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 shrooms777
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 Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses   1
#2672332 - 05/13/04 04:36 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have lots of experience with cultivation and was thinking oneday to try smaller than the standard half pint glasses. double shot glasses and candle holders both are 3 ounces, this is less than 1/4 pint. The cakes are about a third the size of those in half pint glasses. I find that it takes 3-4 weeks to fully colonize "mini" cakes while the standard ones take 4-6 weeks. I have tried pint cakes before, took 8-10 weeks to colonize and none ever fruited, I am guessing mycellum begins to die if not birthed by 6 weeks, is this right? what size glasses have you expermented with and how was your success? Oh my yields from mini cakes are strangely good, were talking 40-60 wet grams total, most from the first flush. My larger cakes give nowhere near triple this, I am lucky to get even double what I get from the small cakes even though the large cakes are triple the size! I will try micro cakes from single shot glasses oneday. Perhaps 2 weeks to colonize with 20-40 grams yield? Would be great for the impatious plus you get alotta bang for your buck  Thanks for your time reading and im talking about the tek which uses brf(wwf in my case)
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#2672440 - 05/13/04 06:21 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers 
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. 
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: Citric] 1
#2672448 - 05/13/04 06:28 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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My pints always colonize I had 11/12 and I dont even use an incubator.
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#2672456 - 05/13/04 06:33 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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Magash
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: Citric] 1
#2673234 - 05/13/04 11:18 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Full pints take longer but there is no reason they shouldn't finish.
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#2673526 - 05/13/04 12:34 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: Citric] 1
#2673533 - 05/13/04 12:38 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, they are slow as hell so it's very common that they don't finish. People do use them though, but I wouldn't recamend it myself.
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#2673636 - 05/13/04 01:11 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 **
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers
Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger.
My final Grow!
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: Citric] 1
#2673643 - 05/13/04 01:13 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Domey said:
Yea dont 'recamend' anything!
lmfao @ "recamend"
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: Hallucinogen] 1
#2674093 - 05/13/04 02:59 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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never used anything but pints and it has worked fine for me.
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: Citric] 1
#2674170 - 05/13/04 03:10 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, well yea pints are fine never had a problem in the past , and i know some one going for a gallon but i have my doubts if that will work but we shal see
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: shrooms777] 1
#2674883 - 05/13/04 05:31 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think as long as the conditions are right they'll grow. I'm sure there are some places in the world (giant heaps of shit or what have you) that the myc takes up a lot more space than a pint's worth of substrate. My friend got 5 out of 6 to colonize and fruit his first time. I have the memories of the trips to prove it 
And just to add, i'd love to have a gallon's worth of fruitable myc...
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: cheech101] 1
#2674919 - 05/13/04 05:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes ive used pints many times they are just slower.They absolutly finish though,never had that problem before.
Domey said:Quote:
I dont know, but, full pints usually never fully colonize, which is why we birth them early and cut out the uncolonized
Not a very good idea,sure as a last resort,but its better to just be patient and let them finish.And unless there is a problem with the substrate,or they are not getting enough air,then they will finish.I usually expect my 1/2 pints to finish in 10-14 days,where as I expect my pints to take from 3-5 weeks on average,depending on incubation temps,but they always colonize completely for me.
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shrooms777
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: ButterNut] 1
#2675046 - 05/13/04 06:13 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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how do you get your half pints to finish that fast! They take 4-7 days just to have the spores germinate! are you using something other than brf or wwf(any flour) perhaps whole grains or bird seeds and shaking the jar daily? I hear lots of people use pint and quart jars for those. But for me, I use whole wheat flour and am using double shot glasses with good success. seems like the smaller the glass, the faster itll fully colonize. my pints do colonize but 8 weeks easy is what it takes. then it never fruits and begins to get cobweb mold 2 weeks later  is it true mycellum "expires" in the glass after 6 weeks?
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: shrooms777] 1
#2675090 - 05/13/04 06:22 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I havent began trying to cultivate yet but Im looking forward to it
hopefully I begin soon.I have 10 jars coming tried to source more here - spotted the glasses and thought "jars"
They are -
"whisley tumbler 300ml"
a heavy stable 1/2 inch thick of glass in the base .
very slightly tapered larger as it goes towards the top
they look almost uniform over the height .
they come 12 in each box @ ?4.99+vat
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ButterNut
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: shrooms777] 1
#2675110 - 05/13/04 06:25 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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shrooms777 said:
how do you get your half pints to finish that fast! They take 4-7 days just to have the spores germinate!
Afraid not.Spores can germinate,and mine do in 3 days at ideal temps.
