic Sanskrit or Arabic & Zodiac symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head.
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Dream Experiment #1 with 8g (250 seeds):

Went to the mall and experienced a powerful euphoric psychedelic journey for hours long ago, will never forget. I sat on a seat and watched women come and go from the changing room in the clothes section as they tried on different clothes watching themself in the mirror outside next to me while I waited on my wife to select her clothes as well. I was blown away with euphoria and an enjoyable psychedelic state. Even the music over the intercom sounded heavenly. The solution I drank on the way to the mall. I continued to walk in the rest of the mall for hours in a state of tranquility, profound happiness & peace.

Dream Experiment #2 with 13g (400 seeds):

* psychedelic effects magnified several fold

* euphoria was very powerful

* energizing, not sedating.

* closed eye geometrics were finally visible and spun, I had not ever seen these before with MG. I distinctly saw rotating colored vectors that spun 360 degrees as they moved from left to right across the visual plane.

* I felt like I was an extraterrestrial being, immersing myself in new sensory phenomena for the first time. The morning glory LSH saturated & stabilized recipe solution heightened my hearing sense but sounds were also quite different than normal, producing audio hallucinations.

Also don't forget Krystle Cole's "ergot wine" experience from the book "Lysergic" reporting that she saw constantly rotating holographic Sanskrit or Arabic & Zodiac symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head
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Material list:

1. home-grown cactus (main-stay some of the year)

2. miracle grow powder (add to 1 gallon watering can with spout) and feed once a month during growing season for monstrous Heavenly blue MG plants & flowers, very potent seeds!

3. Sherry wine (contains avg of 10mg natural acetaldehyde per 1oz or 30ml). One shot is used in recipe.

4. Peppermint extract, 5 drops used in recipe contain on average approximately 2mg water soluble acetaldehyde/isovaleraldehyde and their corresponding acids.

5. Combination fresh mint/peppermint tea which can be used along with peppermint extract drops, or substituted in place of it in the recipe. Recommend Bigelow mint medley tea which comes individually wrapped in foil pouches for peak flavor, freshness, and aroma.

6. Red light LED bulb, replace your lamp with it, and work only under a red light to prevent destruction of MG seed powder during & once hammered and ground in coffee grinder.

7. DL Tartaric acid, acidify 17oz (500ml) fridge cold spring water to ph=4 with a tiny dash smidgen of it till water reaches ph=4, LSH is very stable in only acidic environments, but decomposes in neutral water, very fast in alkaline water, or when heated. 16.9oz is the size of one of those normal sized plastic coke bottles. Digital $7 ph meter off ebay also needed.

8. 2 jars with clean automotive funnel which each have a loosely stuffed cotton ball in them, use to filter Ayahuasca, cactus, or MG seed solution....get's all the debris out, but leaves only the water soluble actives in solution, have used for decades, beats the heck out of coffee filters which will not anything to pass thru. Your stomach and intestines will thank you for getting rid of the nauseating particles which the cotton ball blocks & collects...no nausea! I have never thrown up in over 65 times using this process with Ayahuasca, cactus, or MG seeds, and always zero nausea to the stomach. The cotton ball & funnel is the best invention of the century, along with the toothbrush.

9. Coffee grinder used after seeds are hammered to a powder inbetween paper plate with hammer.

10. Paper plate with edges folded on ends to prevent loss of seed powder as seeds are being hammered.

11. cotton swab and blacklight in background, cotton swab is dipped into fridge cold seed solution after filtering, then is swabbed onto back of paper plate, plate is taken to another room with blacklight on to observe the beautiful blue glow of lysergic acid amides.

12. Seeds from freezer that had been frozen to preserve super high potency fresh off the vine fall picked pod MG heavenly blue seeds. Other option is to dream fresh heavenly blue MG seeds from growers on-line with over 350 5-star reviews.
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If you do ever dream with the seeds to remember that LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) decomposes in neutral water solutions, and quickly in alkaline solutions, and also if heated, but it is quite stable in acidic environments (just like the solution recipe I give). Traditionally (e.g. as reported from Wasson) they only soaked the mushed seeds briefly in water, then strained and immediately drank. Recall that even Hermes (12g extremely visual MG trip report in same thread) would also acidify his distilled cold extraction water with a squirt of lemon juice beforehand.

The amount of LSH in the seeds was found in levels comparable to LSA (a decomposition product of LSH) within the seeds, which is astonishing. The new study has increased our current understanding of the seeds. The researchers noted high relative abundance of penniclavine as an interesting observation as well.

Penniclavine has excitory effects on the central nervous system [Yui & Takeo, 1958] as well as lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH) which also excites the central nervous system in animals & caused dilation of pupils (Glasser, 1961). LSH is very similar to LAE-32 which is described in human experiments in TIHKAL, to be LSD like and stimulating at 1.5mg (1500ug). Albert Hofmann later discovered LSH in MG seeds around 1967 and put colored drawings of it in his book "LSD, my problem child." and apparently told Owsley that it was very "LSD-like".

LSD----------------------------------CH2CH3---CH2CH3

LAE-32----------------------------------H-------CH2CH3

d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide------H-----CHOHCH3

In the seed embryo:

LSA C16H17N3O = 267 g/mol + acetaldehyde C2H4O = 44 g/mol = LSH C18H21N3O2 = 311 g/mol.

LSD C20H25N3O = 323 g/mol

Jonathan Ott "Pharmacotheon":
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Ololiuhqui was far more prominent as an entheogen here in Mesoamerica than those mushrooms; the mushrooms are mentioned only here and there by a few competent chroniclers; yet almost an entire book was devoted to denouncing mainly the ololiuhqui idolatry. The annals of the Inquisition contain many times more autos de fe for ololiuhqui than for mushrooms.



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Concluding notes on the mint used in recipe:

1) Recall that it is believed by many that a CWE (cold water extract) of ergot was used in the sacred brew the initiates drank at Eleusis in ancient Greece for over 2000 years straight. We know from the writings that the brew also had mint added to it (which would theoretically contribute to changing the brew to one with more concentrated LSH). The water soluble aldehydes: acetaldehyde & isovaleraldehyde, are not only found in peppermint but mint as well.

CWE of ergot contains similar alkaloids as found in a CWE of morning glory, called Ololuiqui (Rivea corymbosa) by the Atecs.

2) We know from Plato's writings that the priest administering the sacred brew were seen with purple stains on their robes (see the book "The Road to Eleusis" by Wasson, Hofmann & Ruck), which likely came from sclerotia of the ergot fungus. When a CWE (cold water extract of ergot) is performed, the toxic non-water soluble ergopeptines are left behind and only the good water soluble psychedelic alkaloids dissolve into the water...there was plenty of ergot growing in ancient Greece at the time, and would have been more than enough to serve the hundreds of people who made the pilgrimage to Eleusis to drink the sacred brew.

Another option was Claviceps paspali infected wild grass Paspalum distichum L, which has been known to grow in the famous Rarian plain adjacent to Eleusis. It contains identical alkaloids as found in the Mexican morning-glory seeds.We also find from the writings that several people had snuck the brew out of Eleusis and consumed it at parties.

The Eleusinian Mysteries were initiations held every year for the cult of Demeter and Persephone based at the Panhellenic Sanctuary of Eleusis in ancient Greece. They are the "most famous of the secret religious rites of ancient Greece". Persephone's rebirth is symbolic of the rebirth of all plant life and the symbol of eternity of life that flows from the generations that spring from each other. Numerous scholars have proposed that the power of the Eleusinian Mysteries came from the kykeon's functioning as an entheogen, or psychedelic agent.

The initiates, sensitized by their fast and prepared by preceding ceremonies, are believed to have been propelled by the effects of a powerful psychoactive potion into revelatory mind states with profound spiritual and intellectual ramifications. Men, women and even slaves were allowed initiation. Plato, "the ultimate design of the Mysteries...was to lead us back to the principles from which we descended...a perfect enjoyment of intellectual [spiritual] good."

The main constituents of the Mexican morning-glory seeds are also the main alkaloids in ergot growing on the wild grass Paspalum distichum L. This grass grows commonly all around the Mediterranean basin (where the Eleusian rites were held) and is often infected with Claviceps paspali. It contains only alkaloids that are hallucinogenic and which could even have been used directly in powder form. The famous Rarian plain was adjacent to Eleusis.

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"Yes, except for he did a water infusion of the ergot, instead of alcohol."



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1) 50-100 seeds = light, 100-250 seeds medium, 250-400 seeds strong, 400+ seeds heavy.

2) Room was set up with a red light lamp in place of regular light to prevent destruction of MG alkaloids to light.

3) 250g fresh dry seeds right off the vine in the fall (I grow a dozen plants every year for their visual aesthetics & flowers) were first crushed with a hammer in between a paper plate with the edges of the paper plate folded in to prevent loss of crushed seeds.

