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Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub
    #26724191 - 06/06/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hello, noob here. First time doing this and we are
Following the monotub instructions by Portland Psych group. We just put two fully spawned rye berry grain quart jars and lasagna them into a 56 qt tub and put a garbage bag over it to wait until it fully colonizes the substrate. We used the pillow case method of pasteurization of verm and coco plus a little bit of black kow. I should have just done the Verm and coco but I know the species I’m growing likes poop. It was the only poop I can find. We hung the pillow case for probably 16 hours but it seem very moist. It didn’t drip when not squeezed but it did produce water when squeezed hard.

My question is, it’s been at 74 degrees for 2 days but 99% humidity. Is that too high?? There is condensation on the tub.

Also, our quarts were perfectly colonized no contams but I had to wait for coco to come in the mail and when we birthed them I did see one small spot from deep inside the jar with very light greenish tinge. I carefully scooped that small bit out and chucked it and changed gloves. I decided to not use heat because of that. I want the mycelium to be stronger and I’m afraid if I bump heat to 80 that could give contam the footing to take over.

Here is the jar before we put it to bulk substrate.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26724195 - 06/06/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Patiences my friend.
Also the tub doesn’t need to be covered with a bag. Mushrooms benefit from light.
2 days is no time to start stressing.
Leave it alone for at least 7-10 days then start with your pinning triggers.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26724341 - 06/06/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you have luck your grow will be fine but it is better to not mix contaminated jars with clean ones because all could be ruined if a bad contam has left behind spores or growth you could not see. Manure is also not required for most species and it gives beginning growers more chance of failure.

Waiting and watching for contams is the best advice now. 2 days is a very short time.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26724382 - 06/06/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for your answer!!!


Yeah, I should have stuck with just the 1:1. Hopefully we have luck!! And I had no clue that Black Kow was such crap (no pun intended) 😂

My jars looked contam free and they looked healthy and all white. First jar went in no problems layered it with tha substrate but  It was only when I started shaking the second jar out into the substrate that one small chick looked slightly greenish in tinge.
I scooped it out, and tossed my gloves. I figured that at that point that’s all I could do. Didn’t see anymore but my hope is that the myc are strong and healthy and Will win the fight.

My question is should I be concerned about 99% humidity?


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26724389 - 06/06/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Patiences my friend.
Also the tub doesn’t need to be covered with a bag. Mushrooms benefit from light.
2 days is no time to start stressing.
Leave it alone for at least 7-10 days then start with your pinning triggers.






Thank you! I thought while doing a second spawning(This time to substrate), you also need darkness just like when spawning grain?

And my biggest question is, is it ok at 99% humidity and condensation? I suppose you saying to not freak out likely means that’s ok. Lol😂 As a noob, patience is a virtue!


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26724396 - 06/06/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The humidity is fine. It is because you have closed off most fae. When the colonization gets closer to 70-100% that’s when you incorporate more air exchange. Big pinning trigger. Read this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053

Also... the condensation is showing that their is a difference between the tub temp and the room temp(because mycelium is generating heat) There is nothing wrong, unless it starts dripping and dropping heavily.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26736712 - 06/11/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The humidity is fine. It is because you have closed off most fae. When the colonization gets closer to 70-100% that’s when you incorporate more air exchange. Big pinning trigger. Read this.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053

Also... the condensation is showing that their is a difference between the tub temp and the room temp(because mycelium is generating heat) There is nothing wrong, unless it starts dripping and dropping heavily.





Here’s how the substrate is looking on day 7. Not quite fully consolidated but looks healthy! I see shimmery specks. Not sure if that’s moisture or something else but I know that’s a good sign, right?



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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26737091 - 06/11/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The moisture on the surface is normal. Did you read the link?


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26737237 - 06/11/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Don't take pictures of your plastic tub when you want questions asked about your substrate.

Take a good picture will help a lot



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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26737298 - 06/11/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

On your next tub definitely mix the spawn in evenly with the bulk sub. Layering makes things take a lot longer and has no benefit that i've ever seen.

Cubensis grow naturally on poop but they also only put out a mushroom or two and it happens randomly. We're trying to get wall to wall coverage on command. The grain provides the nutrients (plenty) and the bulk sub provides the water and easily colonizable (airy) base and surface area needed to grow a bunch of mushrooms.

Coir works great for this. Hpoo works great too, especially with some vermiculite, but will contaminate more easily.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Strainsfordaze]
    #26737976 - 06/11/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The moisture on the surface is normal. Did you read the link?





Yes, I did read it. The droplets are good. I guess I was just hoping to hear that it all looks good, and if I should wait until it’s fully colonized. I hear and read different things. Some say wait until it pins, some say only 70% colonization, and some say 100%.