And that is using the PF tek when I do.they colonize very quickly if you dont take shortcuts and do things right.
It sounds like your tempertures arent a constant 86F,which would accounnt for long germination times and slow mycelluim growth,and mycelluim doesnt die after 6 weeks,it may stall because its dried out,but it doesnt just expire.
The norm for me with 1/2 pints is 3 days for germination,and 7-10 days for colonization.This is not a set thing,sometimes its a little longer,sometimes they all colonize fast except for a few that take longer,but thats about the average time they take me.I do nothing special to them.
From the FAQ:
First mantra of the hobby - "Patience." Germination can occur as early as 2 -3 days, but it may take up to a week or more for he first signs of germination to show. It depends on a multitude of factors - some of which are: temperature, substrate, spore concentration, age of the spores, etc.
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Butternut squash are softer than acorn or other types of squash, which makes them easier to cut and prepare.
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shrooms777
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: ButterNut] 1
#2675188 - 05/13/04 06:41 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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where I live, the temps are 80 degrees where I keep the jars. I dont take shortcuts either. My last half pint jar took 5 weeks from innoculation to 98% complete, I just said forget it and birthed it and cut off a thin half centimeter slice off the bottom. Maybe you have a super strain that grows crazy fast? Yours grows easily twice as fast as mine does. I use equador by the way
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ButterNut
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: shrooms777] 1
#2675237 - 05/13/04 06:51 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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no i dont have a super strain,ive grown many strains,and with a little differance between them they are all generally the same.there is a big differance between keeping jars at about 80F at room temperture where they drop at night,and keeping them at a constant 86F in a regulated incubator.My growth times are not uncommon,yours are just super slow.You should stop assuming that yours are the norm,as you did with germination times,and now coloniztion times.I have never had a 1/2 pint jar take 5 weeks,regardless of strain.5 weeks for a 1/2 pint is crazy.Especially if after 5 weeks its still not a 100%.Ive never heard of anyone with pints taking 10 weeks,unless they didnt incubate at the right tempertures,or there was a problem with moisture content.The longer they take,the more they dry out,so if they dont colonize withen 5 weeks they probably would stall.You should invest in an incubator.
This chart shows you how much 6 degrees affects mycelluim growth during incubation.
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Butternut squash are softer than acorn or other types of squash, which makes them easier to cut and prepare.
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shrooms777
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: ButterNut] 1
#2675555 - 05/13/04 08:00 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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at 86 degrees you get 32mm a day, right? my temps would be about 77 at night in the warm florida summer where I live so I should be getting 23mm a day. I get more like 5mm a day. the height of the cake is like 10cm so it takes 20 days to reach the bottom then another 10 days to fully colonize, this means the entire bottom of the jar is covered. If my growth was 2/3 of yours than instead of your 10-14 days it should take me 2-3 weeks but it takes me 4-6 weeks after innoculation. I am trying to think of other factors. maybe they grow much faster with brown rice flour than whole wheat flour? maybe they need medium vermiculite? I use fine vermiculite(thats all I can find) could the smaller spaces fine verm have slow their growth considerabily? I have much to learn and thank you for your time and knowlege
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ButterNut
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Re: Has anyone thought of using double shot glasses [Re: shrooms777] 1
#2675637 - 05/13/04 08:14 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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shrooms777 said:
at 86 degrees you get 32mm a day, right? my temps would be about 77 at night in the warm florida summer where I live so I should be getting 23mm a day. I get more like 5mm a day. the height of the cake is like 10cm so it takes 20 days to reach the bottom then another 10 days to fully colonize, this means the entire bottom of the jar is covered. If my growth was 2/3 of yours than instead of your 10-14 days it should take me 2-3 weeks but it takes me 4-6 weeks after innoculation. I am trying to think of other factors. maybe they grow much faster with brown rice flour than whole wheat flour? maybe they need medium vermiculite? I use fine vermiculite(thats all I can find) could the smaller spaces fine verm have slow their growth considerabily? I have much to learn and thank you for your time and knowlege
Everything you mentioned could be affecting your results.
*Using fine verm is going to make the substrate more compacted together,slowing down colonization
*Ive never used Whole wheat flour,so I cannort comment on that,but I grind my own BRF so that helps.
*Those two things along with the fluctuating temps are going to slow down growth considerably.
On top of that once the jar gets to the 4+ week point the substrate inside is begining to dry out,thus slowing down the process even more.
Im telling you a soimple incubator will do absolute wonders for you.They are not expensive and just speeding up colonization will also decrease the chances of the substrate drying out.It will help alot.I would also try grinding your own brown rice flour if you can.
Even compared to store bought BRF,home ground makes a big differance.
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