4) The crushed seed powder from the plate was emptied into a coffee grinder and ground into even tiner particles, not quite a dust.

5) A 1-liter mason jar was filled with 500ml (half-way) fridge cold spring water acidified slightly to ph=4 with a tiny smidgen dash of DL-tartaric acid powder. (do not use tap water as the chlorine can destroy the fragile alkaloids). Spring made Chilled Bigelow Mint Medley tea (comes in a sealed foil packet for freshness, important!) & 5 drops (.25ml) of peppermint extract (using a pipette) & 1 shot of sherry wine (contains on average 11mg acetaldehyde) was then added to the solution as well & jar contents were stirred. Do not overdo the drops of peppermint extract or solution will taste like mouthwash.

6) The crushed seed powder was then added to the 1-liter jar and shook a bit, let sit in fridge for 20 minutes with occasional shaking.

7) The solution was then filtered thru a cotton ball stuffed in a funnel, and put back into fridge to sit for several hours, with shaking once per hour.

8] Cotton end of an ear cleaner was dipped into the fridge solution and then swabbed onto the back of a paper plate--plate was taken to another room with a blacklight to observe the beautiful blue glow of lysergic acid amides.

9) The solution was then drunk in dreams.

Details of cotton ball stuffed in a funnel filtering:

You should love the cotton ball filtering, it works for filtering out the debris from Ayahuasca, Cactus, or Morning glory seeds, when and if the cotton clogs, you simply replace it with another and continue filtering, may take 2, 3 or more cotton ball chang-ings, but your entheogenic brew will come out super clean and active, your stomach and intestines will thank you--no nausea! Yes, coffee filters are useless. Have dreamed this method of filtering for decades--get's all the nauseating particles out but leaves the water soluble actives in solution. Beats the heck out of useless coffee filters which will not allow anything to flow.

To use: just put one cotton ball in a large clean funnel to make it sediment free which reduces or eliminates nausea to the intestines...have two of these funnels with a cotton ball stuffed in them sitting in a large tall jar sitting side by side so that you can pour off liquid from funnel #1 into adjacent "funnel in a jar #2" to continue filtering once the 1st jar's cotton clogs up or slows down the flow too much, continue pouring off the funnel's contents back and forth changing out the cotton when or if it clogs.

When you are done with your cotton ball in a funnel filtering, take all your spent cotton and combine it in your hand into a single wad, make a fist and wring out any leftover liquid into a final funnel in a jar with cotton ball stuffed in it, to get every last bit of particle free liquid. You will want to use the larger size black funnels that you can find in your nearest automotive store, buy several of them.

The end. Be safe in dreams, the CWE extraction is the method the Shaman's and indigenous people used in South America, it is harm reduction (no eating of seeds).

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Thank you Redwoodmyc & lovepotion for the kind words.:smile:



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Thanks so much for putting the effort into such a great post!

If one doesn't have access to fresh seeds, is there a suitable alternative to use?


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Thanks for the kind words Radsquatch.



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If you have had a worthwhile cold water extraction experience with fresh morning glory seeds, I would love to hear about it from you. Please share.


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    #26733705 - 06/10/20 09:53 AM (29 days, 19 hours ago)

Very interesting writeup.

I have only experience with hbwr seeds so far. Took them quite often a few years back.

I always noted that I get some minor but nice lsd-like visuals in the very beginning, like 30 to 45 min after dosing the liquid (CWE). Way before the normal trip would even start.

Might have been some lsh in there, too.

Next time I dose seeds I'm gonna do this conversion with peppermint.

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Thanks Pandemoon for your experience and kind words.



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You beat me to it! I was just about to post about the video I saw of her describing the above. I saw it on a website/forum she used to run that was momentarily famous for her trip report involving DMT infused butter, a turkey baster, and her butt. She called it “The Shamanic Colonic”. I wonder if in addition to preserving the LSH, something in wine (acetyldehyde?) deactivates ergot alkaloid nasties. I’ve used cold water, wine, and 12% ethanol solutions on HBWR and wine wins every time for potency and reduced body load.




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    #26753429 - 06/18/20 07:56 AM (21 days, 21 hours ago)

very informative post. ive been wanting to try this for a long time but in the past when i got to my seeds in autumn, the rain had set in and molded the seeds in the pods before they were ripe. hopefully next season.


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Thanks for the kind words Awaken_us and good luck in your dreams w/fresh seeds.



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Poland has severe penalties for anyone caught using drugs, some of the strictest in the world. The ONLY good that has come out of this is that it has caused researchers to perform new studies on the plants people take as alternatives, just like the 2016 Polish MG study...giving us new knowledge (just like the high amounts of LSH & penniclavine, both CNS stimulants discovered in MG seeds). People have been getting high or changing their mind-state since the beginning of time, it is in our nature to seek out new & higher forms of consciousness.

I grow fresh year after year (I grow 12 heavenly blue MG plants) and vacuum pack and freeze (to keep their high potency freshness for years) the extremely potent seeds right out of the dried seed pods off the vine in the fall. See my two strong trip reports in the thread "LSH equilibrium stability". I use miracle grow once a month during the growing season and they are monstrous. But here are some current user reviews for a "fresh morning glory grower" with over 350 reviews/with some reviews from reddit group:
   
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    Yes, these are the seeds you're looking for, if you know what I mean.
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    These things are strong seeds... Won't forget my experience.
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    500 + Coffee Grinder + Grape Juice = #WOAHDUDE
    Have a sitter with rice ready to eat when you are done.
    Have the lights off. Blindfold yourself.
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    I "planted" my seeds, and then after about 3 hours, their beauty in the "garden" left me feeling euphoric and with many questions. The flowers that "bloomed" left me contemplating every decision I've made in life, and I am forever changed. Highly recommend seller.
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    all I can say is ..... be careful- with these and don't doubt them !
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    I planted 300 or so of these and I will never forget their beauty.
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    fast and delicious be careful not to plant to many you might be overwhelmed
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    Planted 260 seeds and had an amazing powerful experience. Totally worth the price if you are into gardening.
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Thread revised with details and all study pics.

Recommend if you do a cold water extraction on the seeds, then at least add a squirt of lemon juice to the distilled or spring water before you extract, this way at least you will preserve the natural LSH in the needs, assuming they have much at all.

Fresh seeds or seeds direct from grower (search fresh heavenly blue mg on-line) will have over 3x the amount of LSH as compared to seeds you will find on the retail seed racks in the store according the study, and in my own experience as well. Big difference. Read the reviews (over 300) for some heavenly blue MG on-line. This difference is significant, and can mean the difference between 500ug and 1500ug of LSH, and we know from TIHKAL that 1500ug of LAE (believed to be very similar to LSH) is stimulating & LSD like, yet shorter lived.

If you do locate or grow some fresh seeds, then vacuum pack and freeze the extra seeds and they will retain their potency for years this way.

Hermes and Nogal always used lemon juice. Lemon juice also contains natural aldehydes. Their trip reports (both with 400 to 500 seeds) are in post above one third of the way down. I only dreamed DL tartaric acid because that's what chemist Peter Webster always used (see his amazing trip report above as well) and TIHKAL mentions of course that d-tartaric is used to salt lysergic acid amides as well, even though supposedly the alkaloids are already in salt form in the seed embryo, but I cannot verify that as fact. But of course the extraction needs to be acidic in order for the LSH in the seeds not to re-arrange back to LSA, which will happen in neutral water, alkaline water very fast, or when heated. However, in acidic water, the LSH is quite stable, esp in cold water. Have seen DL tartaric at auction and ***zon. My bottle of it is over 20 years old, still good.

P.S. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke (see below) found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine. We know that MG has centuries of Shamanic use, while HBWR has no history of Shamanic use.

Ref: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71


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Jeez.  Why diddle with all this?  Just take some LSD, would ya?  :lol:


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    #26782175 - 06/25/20 03:47 PM (14 days, 13 hours ago)

I had a very pleasant experience yeas ago when I tried them CWE. I do have a lot of stuff now though, but still like the idea of trying it again. I think it was around 03, got the info here actually when I signed up, lol. Good to see you NB!:heart: I have turned a few people on to your MHRB tek, and they are ALL very happy!


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    #26782743 - 06/25/20 07:47 PM (14 days, 9 hours ago)

A long time ago I read about LSH. Someone took a lot of seed one night, and said they could feel their blood flowing. Weird?


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    #26785378 - 06/26/20 08:06 PM (13 days, 9 hours ago)

Thanks tyrannical rex.