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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26740584 - 06/12/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't take pictures of your plastic tub when you want questions asked about your substrate.

Take a good picture will help a lot






I thought I’m not supposed to open it due to contamination risk unless I need to add moisture.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26740587 - 06/12/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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On your next tub definitely mix the spawn in evenly with the bulk sub. Layering makes things take a lot longer and has no benefit that i've ever seen.

Cubensis grow naturally on poop but they also only put out a mushroom or two and it happens randomly. We're trying to get wall to wall coverage on command. The grain provides the nutrients (plenty) and the bulk sub provides the water and easily colonizable (airy) base and surface area needed to grow a bunch of mushrooms.

Coir works great for this. Hpoo works great too, especially with some vermiculite, but will contaminate more easily.




How can you tell I layered it? I’ve seen people say it can be done either way. I should’ve done just verm and coir. So are you saying I’m not gonna get a good flush?


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26740835 - 06/12/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Not trying to Hi-jack your thread here, but this is the first I've seen what I'm looking for. So am I to understand that is pure Coco/Verm Substrate? No Pasteurization needed? I know, I'm total newb. :confused:


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26740902 - 06/13/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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B_happy28 said:How can you tell I layered it? I’ve seen people say it can be done either way.




Sure, it can be done either way, but think about what you're trying to achieve.

Each grain is gonna start growing out mycelium in an approximate sphere until all the substrate is colonized.  The best case scenario is where the grains are in a perfectly even distribution, because each grain's myc will meet its neighbours' at approximately the same time. The maximal distance any grain has to grow myc out before the sub is fully colonized is minimized, that way, so it takes the least time.

Think about bunching all your spawn up in one corner - the distance the myc has to grow is very large (all the way to the other end of the tub). That's the worst case.  Layering spawn is somewhere between these two cases - the distance the myc has to grow before full colonization is half the distance between your furthest-apart neighboring layers of spawn.  Unless the act of mixing evenly retards growth significantly (and it doesn't), layering is always going to be heavily suboptimal for colonization times.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26740943 - 06/13/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm thinking some mold might take over your substrate before too long here


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26741541 - 06/13/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hola

You can take the lid off during colonization without worry. I had a lil heater/fan in the room (cold basement in winter) so it would dry my tubs out, i'd mist twice a day during colonization...from like day 2 or 3. Mostly you shouldnt have to open it much though with normal conditions and properly made sub but it doesnt hurt at all. When you mixed in the spawn with the bulk you also tumbled thousand of mold spores and bacteria in the mix.

Your grains are what are most susceptible to allowing mold a place to germinate, but if those grains are fully colonized by mycelium (even after the shake when it looks like they're not, the inside is still filled with cube myc) if they're colonized they can protect themselves from bad stuff.

Coir offers no place for spores to germinate, even if you bucket TEK the coir or properly pasteurize, or just hydrate it with cold water. Manure however needs to be properly pasteurized or it seems to allow trich to germinate and intertwine with your cube myc. pretty readily.

I know you layered it because you said so :smile: There are some high karate growers that believe in layering but the times i've tried it those tubs took longer to colonize by several days to a week.

I think if you have weak mycelium the layering may help it stay stronger without such a shock and a need to grow back out so far before reconnecting with other strains to make a mass. Thats just a thought though.

SO ...will you take a clear picture of that thing so's we can all look and judge you :anticipation:

Sporeflake, B's tub is not just coir/verm. But yes with that mix you can do whatever you like to hydrate the sub. Coir thats been heat treated in some way works best though.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26742161 - 06/13/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hola

You can take the lid off during colonization without worry. I had a lil heater/fan in the room (cold basement in winter) so it would dry my tubs out, i'd mist twice a day during colonization...from like day 2 or 3. Mostly you shouldnt have to open it much though with normal conditions and properly made sub but it doesnt hurt at all. When you mixed in the spawn with the bulk you also tumbled thousand of mold spores and bacteria in the mix.

Your grains are what are most susceptible to allowing mold a place to germinate, but if those grains are fully colonized by mycelium (even after the shake when it looks like they're not, the inside is still filled with cube myc) if they're colonized they can protect themselves from bad stuff.

Coir offers no place for spores to germinate, even if you bucket TEK the coir or properly pasteurize, or just hydrate it with cold water. Manure however needs to be properly pasteurized or it seems to allow trich to germinate and intertwine with your cube myc. pretty readily.

I know you layered it because you said so :smile: There are some high karate growers that believe in layering but the times i've tried it those tubs took longer to colonize by several days to a week.

I think if you have weak mycelium the layering may help it stay stronger without such a shock and a need to grow back out so far before reconnecting with other strains to make a mass. Thats just a thought though.