Nature boy said:
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Jeez.  Why diddle with all this?  Just take some LSD, would ya?:smile:



Have dreamed Ayahuasca 65 times (Antipodes of the Mind is the best book on Ayahuasca imho) & cactus/Hofmann's potion hundreds of times in the distant past yet fresh MG right off the vine around a handful of times, but 3 of those were using this exact same recipe given here, and they were powerful experiences, unlike anything I had ever experienced with MG before.

This dream recipe transforms LSH and LSA into "indole NH group enhanced molecules" in dreams. The new hypothetical molecules not only reduce any side effects but achieve a stronger trip just like ALD-52 has been shown to do (Hoffer & Osmond, 1967). In addition, the trip is stimulating (not sedating like LSA)...as the higher stimulation naturally results from the new molecule's higher anti-serotonin qualities.

Long ago, used to stretch cactus dreams out (dosed w/tea amount in dreams corresponding to perhaps 300 to 400mg) by dreaming it with Hofmann's potion. Never preferred Hofmann's potion much on it's own, but in combo with cactus, extraordinary and the visions with closed eyes unbelievable, even many hours later before falling to sleep, still CE visions going on and on.

In answer to the message: MG might possibly add new dimensions and headspace in combination with other entheogens, as we know the semi-synthetic LSD has good activity at A2A but zero activity at A2B & A2C. I have examined the receptorome for natural LSA related alkaloids in the past (I only wish I could locate the paper again, sadly I cannot) and remember viewing significant activity at A2A, A2B and A2C (adrenal receptor sites in the brain believed to be associated with love, beauty & euphoric feelings).

Penniclavine (found in high amounts in the seeds, found to be CNS stimulating, Yui & Takeo) is a metabolite of agroclavine, and is active at the following brain receptor sites: Dopamine D1A, Dopamine D1B, 5-ht2a, Adrenal A2A, Adrenal A2B & Adrenal A2D, in comparison LSD (as far as adrenal sites are concerned) only has activity at A2A, but zero activity at A2B, A2C, and A2D.

The teamwork between the newly created "LSH & LSA indole NH group enhanced molecules" by the recipe and Penniclavine in the seeds is what imho results in the potent & very euphoric experience.

Ayahuasca, cactus & shrooms have great activity at A2A, A2B & A2C as well. LSD imho seems to be more analytical and has less of an aesthetic component compared to the natural entheogens, which is why LSH and other alkaloids in MG seeds may just add new dimensions & headspace to the experience, possibly even expanding upon the visuals & visions. Many have mentioned increased feelings of closeness with nature and high levels of euphoria.

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The 1992 adducts paper above which achieved a new indole-acetaldehyde adducted product (attached) at the NH group on the indole using only 0.1% acetaldehyde in ph=4 water solution found to happen "with or without the addition of ethanol" is similar to how the proposed dream recipe in this thread is transforming the LSH & LSA ergoline molecules from the morning glory seeds at the bottom NH group of the indole...forming a new compound which resembles ALD-52 at least at the bottom indole part of the ergoline ring.

The table from Sandoz suggested that ALD might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state. It is possible (though doubt it) ALD-52 was the active chemical in the "Orange Sunshine" LSD that was widely available in California through 1968 and 1969.

As stated earlier, ALD-52 also has double the "antiserotonin" properties of LSD, meaning it has even more activity at inhibiting 5-ht1a receptors (blocking serotonin), which make up over 80% of brain 5-ht according to Dr. Nichols, retired LSD scientist at Purdue University. Blocking serotonin is a very important activity of LSD, mescaline, ibogaine, psilocybin, Ayahuasca with caapi, 5-meo-dmt & bufotenine.

The more anti-serotonin a molecule is, the more stimulating it tends to be as well, which would help to explain why the proposed dream recipe results in stimulation/energizing trip rather than sedation. Indeed, experienced no sedation but rather both entire dream trips were energizing & entheogenic/psychedelic with high levels of euphoria, just as Kash and 69ron have experienced and discussed as well in their dream reports.







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    #26785392 - 06/26/20 08:11 PM (13 days, 9 hours ago)

If you can...let the dream solution (after you have extracted out the seed mush) sit in the fridge an hour or more so all the ingredients can react just like in the study (and around once an hour or more give it a swirl). I used to let it sit 3 hours, 69ron would let his sit in fridge overnight, but he only added 2 tablespoons leaf worth of chilled peppermint tea to his solution.

It reacts faster with all the ingredients I give above. I also acidified my water to ph=4 which is what the study calls for. The study showed 60% yield after 1 hour, but decreasing the concentration of acetaldehyde to only 0.1% of the solution (very similar to our proposed recipe) actually INCREASED the reaction rate and percent yield of product! This would explain my 100% conversion in such a short span of time.

69ron also reported 100% conversion several times. I think he could have avoided the failures by acidifying his solution. He said he either had 100% complete success or 100% failure other times. Acetaldehyde is naturally already at ph=4, just as the researchers in the study noted, so this may explain why the 2 tablespoons of peppermint leaf tea 69ron used was at least able to acidify his solution to some small degree, but I still recommend dropping the ph down to 4 (just like in the study) right away with an acidifier to guarantee success, don't count on the mint tea to do it for you, if it does it won't drop it that much.

The table from Sandoz suggested that ALD might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state.

ALD-52 has been shown to block serotonin even stronger than LSD. Entheogens which inhibit 5-ht1a (shown in green below in chart) block serotonin or 5-ht and are thus "anti-serotonin". Our hypothetical LSH and LSA "indole NH group enhanced molecules" not only reduce any side effects but achieve a stronger trip just like ALD-52 has been shown to do (Hoffer & Osmond, 1967). In addition, it's more stimulating...as the higher stimulation follows higher anti-serotonin.

Thomas S. Ray study: Breadth of Receptor Binding, 4.00=max (off the charts), 0.00=min
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LSD: 5ht1a = 3.73, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 2.88, mescaline = 3.61, 5-meo-DMT: = 4.00 (make up >80% of brain 5-ht)
LSD: 5ht1b = 4.00, DMT: = 0.00, psilocin = 2.19, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.41
LSD: 5ht1d = 3.70, DMT: = 3.91, psilocin = 3.40, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 3.48
LSD: 5ht1e = 2.62, DMT: = 3.28, psilocin = 3.03, mescaline = 3.16, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.72
LSD: 5ht2a = 3.54, DMT: = 2.58, psilocin = 2.14, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.98
LSD: 5ht2b = 3.11, DMT: = 3.91, psilocin = 4.00, mescaline = 3.97, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.69 (sensual & entactogenic)
LSD: 5ht2c = 3.11, DMT: = 3.42, psilocin = 2.52, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.55
LSD: 5ht5a = 3.64, DMT: = 3.16, psilocin = 2.83, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.84
LSD: -5ht6 = 3.75, DMT: = 3.35, psilocin = 2.82, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.73
LSD: -5ht7 = 3.77, DMT: = 4.00, psilocin = 2.82, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 3.69
LSD: ---D1 = 2.34, DMT: = 3.51, psilocin = 3.37, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 2.38
LSD: -A-2A = 2.93, DMT: = 2.75, psilocin = 1.36, mescaline = 2.92, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.00 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2a)
LSD: -A-2B = 0.00, DMT: = 3.53, psilocin = 1.57, mescaline = 0.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 0.86 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2b)
LSD: -A-2C = 0.00, DMT: = 3.53, psilocin = 1.03, mescaline = 4.00, 5-meo-DMT: = 1.57 (aesthetic/beauty adrenal a2c)




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LSD has very strong potency in blocking the action of serotonin. LSD is strongly "anti-serotonin". The morpholide lysergamide cousin had only about 1/10th the potency in blocking serotonin. Of the 5 diferent dialkylamides we studied LSD was the most potent and specific serotonin antagonist. 5-ht1a makes up >80% of brain 5-ht receptors.




As we go thru day to day life, the 5-ht1a brain serotonin filters (gates, or day to day survival filters as I like to call them) which make up over 80% of brain 5-ht are in place so that we will not be overwhelmed by the perception of the way things would appear to an un-filtered mind, or "Mind at Large" as Aldous Huxley describes it in "Doors of Perception" as "infinite or eternal". He also referred to the visions as coming from "the other world" in his book "Moksha". I prefer to think of it in similar terms as well "the spirit world" or "the other world".

5-ht1a inhibition by entheogens (in green above) theoretically cause this filter system to be lifted, and the infinite mind to manifest in combination with oral dmt from traditional psychotria for example with the caapi and/or harmalas providing the 5-ht1a inhibition, just as bufotenine in snuff's provide the 5-ht1a inhibition combined with the dmt in the snuff's, resulting in a 3 hour experience ie both examples of Teamwork on how these entheogens are used traditionally in the Amazon.

Thomas S. Ray's study shows a value of 3.57 at SERT for Ibogaine (4.00 is max). Ibogaine has been shown to inhibit serotonin transporter (SERT) noncompetitively, in contrast to all other known inhibitors, which are competitive with substrate. Ibogaine inhibits both serotonin and dopamine reuptake transporters, it is an SDRI or serotonin & dopamine reuptake inhibitor. Tetrahydroharmine is a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, it is an SRI found in caapi. In other words, both are strong serotonin reuptake inhibitors which inhibit over 80% of brain 5-ht at 5-ht1a.

In contrast, as an example, Cocaethylene (coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, the orally active & potent ingredient formed in the liver from cocaine + ethanol in the 1860's "Vin Mariani" wine popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison and scores of other famous people) increases the levels of serotonergic, noradrenergic, and dopaminergic neurotransmission in the brain by inhibiting the action of the serotonin transporter, norepinephrine transporter, and dopamine transporter. These pharmacological properties make cocaethylene a serotonin-norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor [SNDRI; also known as a "triple reuptake inhibitor"].

Cocaethylene has a higher affinity for the dopamine transporter than does cocaine, but has a lower affinity for the serotonin and norepinephrine transporters. In McCance-Katz et alia's 1993 study cocaethylene "produced greater subjective ratings of 'High' in comparison with administration of cocaine or alcohol alone."

Teamwork, just like the high levels of penniclavine + LSH (both CNS stimulants) in the MG seeds...all working together for the experience.


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    #26787952 - 06/27/20 08:05 PM (12 days, 9 hours ago)

Heavy duty ten hit 15 year old decomposed acid trip report...

and it has to do with how I got into growing morning glory...this is a true story below, and you may find it hard to believe, but this is how it all got started...

About 22 years ago, a dear friend of mine had given me a bunch of acid that he had kept stored in between the pages of a book (not even put into a baggie!)...and this acid he gave me was over 15 years old!

Took the 20 hits or so of 15 year old acid home and placed it in front of a blacklight, and noticed that it had decomposed quite a bit, instead of seeing uniform bright blue glow of LSD, it was splotted on the blotters, with each blotter still containing maybe 60% of what it used to have originally.

So I gave 10 hits of this decomposed acid to my girlfriend (who was at the time talking to her sister on the phone) and I took 10 hits of it myself in dreams, to our amazement, it began to work...it sort of had a strong sick feeling in the stomach to begin with as much of it was decomposed, but after 2 hours, it kicked in to super high strength for both of us, and the sickness had dissipated. I think it took 2 hours to work cause the chemically left good acid was in such bad shape.

Now to the good part...

There was a fake tree in the living room in the corner that had Christmas tree lights on it and gave off a pattern of shadows on the wall behind it...we both began to stare at the shadows on the wall, as it seemed to be beckoning us...as we could see images forming out of the shadows...then we both began to see the exact same thing on the wall!

We both saw an ancient powerful Shaman from South America who was wearing a huge beautiful head dress made of feathers. He seemed to be of great spiritual prominence...and he sat on a Living throne chair like something you might see out of Game of Thrones..but this chair he sat on was no normal chair...it had animals like Jaguars, Lions, and birds living in it, and they constantly morphed into different animals the whole time he sat there. Spirit animals that lived with him.

The image of the Shaman sitting on the Living Spirit "Game of Thrones like Chair", was incredible, it was beyond 4k, and highly detailed, we were both in shock and awe...and like I said...we both saw the exact same vision which is even more striking.

In the background behind the Shaman, we both also saw what looked like the Great Pyramid in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan. My girlfriend (now my wife) and I both saw hybrid creatures to the left and right of the Shaman. Upper-half human, lower half animal.

We saw centaurs, creatures from Greek mythology with the upper body of a human and the lower body and legs of a horse. Behind the centaurs I saw snakevines growing out of the ground which appeared to look like Ololiuqui climber plants...this vision went on for a good 20 minutes straight...we did not move an inch while we watched the "Amazonian tv-like movie visions" on the wall. The whole time the TV in the room was playing, but we ignored it.

The rest of the time the Shaman showed me visions of the rise and fall of civilizations throughout time, he would disappear for a few minutes, and be replaced with the historical visions, then he would reappear to show me another historical period in time. I was shown different periods of human history. I remember seeing the rise and fall of the Roman empire, the ancient Maya, over-exploitation of natural resources. Telepathically, he seemed to be telling me that if humankind was to survive, the only hope was a spiritual solution, a radical shift in consciousness.

Towards the end, the Shaman with his piercing and highly detailed eyes, looked us both straight in the eye, we were in shock, he stared intently, then he gazed with his eyes to the right motioning me to look to the right of the living room, ouside the window, to the patio area where I had a large plot of garden with nothing in it. That's when I instinctly knew that he was trying to tell me to plant entheogenic plants in the garden plot.

And that's exactly what I did, that summer I bought the best morning glory seeds I could find on-line and planted them in a bed of miracle grow (w/dried cow manure compost mixed in from garden store) in the garden plot, with a trellis I put into place with 2 cement supports to hold it upright.

Fed them 1 gallon of watering can with spout containing 1 tablespoon of miracle grow mixed just once a month, and at the beginning of planting. This I read would keep the lysergic acid amide levels high in the plant which eventually all transferred into the seed embryo's found in the pods when picked at the end of the fall season. Feeding only occasionally like this kept the foliage down, and the flowers large, they were monstrous. When I opened up the dried pods in the fall and picked the ever so slightly un-ripe black seeds, I could detect the faint smell of acetaldehyde given off the seeds when they were ground.

Dreamed the seeds right off the vine (vacuum packed all the extra black heavenly blue MG fresh seeds in food saver bags and froze them to keep their original freshly picked high potency) at least 5 times, 3 of those using the dream recipe in this thread, and those 3 dream experiences were extraordinary...I had found the adducts paper doing hours of research one afternoon, and that's when I knew that I had stumbled upon something extraordinary...and used the details from the study to hypothetically transform the high levels of LSH and LSA ergolines/indole structures in the seeds into something possibly intensified or amplified.

Reading the book "Sacred Mushrooms of the goddess, by prof Carl AP Ruck" and "Road to Eleusis" by Hofmann, Wasson & Ruck gave me the additional idea of adding mint/peppermint in the recipe along with the shot of high acetaldehyde Sherry (my idea from the adducts paper). Later in 2005 Krystle Cole (a former goth stripper from Kansas, who fell in love with LSD chemist Todd Skinner in 2000) describes her dream experiences in the book "Lysergic" with "ergot wine". Supposedly Todd had prepared 6 jugs of the ergot wine many years beforehand, and stored them all in the abandoned underground missile silo they lived in. She reports seeing constantly floating hieroglyphic symbols floating in a circle around Todd's head.

The end, now you know the story of how this all came about. When I experienced the three incredible dreams (after comparing them to my other normal fresh MG experiences) I knew I had accidentally stumbled upon something personally fascinating imho, and posted the dream on the now defunct Lycaeum forum long ago.

The vision of the Shaman with the huge beautiful headdress made of feathers sitting on the living thrown made of Spirit Animals, with the Great Pyramid in the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan in the background & snakevines in the distance...sort of looked like the attached pictures with the centaurs to the left and right. I must admit, these attached pics still don't do the vision justice, the visions were way beyond 4k, extremely detailed, as if newly created, of an artistic rendering unimaginable.









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    #26787956 - 06/27/20 08:06 PM (12 days, 9 hours ago)
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Breakdown of this entire paper:

In conclusion, this is how close the mystery molecule hypothetically formed (1992 adducts study confirms it can happen) with proposed recipe in this thread from over 20 years ago (LSH & LSA ergoline NH group indole adducts with acetaldehyde) is to looking like ALD-52 at the bottom indole NH group:

1) acetyl added to LSD at the bottom indole NH group to form ALD-52, acetyl = C2 H3 O, molar mass = 43 g/mol

2) acetaldehyde adducted to bottom indole NH group on LSH & LSA, acetaldehyde = C2 H4 O, molar mass = 44 g/mol

I also verified by reading a page on ALD-52 from the book "Ergot alkaloids & related compounds" by Berde that indeed ALD-52 has 2.1 times the "anti-serotonin" properties of LSD, and higher stimulation follows higher anti-serotonin, which may help to explain why our newly formed mystery molecules result in a stimulating/energizing trip instead of a sedating trip like with solutions heavy in LSA. Indeed, myself, 69ron and Kash have all confirmed the resulting trips are energizing/stimulating and not sedating.

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Fact: This conversion, when it works, produces an effect that is very different from LSA. Far more like LSD, and stimulating instead of sedating. When it works, the difference is HUGE, not a tiny difference, the experience is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I know the effects of LSA and LSD very well. He has used them many times. He guarantees that when the reaction works, there is NO NOTICEABLE LSA left at all in the experience. It becomes almost identical to an LSD experience at low doses. Totally different from LSA.



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Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.

Swim has tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.