SO ...will you take a clear picture of that thing so's we can all look and judge you :anticipation:

Sporeflake, B's tub is not just coir/verm. But yes with that mix you can do whatever you like to hydrate the sub. Coir thats been heat treated in some way works best though.




Oh, duh! Forgot I wrote that! I think my grain was well colonized so maybe that will help. I did the bucket pasteurization but only for a couple hours and then hung it to get it to field capacity. So with the poop when would Trich appear?? Hope this is a good picture!



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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26742164 - 06/13/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm thinking some mold might take over your substrate before too long here





What makes you think that? Based on the picture or the conditions I set up?


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    #26744352 - 06/14/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Here’s another pic. My hygrometer fogged completely up and now I can’t tell the humidity. Can I stick a new one in there? Can I lay it on the mycelium or should I tape to the side?

What do you think? Is it ready to fruit? If not, should I add my pepper seedling heat map next to it? The temp has stayed around 73-74 for the 10 days it’s been colonizing.



When I’m ready to fruit I have polyfill to swap out for the micro pore tape. And then planned to fan 2x daily and mist the sides if humidity is needed.

Thanks for any help!


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: B_happy28]
    #26744504 - 06/14/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm thinking some mold might take over your substrate before too long here





What makes you think that? Based on the picture or the conditions I set up?




It was because you said you removed a green spot from the spawn. And because i actually see a small, faint green spot in the picture of the spawn jar. It could just be the way the picture is coming through for me, or it could be an actual green spot- maybe the one you removed. A green spot in spawn is usually mold, IME. And people usually don't have good luck with just scooping out the green part and continuing on.

But yeah, fruit away. A lot of people these days even just introduce air exchange immediately upon spawning, with great results. That's how I do it.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26744620 - 06/14/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Here’s another pic. My hygrometer fogged completely up and now I can’t tell the humidity. Can I stick a new one in there? Can I lay it on the mycelium or should I tape to the side?

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I'm thinking some mold might take over your substrate before too long here





What makes you think that? Based on the picture or the conditions I set up?




It was because you said you removed a green spot from the spawn. And because i actually see a small, faint green spot in the picture of the spawn jar. It could just be the way the picture is coming through for me, or it could be an actual green spot- maybe the one you removed. A green spot in spawn is usually mold, IME. And people usually don't have good luck with just scooping out the green part and continuing on.

But yeah, fruit away. A lot of people these days even just introduce air exchange immediately upon spawning, with great results. That's how I do it.




Thanks! I actually did some research and think it was a bruising spot. Way more bluish Grey in color than green. But you may be right. We will see! Where is the spot of green on the jar? It helps to know what to look for! Would that mold start during fruiting? There’s lots of water droplets forming so I may start to fruit like you said!


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26744694 - 06/14/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I would definitely put the polyfil in now. It looks a little off like maybe bacterial and wanting air but it should be alright if there isn't a mold hiding in there. Sketchy spawn is nerve wracking around this time lol. It's when most bad stuff shows itself if it's there and you had that piece in the grain. I'll send good vibes :mushroom2:

Those temperatures are perfect, especially for fruiting because you get more solid stems than when it's real warm. And i wouldn't worry too much about humidity, the tubs really regulate themselves well but i do mist the surface directly if it's looking dry.

Have you read up about agar? Thats the best way to make sure you're getting clean spawn and you can do other cool stuff like cloning.


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Re: Noob 99% humidity in bulk substrate monotub [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26744921 - 06/14/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I would definitely put the polyfil in now. It looks a little off like maybe bacterial and wanting air but it should be alright if there isn't a mold hiding in there. Sketchy spawn is nerve wracking around this time lol. It's when most bad stuff shows itself if it's there and you had that piece in the grain. I'll send good vibes :mushroom2:

Those temperatures are perfect, especially for fruiting because you get more solid stems than when it's real warm. And i wouldn't worry too much about humidity, the tubs really regulate themselves well but i do mist the surface directly if it's looking dry.

Have you read up about agar? Thats the best way to make sure you're getting clean spawn and you can do other cool stuff like cloning.




Ok, I put the poly fill in and took it out of the closet and put it near a window but not in direct light.
Should I start to fan it twice a day? Or only when it pins? I’m considering using a clip on fan but will that add more risk to contams?
I’m trying to find a good pic to indicate when pins look like when small.
Thanks for the good vibes!

Is that cottony white stuff mycelium or bacteria? You can see it near the top left corner of my pic. I saw same on the top of the grain jar.

I do know about agar and have been watching lots of videos but since I don’t have a good ventilation system, not sure it’s right for me. I still have 2 more syringes on GT. Thinking of starting new jars just in case this one ends up a bust!


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