Recall in the 2014 forensics paper attached from Paulke that no LSH :frown:was found in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine. We know that MG has centuries of Shamanic use, while HBWR has no history of Shamanic use.

All the experiments performed by 69ron and Kash were with extracts of HBWR seeds, they were transforming ONLY the high amounts of LSA and ergometrine in the seeds to the 1-acetaldehyde versions...so just imagine what kind of incredible experience they COULD have had if they had only dreamed with traditional Shamanic used morning glory seeds (like I did) which contain high amounts of not only LSH but also penniclavine.:smile: I have yet to read of anyone using this same recipe with morning glory seeds on the net...something to ponder. See my potent dream recipe experiments/experiences at beginning of thread.

Penniclavine (found in high amounts in the seeds) has excitory effects on the central nervous system [Yui & Takeo, 1958] as well as lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (LSH) which also excites the central nervous system in animals & caused dilation of pupils (Glasser, 1961). LSH is very similar to LAE-32 which is described in human experiments in TIHKAL, to be LSD like and stimulating at 1.5mg (1500ug). Albert Hofmann later discovered LSH in MG seeds around 1967 and put colored drawings of it in his book "LSD, my problem child." and apparently told Owsley that it was very "LSD-like".

Penniclavine (CNS stimulating, Yui & Takeo) is a metabolite of agroclavine, and is active at the following brain receptor sites: Dopamine D1A, Dopamine D1B, 5-ht2a, Adrenal A2A, Adrenal A2B & Adrenal A2D, in comparison LSD (as far as adrenal sites are concerned) only has activity at A2A, but zero activity at A2B, A2C, and A2D.

The teamwork between the newly created "LSH & LSA indole NH group enhanced molecules" by the recipe and Penniclavine in the seeds is what imho results in the potent & very euphoric experience.
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ALD-52 is named 1-acetyl-LSD, therefore...

the names of the two molecules (both found in abundance in the MG seeds) transformed with this recipe are then named:

1) 1-acetaldehyde Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (1-acetaldehyde LSH)

2) 1-acetaldehyde Lysergic acid amide (1-acetaldehyde LSA)

The table from Sandoz suggested that ALD might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state.

In The Hallucinogens by Hoffer and Osmond (1967), ALD-52 is listed as having a lower [approximately 1/5] intravenous toxicity (in rabbits), a lower [approximately 1/8] pyretogenic effect, an equal psychological effect in humans, and double the "antiserotonin" effect as compared with LSD.

Erowid ALD-52 experiences: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_ALD52.shtml

Off to the water park to take a much needed vacation from writing (my favorite summer Nature get-a-way year after year...many Covid measures in place). This is the end of this thread, I promise, this last page breaks it all down so it's easy to understand.














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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar] * 1
    #26791862 - 06/29/20 01:08 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

If you are limited on space, you can plant heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a bed of miracle grow garden soil (w/ added dried cow manure compost & some perlite mixed in from garden store) in a large wide clay pot, with a trellis put into the pot to support the fast climbing snakevines. I actually did it this way when I moved again into a new house, and kept all the clay pots sitting atop 1 foot x 1 foot square bricks to the side of the outdoor patio, so that they only got morning sun, very beautiful. You can find the very tall trelliss that fit inside the clay pots at your local garden stores.

Fed them 1 gallon of watering can with spout containing 1 tablespoon of miracle grow mixed just once a month, and at the beginning of planting. This I read would keep the lysergic acid amide levels high in the plant which eventually all transferred into the seed embryo's found in the pods when picked at the end of the fall season. Feeding only occasionally like this kept the foliage down, and the flowers large, they were monstrous. When I opened up the dried pods in the fall and picked the ever so slightly un-ripe black seeds, I could detect the faint smell of acetaldehyde given off the seeds when they were ground. The seeds are extremely potent when picked fresh.

Dreamed the seeds right off the vine (vacuum packed all the extra black heavenly blue MG fresh seeds in food saver bags and froze them to keep their original freshly picked high potency) at least 5 times, 3 of those using the dream recipe in this thread, and those 3 dream experiences were extraordinary...I had found the 1992 adducts paper doing hours of research one afternoon, and that's when I knew that I had stumbled upon something remarkable...and used the details from the study to transform the high levels of LSH and LSA ergolines/indole structures in the seeds into molecules which were intensified or amplified in their psychedelic effects & euphoria....trips were also energizing, not sedating.

Reading the book "Sacred Mushrooms of the goddess, by prof Carl AP Ruck" and "Road to Eleusis" by Hofmann, Wasson & Ruck gave me the additional idea of adding mint/peppermint in the recipe (just like the priest at Eleusis were know to add in to their sacred potion) along with the shot of high acetaldehyde Sherry wine (my idea from the adducts paper). Later in 2005 Krystle Cole (a former goth stripper from Kansas, who fell in love with LSD chemist Todd Skinner in 2000) describes her dream experiences in the book "Lysergic" with "ergot wine". Supposedly Todd had prepared 6 jugs of the ergot wine many years beforehand, and stored them all in the abandoned underground missile silo they lived in. She reports seeing constantly floating hieroglyphic symbols floating in a circle around Todd's head.

Now you know the story of how this all came about. When I experienced the three incredible dreams (after comparing them to my other normal fresh MG experiences) I knew I had accidentally stumbled upon something personally fascinating imho, and posted the dream on the now defunct Lycaeum forum long ago.

The recipe is given above along with how long the solution needs to sit in the fridge (a few hours to guarantee 100% conversion just like the study) for the acetadehyde adducts to form on the bottom NH group of the indole on ergoline/indole LSH and LSA structures to form the new 1-acetaldehyde LSH and 1-acetaldehyde LSA, forming new molecules which look very similar to what ALD-52 looks like at the bottom of the NH group indole as well.

ALD-52 is a cousin of LSD shown by Sandoz to have less side effects while achieving a stronger more relaxed trip, with twice the anti-serotonin properties of LSD, and the more anti-serotonin, the more stimulating, which may help to explain why the trips resulting from the recipe's transformed ergoline molecules result in very visual & euphoric psychedelic trips which are energizing and not sedating. You can view ALD-52 sample trips at Erowid's vault. However, our transformed mystery molecules have one more hydrogen on the group as compared to the 43 g/mol of ALD-52's acetyl vs 44 g/mol of our molecule's acetaldehyde adduct, which may help even more with the resulting energizing trip vs sedating trip as with typical normal LSA saturated solutions.

However, the recipe calls for use of morning glory seeds in dreams which contain high levels of LSH, we know from the 2014 Paulke study that HBWR contains no LSH, but rather high levels of LSA/iso-LSA (83%) and around 17% ergometrine, which will transform to the 1-acetaldehyde versions of themselves as well, but ergometrine is not as strong as LSH and results in some cramping and side effects, ergometrine levels are extremely low in MG seeds in comparison.

I actually had the chance in dreams to try ALD-52 around 10 years ago twice, and the blotter had diagrams of the ALD-52 molecule on the back of the blotter, and both times I found the high dosage trips I experienced to be PROFOUNDLY VISUAL, I remember looking at my wife's face and seeing it covered & overlayed with colored hieroglyphic symbols. The trip was very strong visually and yet I found it relaxed and potently humorous, I laughed for at least an hour watching episodes of "Funny or die" at the time.

I also remember seeing a group of Indian Shaman's sitting in a circle floating in mid-air when I walked into the bedroom, the trips blew me away with their potency and visuals...I miss ALD-52, but the recipe above will transform the morning glory seed's LSH and LSA into similar molecules at least at the bottom indole NH group, which helps significantly in achieving a much visually stronger trip, and sounds are amplified and music sounds absolutely heavenly, strong audio heightening qualities, the trips is very euphoric as well, also stimulating yet relaxed.











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Well thank you very much!


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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: psillyboy]
    #26794923 - 06/30/20 06:12 PM (9 days, 11 hours ago)

Thank you kindly tyrannicalrex & psillyboy, and thanks tyrannicalrex for your CWE experience.

I have re-named this thread "Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA" supported by 1992 adducts paper and 2016 Polish morning glory paper.

500ml ph=4 acidified spring water (prevents LSH from re-arranging to LSA in neutral water) containing filtered morning glory seed mush + one shot (30ml) of high acetaldehyde sherry (contains 10mg natural acetaldehyde) and 2 tablespoons fresh Bigelow leaf mint/peppermint fresh from foil chilled spring water made tea (contains 2mg natural acetaldehyde) w/or without 5 drops peppermint extract (contains avg 2mg acetaldehyde) and allowed to sit for 3 hours in fridge w/swirling once per hour for new 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde LSA to form with 100% conversion according to adducts paper.

Note: this converts the high levels of LSH and LSA in MG seeds to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA, by adduction of acetaldehyde to NH group indole on bottom of ergoline LSH/LSA ring indole.

Note how close the mystery molecule hypothetically formed is to looking like ALD-52 at the bottom indole NH group:

1) acetyl added to LSD at the bottom indole NH group to form ALD-52, acetyl = C2 H3 O, molar mass = 43 g/mol

2) acetaldehyde adducted to bottom indole NH group on LSH & LSA, acetaldehyde = C2 H4 O, molar mass = 44 g/mol

However, our transformed mystery molecules have one more hydrogen on the group as compared to the 43 g/mol of ALD-52's acetyl vs 44 g/mol of our molecule's acetaldehyde adduct, which may help even more with the resulting energizing trip vs sedating trip as with typical normal LSA saturated solutions.

Note: the recipe calls for use of morning glory seeds in dreams which contain high levels of LSH, we know from the 2014 Paulke forensics study that HBWR contains no LSH, but rather high levels of LSA/iso-LSA (83%) and around 17% ergometrine, which will transform to the 1-acetaldehyde versions of themselves as well, but ergometrine is not as strong as LSH. LSH is similar to LAE-32 active at 1.5mg in human experiments in TIHKAL, shown to be very "LSD like". Ergometrine in HBWR results in some cramping & vasoconstriction and side effects, ergometrine levels are extremely low in MG seeds in comparison.

All based on the studies above and mint which we know was added to the sacred entheogenic potion the priest administered. Read more about mint addition in the books "Road to Eleusis" by Hofmann, Wasson & prof Ruck and "Sacred mushrooms of the goddess, secrets of Eleusis" by prof Ruck...who describe the rites held at Eleusis for initiates in ancient Greece for over 2,000 years believed to be propelled by the effects of a powerful psychoactive potion into revelatory mind states with profound spiritual and intellectual ramifications. Plato, Socrates and a host of other philosophers drank the sacred entheogenic brew kept secret by the priest at Eleusis. Men, women and even slaves were allowed initiation.


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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26795177 - 06/30/20 08:22 PM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA

p.s. Have had 2 years of University Chemistry & many years of chem studies beyond that.

My other chemist friend just said the following, he backs up my argument after reading the studies....

downwardsfromzero:
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"2) acetaldehyde adducted to bottom indole NH group on LSH & LSA, acetaldehyde = C2 H4 O, molar mass = 44 g/mol"

The acetaldehyde adduct would be C2H5O, as CH3COH attached at the indolic nitrogen - another 1-hydroxyethyl group, just like in LSH. From what you describe, this seems like an argument for soaking one's N¹-unsubstituted lysergamides in cold peppermint sherry for a while before consumption. Would this also include tryptamines such as DMT-containing potions for oral consumption, one might wonder? And what about psiloc(yb)in?

As I've mentioned, my most successful plant-derived lysergamide experience - in dreams, of course - albeit with HBWR, coincided with intake of a fairly large quantity of brandy which, in all likelihood, produced a significant level of acetaldehyde within my body, exposing the plant lysergamides to the correct conditions (as reported in the Austin & Fraenkel-Conrat PNAS paper) within my stomach for the putative 1-(1-hydroxyethyl) or, rather, it seems, the 1-(1-ethoxyethyl) derivative to be formed. In this case, the effects were clearly stimulating, unlike the sedative effects usually reported for HBWR. I see that brandy weighs in fairly well on the acetaldehyde content scale as well, btw (post #17)

Looking at the PNAS paper, and the molecular structure "indole after p8441", what we appear to get is a 1-(1-ethoxyethyl)indole, with an ethyl group on the oxygen atom. This would be more lipophilic than the 1-(1-hydroxyethyl) derivative, as would, incidentally, the cinnamaldehyde adduct proposed by 69ron. It is only with the combination of both ethanol and acetaldehyde that we get a stable product. It would seem likely that under mildly acidic conditions ethanol and cinnamaldehyde (or, we might also surmise, any other sufficiently stable, sterically unhindered aldehyde) would also form a stable adduct. The systematic naming starts to get a bit horrible, but here goes: 1-(3-phenyl-1-ethyoxyprop-2-en-1-yl)indole derivatives. Now have a cookie.

And isovaleraldehyde would lead to the production of a 1-(1-ethoxy-3-methyl-1-butyl)indole derivative under this scheme. That'll have to do for now as I need to sleep. [EDIT: also of interest, we see the following: "Reaction mixtures were also prepared using 1-, 3-, and 4-carbon-chain aldehydes and alcohols. After 24 hr of reaction at ambient temperature, these alternative mixtures were analyzed on the same HPLC system. Reaction products (data not shown) were detected in all cases, except when the aldehyde was formaldehyde, and product retention time increased along with the length of the reagents' carbon chains. The yields decreased with increasing alcohol and aldehyde chain length (methanol/acetaldehyde - butanol/butyraldehyde)."]




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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26797502 - 07/01/20 07:42 PM (8 days, 9 hours ago)

Interesting that downwardsfromzero also found it stimulating in dreams and not sedating.

This on-line report by "u" echoes my own opinion of my own 2 dream experiences over a decade ago with ALD-52 as well "HIGHLY underestimated ALD 52". This is shown in order to relay a better understanding of similar qualities inherent to the hypothetical 1-acetaldehyde LSH. Again, LSH is found in high amounts in morning glory seeds (3x higher in seeds direct from grower vs retail) along with penniclavine (both CNS stimulants), but LSH is not found in HBWR, only LSA/iso-lsa (83%) and ergometrine (17%). LSA appears to be a breakdown product of LSH in the Shamanic mg seeds.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4yn8ou/highly_underestimated_ald52/
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Highly visual & aesthetic, relaxed yet stimulating...actually had the chance in dreams to try ALD-52 around 10 years ago twice, and the blotter had diagrams of the ALD-52 molecule on the back of the blotter, and both times found the 200ug trips experienced in dreams to be PROFOUNDLY VISUAL, remember looking at a living woman's face and seeing it covered & overlayed with colored hieroglyphic symbols. The trip was very strong visually and yet found it relaxed and potently humorous, laughed for at least an hour watching episodes of "Funny or die" at the time.

Also remember seeing a group of Indian Shaman's sitting in a circle floating in mid-air when I walked into the bedroom, potent visuals...miss ALD-52, but the recipe above will transform the morning glory seed's LSH and LSA into similar molecules at least at the bottom indole NH group, which helps significantly in achieving a visually strong trip, sounds are amplified and music heavenly, strong audio heightening qualities, euphoric & stimulating yet relaxed journeys.

Anything longer than around the length of an acetaldehyde molecule (C2 H4 O) attached at the NH indole of the ergoline LSD molecule (especially 1-p-LSD, propionyl = C3 H5 O) may not fit properly into the very specific receptor binding site (as ALD-52 fits, acetyl = C2 H3 O), so cinnamaledehyde (C9 H8 O) and similar very long structures may not have a chance of docking into the receptor site properly.

David E. Nichols reportedly commented on the potential 1P-LSD serotonin receptor binding dynamics:
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I am sure that the 1-propionyl would also hydrolyze off of an indole, but I don't know whether in vivo conditions would work. In a chemistry lab, you can get off an N-benzoyl, so an N-propionyl will probably come off too. But in the body? I don't know the answer to that. The compound would not be active as the N-propionyl however. The way that LSD docks into the 5-HT2A receptor, the indole NH hydrogen bonds to serine 5.46. With the propionyl, it won't fit into the receptor.



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From sedation to --> stimulation & increased visuals, hypothesis:

Harmaline (C13 H14 N2 O) is an example of a betacarboline (class of indole alkaloid compounds) that when it gains 2 hydrogen molecules on it's indole --> transforms into tetrahydroharmine (C13 H16 N2 O), transforming from "sedating dreamy visual harmaline" to "stimulating & visually bright & colorful tetrahydroharmine". Harmaline does a complete 180 degree transformation with the addition of 2 hydrogen molecules on it's indole --> turning from tranquilizing to energizing.

According to a 2012 paper "Various alkaloid profiles in decoctions of Banisteriopsis caapi" by Dr. JC Callaway found in Ref (1) at bottom in wikipedia under the entry for "tetrahydroharmine" large amounts of the energizing & euphoric THH were found in the Ayahuasca brews prepared by the Vegetal groups UDV and Santo Daime.

Dr. Shulgin has said in the "Entheogen Review Journal" that vitamin C acts as a "hydrogen doner"Shocked and when the Santo Daime brew their Ayahuasca with vitamin C for long periods of time, the vitamin C contributes two hydrogens to the harmaline in the brew, converting all the leftover harmaline to tetrahydroharmine. How is that for Alchemy?

In fact, in the above paper, no harmaline was found leftover in the brews prepared by the Santo Daime, their Alchemy brewing process had converted all the leftover harmaline to THH. Page 2 of above paper shows zero mg of harmaline was left in each & every one of the brews. In another study mentioned in the same paper, the "likeness" of the brews transformed into ones with high levels of THH were rated by the members at an all time high, and preferred over brews with harmaline. There was so much THH in their brews according to page 4 of the study, that it was found in a 1:1 ratio with harmine.

This may translate over to LSA as well ie "the sedating qualities" Confused of LSA into "stimulating qualities" Smile like 1-acetaldehyde LSA and an "even more stimulating & visual" version of LSH --> into 1-acetaldehyde LSH.

LSA (C16 H17 N3 O) + acetaldehyde (C2 H4 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetaldehyde LSA
LSH (C18 H21 N3 O) + acetaldehyde (C2 H4 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetaldehyde LSH
LSD (C20 H25 N3 O) + acetal (C2 H3 O) at bottom indole NH group = 1-acetal LSD (C22 H27 N3 O2) or ALD-52

LSA could be transforming from a "sedating" version of itself into a "stimulating" version of itself, and LSH becoming even more stimulating/visual as they both gain double the anti-serotonin properties (just as ALD-52 is 2.1 times the anti-serotonin strength of LSD), just as we know that tetrahydroharmine in caapi is a strong SRI (serotonin reuptake inhibitor, strongly anti-serotonin) and thus stimulating like coffee vs sleepy harmaline.

Does THH also become a more visual form of harmaline? many believe so, but in a different way. Psychonaut wiki reports that at doses of 200mg, it has been reported to cause dream-like euphoria, pleasurable tingling sensations/bodily felt high vibrational frequency and an extensive array of psychedelic effects. The literature from Dr. Naranjo (1967) reports visionary qualities at 300mg, defining them as "oneirophrenic" or fantasy & dream-inducing visions. Quote "Other recurrent visual phenomena were a rapid lateral vibration in the field of vision and double or multiple contours in objects, especially when these were in motion or when the subject's eyes turned away from them. Some described lightning-like flashes. With closed eyes, imagery was abundant and most often vivid and bright colored, with a predominance of red-green or blue-orange contrasts. Long dream-like sequences were common with certain themes."

Professor Benny Shanon who took Ayahuasca over 125 times said the visions are completely un-like sleeping dreams and involve instead visions of ancient civilizations, Royalty & people of great Spiritual prominence, mythical & heavenly scenes, animals (especially birds), artwork, grand architecture and palaces, gardens like those seen at Versailles in France, floral scenes, ET's and spaceships, etc.

Researchers believe it is most likely a combination of the small amounts of harmaline (10 to 40mg) in Caapi along with the modest amounts of THH in Caapi (2nd highest ingredient) that are responsible for the Ayahuasca visions, formed even without addition of admixture leaf, which is said by the Shaman's to add brightness and color to the visions formed by the Caapi, which is considered "Ayahuasca" by the Shamans whether without or with the admixture leaf added.

Will LSA & LSH become more visual forms of themselves as the 1-acetadehyde versions? definitely believe so! based on dream experiences comparing recipe enhanced versions vs. non transformed extracts from the past.

How else are we to explain the highly visual and stimulating properties of these 1-acetaldehyde versions vs the normal sedating qualilties of LSA? Remember how Kash said he always got visuals & stimulation with the 15 minute peppermint soaked LSA vs the non-peppermint soaked LSA which was sedating, uncomfortable & no visuals? Also see trip reports from myself, 69ron & Kash at beginning of thread & downwardsfromzero also recognized the stimulating properties of the new acetaldehyde adducted extract vs normal extract which he writes about in a dream above. Kash is known for his extensive LSA extraction dreams stickied at top. Krystle Cole writes for several pages about her powerful "ergot wine" experiences in the book "Lysergic".

The 1992 adducts paper specifically adducts acetaldehyde to indole at the NH group in one experiment using acetaldehyde in ph=4 water solution found to happen over time "with or without the addition of ethanol" (they tried it both ways)...giving excellent yield of new product formed, 60% in 1 hour, and even greater yield in less time when they reduced the amount of acetaldehyde used to only 0.1% acetaldehyde solution! Just like the process I dreamed decades ago several times, to replicate the study as best as possible, letting solution sit in fridge for 3 hours with swirling once per hour.

Study calls for ph=4 water solution, which is what I dreamed...as that is the ph necessary for rapid new product creation yield according to the researchers, yield was slower at higher ph...not to mention acidic conditions are necessary to keep the natural LSH extracted from the seeds from re-arranging (decomposing) to LSA as will happen in neutral water, very fast in alkaline water, or when heated.

What was dreamed decades ago was Bigelow fresh mint/peppermint combo leaf sealed and packaged in foil along with 5 drops of peppermint extract. You can find it at your local grocery store in the herbal tea isle.

Fresh MG seeds you will need to grow or locate direct from a reputable grower, as the seeds sitting on racks in retail were found by the study to contain 3x less LSH vs direct from grower. If you find or grow good seeds, vacuum pack and freeze the extras, so they will retain their potency indefinately.

The study said "LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism." (1.71 LSH from producer seeds vs 0.54 LSH from retail rack seeds).

The sources were clear that the kykeon's other ingredient, mint (menthe pulegium) was fresh mint. Mint appears to have played a symbolic role in Eleusinian myth; being Hades' concubine, Mint was "dismembered by the jealous wife Persephone." See Wasson, "The Road to Eleusis", 111. The end.

Shown below, Dr. Shulgin in "Entheogen Review" describes how harmaline gains 2 hydrogen atoms from Vitamin C doner Shocked (same way Santo Daime brew their Ayahuasca for long periods) transforming all the harmaline in their brews into the stimulating, euphoric & colorfully visual anti-serotonin alkaloid tetrahydroharmine, via an Alchemy process. In a similar way LSH & LSA in the thread's recipe brew are transforming to their stimulating doubly anti-serotonin cousins 1-acetaldehyde LSH & 1-acetaldehyde LSA.

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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26801370 - 07/03/20 02:14 PM (6 days, 15 hours ago)

The likely range in any mg species may fall between .005% and .079% total indole alkaloids in different batches of seeds. Freshly harvested seeds are best.

From the 2016 Polish morning glory study:
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We found 1.71 LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) from seeds bought from growers on-line vs 0.54 LSH (compound to IS ratio) from retail rack seeds found in the stores. 3x higher levels of LSH in seeds direct from growers. LSH is a labile compound, and therefore the variances in its concentration may be due to different age and storage conditions of the seeds rather than difference in plant metabolism.



Based on my dream experiences with FRESHLY harvested seeds right off the vine in the fall, the LSH compound to IS ratio is likely as high as 3.00, even higher then seeds bought from growers on-line, likely due to being picked super fresh & ever so slightly un-ripe (still black & hard though), having been fed miracle grow once a month. The seeds picked fresh are extremely potent based on my several dreams, and it is best to vacuum pack and freeze all the extra seeds picked right away so they will keep their super high potency indefinately.

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The unripened seed pods of the Morning Glory reveal a white, much larger, soft seed with some green in the middle of the kernel. I have found that this state of the seeds is more than twice as potent as the black dried seeds. 400 dried is similar to a little less than one hit LSD. 400 fresh is like about 2 or three hits.



My current favorite way to grow the Heavenly Blue morning glory (attached pics) is to plant 8 plants in a 17" wide x 15" huge tall beautiful Belize Chata Marsal Clay pot (shown in pic) with a piece of "rolled up welded-wire fence" inside the pot that will unwind automatically and fit the interior of the pot perfectly. I first fill the clay pot up with 3/4 miracle grow potting soil and 1/4 cow manure compost, both found at your local garden store. I mix it all together and add a handful of perlite to help water flow and aeration of oxygen in the soil.

The brand of wire fence is "Red-brand welded wire-fence" and it comes in rolls of 5 foot tall by like 100 foot wide, comes in a roll for only fifty bucks, you just use tin snips to cut off a piece, and then stick it inside your pot. The morning glories will climb the fence and produce thousands of seeds within the abundant number of seed pods formed at the end of the growing season in the fall. You can find the rolls of fence in the garden section at your local big box garden store. They have all different sizes.

The galvanized welded wire fence is so lightweight, you can even stack & wire tie another 5 foot section on top the first 5 foot section, for a total of 10 feet tall in all!

I then put the clay pot on the side of the patio (on top some 1 foot x 1 foot bricks to level it) so that it gets morning sun only, so the plants won't burn. I guarantee this method is cheap, easy, mobile, and allows many plants to grow in one single container with high quality soil, feed it once a month only with 1 tablespoon of miracle grow powder added to 1 gallon watering can with spout, this will keep the foliage down, but the flowers very large, and the lysergic acid amide levels very high. Super potent seeds produced this way at end of fall, which can be vacuum packed and frozen to keep their super high LSH/penniclavine potency indefinately. The teamwork between the high levels of LSH and penniclavine in the seeds is imho what produces the extraordinarily potent entheogenic & very euphoric dreams.

Note: Penniclavine (found in high amounts in the seeds, found to be CNS stimulating, Yui & Takeo) is a metabolite of agroclavine, and is active at the following brain receptor sites: Dopamine D1A, Dopamine D1B, 5-ht2a, Adrenal A2A, Adrenal A2B & Adrenal A2D, in comparison LSD (as far as adrenal sites are concerned) only has activity at A2A, but zero activity at A2B, A2C, and A2D.



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Re: Original Morning Glory LSH conversion, very LSD like [Re: tregar]
    #26804776 - 07/05/20 09:49 AM (4 days, 19 hours ago)

Added a 3 foot section round fence on top the 5 foot section fence (just used plastic tie wraps to secure both together) so that it is 8 foot tall in all, so morning glories can climb even taller. I like the 8 foot total tall section over 10 foot tall the best (too high). Fence sits inside a beautiful 17" wide x 15" tall Belize Chata Marsal Clay pot, the rolled up fence fits perfectly and does not budge, very secure in place.

The planter doesn't actually stand exposed like this, just moved it so could take a decent picture. The planter's fence normally rests 2" in front of the back of a tall patio wall structure, where it normally receives 6 hours of morning sun and 1 hour of afternoon sun, no blazing afternoon sun, so the plants won't burn. Also shielded from wind this way. I cut the fence down to 7 foot tall in total, looks great.

Used a soft sewing fabric loose measuring tape to confirm that the round "rolled up fence" gives me the equivalent growing area equal to four feet wide of normal fence, but even better, as it's 7 foot tall in all...this will produce thousands of high potency seeds which can be picked end of fall season, vacuum packed & frozen right away to preserve high potency indefinitely. 400 freshly picked seeds are the equivalent of around 2 hits of acid in dreams, slightly un-ripe seeds the equivalent of around 3 hits in dreams, whereas 400 normal older black dried seeds are around equivalent of 1 hit of acid in dreams. However, the penniclavine levels in the seeds are extremely high, which adds greatly imho to the strong euphoria factor when combined with the high levels of natural LSH, plant alkaloid teamwork.

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    #26809582 - 07/07/20 08:01 PM (2 days, 9 hours ago)
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This is the dream summary...

I know nobody wants to hear this, but the 2014 Forensics study by Paulke (you can download the complete 9 page paper from this thread saids that HBWR contains NO LSH, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine. Whereas fresh morning glory contains very high amounts of LSH and penniclavine according to 2016 Polish mg study. LSH was discovered by Hofmann in the seeds around 1967, he put color pics of it in his book "LSD, my problem child" and apparently even told Owsley it was very "LSD like".

TIHKAL saids LAE-32 (which is very similar to LSH) is active at 1.5mg and was said by human experimenters to be "LSD like" at 1.5mg and up and stimulating. Pennicalvine is active at most dopamine receptors, 5ht2a, and 3 adrenal receptors, and is very stimulating and euphoric, as it is a dopamine & adrenal agonist. Again LSH and penniclavine are not in HBWR. Ergometrine in HBWR does have some psychedelic effects, but it is not as strong as LSH, also ergometrine in HBWR causes some side effects like cramping and vasoconstriction, ergometrine is found in morning glory seeds only in very small amounts, see the study with pics here, gives all the levels within the seeds with spectrograms and tables.

It is likely the acetaldehyde in one shot of sherry (sherry contains 10mg acetaldehyde in 1 shot or 30ml) is adducting onto the LSA alkaloids in the seeds which is theoretically causing it to be stimulating and more visual. See trip reports from myself, 69ron & Kash. Unfortunately, 69ron and Kash only dreamed with HBWR seeds.

But acetaldehyde when it adducts onto LSH (not found in HBWR), turns into a more powerful version of LSH which is even more visual and even more stimulating imho, Peppermint extract can do the same thing as it contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops....or same in 1 tablespoon of Bigelow's mint/peppermint fresh from foil pack tea works just as well, at your grocery store in tea herbal isle.

Acetaldehyde will also adduct onto penniclavine forming 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine.

Ethanol is not necessary for the adducts to form, it can form with our without ethanol according to the 1992 adducts study. See the 1992 adducts study here, but it does need to sit for around 3 hours if possible in the fridge (and only extract with acidified water, ph=4 is what the study used, which is what author used in dreams), and swirled every so often (once an hour). Recipe given in thread, as it works just like the study, very potent dreams.

LSH only survives if you extract the morning glory seed mush with acidic water, as it decomposes to LSA in neutral water, very fast in alkaline water, or water that is heated. Examples given in thread of several people who used lemon juice acidified water (hermes, nogal, etc.) in thread who had very powerful trips and visions as they extracted the LSH from the mg seeds without it decomposing, Author did the same thing using ph=4 DL tartaric acid water which was cold.

Author has been trying to get people to stop "eating the seeds already" cause if they would just use acidic water they would get all the same great effects as eating the seeds, but without the nausea.

Several teens went to emergency room a year ago after eating the seeds, it is bad on the stomach. The shamans & indigenous people would extract QUICKLY with water and drink it right away (Wasson et al). The water in the amazon is slightly acidic as well.

HBWR also has no history of Shamanic use, while morning glory has centuries of documented Shamanic use, personally author only dreams entheogens which have a long history of Shamanic use.

Ever notice how everyone on the net has used wine and or mint with ONLY HBWR and never with Shamanic used morning glory seeds which contain not only LSH in high amounts, but also the euphoric and entheogenic penniclavine in extremely high amounts (see graph below)? Author has yet to find anyone use study recipe with morning glory seeds besides thread's author.

Top: LSH levels are almost as high as LSA levels in morning glory seeds! and that spectrogram was taken with retail store seeds. 3x higher LSH found in seeds direct from growers. 400 black dried seeds equal to less than 1 hit of acid in dreams, 400 fresh off the vine seeds equal to around 2 hits of acid in dreams, but 400 slightly un-ripe seeds equal to around 3 hits of acid in dreams, the LSH to LSA ratio levels are higher the fresher. Vacuum pack & freeze the seeds to keep their potency indefinitely.

Bottom: What happens to LSH under strong ionic conditions or in neutral, alkaline or warm/hot water (it decomposes to LSA) unless it is extracted from seed mush into acidic water.

Very bottom: Artist Jillian Evelyn (Juxtapoz) “The girls I was drawing started kind of contorting as a reflection of how I felt about my job and about the way I had been living my life,” she explains. “It’s just about bending to society’s expectations.”

https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/magazine/features/jillian-evelyn-beyond-breaking-the-mold/



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4830885/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC49935/





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    #26809897 - 07/07/20 10:48 PM (2 days, 6 hours ago)

Fresh peppermint leaves and a cold brew tea of HBWR seeds with the hulls temoved. Have fun. LSH is a hell of a drug


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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26810189 - 07/08/20 04:20 AM (2 days, 1 hour ago)

Some have mistakenly believed for years unfortunately that the LSA was turning into LSH outside the seeds, but that is just not possible without a catalyst and a handful of chemical steps that can only be done in a professional lab with setups to protect from oxygen, light, starting from lysergic acid, and not LSA no less. Only the plant (which is a chemical factory on it's own) can do that. LSH is found naturally in the morning glory seeds. The original thread from Lycaeum was misconstrued.

Double 17" wide x 15" tall Belize Chata Marsal Clay pot growers for Heavenly Blue morning glory, each securely holding (will not budge) a 4 foot round x 7 foot tall welded round fence, equivalent growing space of a normal 4 foot wide x 7 foot tall fence.

Soil = 3/4 miracle grow potting soil + 1/4 cow manure compost + 2 cups of perlite for oxygen aeration + water flow. Each pot will house 8 plants, seeds have been planted. End of fall will produce thousands of fresh seeds which can be vacuum packed & frozen right away to keep high potency indefinitely. But it's the flowers for their visual asthetics in the morning that is heavenly.



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Re: Alchemy conversion of LSH & LSA in morning glory to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & LSA [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26810391 - 07/08/20 07:58 AM (1 day, 21 hours ago)

So what you are saying is that fresh peppermint tea will not change the LSA to LSH? The effects of the tea are very distict when compared to esting the seeds raw or consuming a CWE.

Definitely a more visual experience, LSA tends to have the most powerful body high ive experienced from any psychedelic substance, LSH on the other hand is more comparable to a classic psychedelic experience of LSD.  The leaves need to be fresh from the plant and the HBWR seeds need to be prepared properly to achieve this.

If you prepare HBWR correctly there is no nausea to be felt. Remove the hulls with your fingernails.


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