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After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter
    #26718889 - 06/04/20 01:06 PM (1 month, 1 day ago)

After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter

https://www.thegrowthop.com/cannabis-news/after-a-man-died-from-inhaling-psychedelic-toad-venom-a-spanish-porn-actor-has-been-charged-with-manslaughter

Huffing psychedelic toad venom poses "a serious threat to public health despite being dressed up as what appeared to be an apparently inoffensive ancestral ritual,” say police

By Kate Robertson June 4, 2020

Three people — including Nacho Vidal, a Spanish porn actor — have been arrested following the death of a photographer who is believed to have died after inhaling psychedelic toad venom as part of a spiritual ceremony, reports The Guardian.

José Luis Abad died in July of 2019 in Enguera, a town in the Valencia region of Spain. After an 11-month investigation, police issued a statement saying two men and a woman had been arrested and charged with manslaughter and public health offences.


“This was a commonly practiced activity carried out for therapeutic or medicinal ends, but which posed a serious threat to public health despite being dressed up as what appeared to be an apparently inoffensive ancestral ritual,” said the statement.

Huffing psychedelic toad venom is such an intense experience that, in most cases, it isn’t safe, and shouldn’t be considered a recreational drug. If people get dosed too high, they can “white out” and disassociate from their mind and body.

Vidal’s lawyer spoke with a Spanish news agency about the charges: “Nacho is very upset by the death of this person, but he considers himself to be innocent. With all due respect to the dead man and his family, Nacho maintains that the consumption (of the venom) was completely voluntary.”



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/spanish-porn-actor-arrested-over-fatal-toad-venom-ceremony

Spanish police have arrested three people, including a well known pornographic actor, in connection with the death of a photographer who is thought to have died after inhaling toad venom during a shamanic ceremony.

The Guardia Civil did not name those detained, but the fatal ceremony, which took place in the Valencian town of Enguera in July 2019, allegedly involved the Spanish porn actor Nacho Vidal, and resulted in the death of a fashion photographer, José Luis Abad.

In a statement, the force said that two men and a woman aged from 37 to 50 had been arrested on suspicion of involuntary manslaughter and violating public health laws.

“Officers began the investigation after the death of a person during a mystical ritual involving the inhalation of vapours from the venom of the bufo alvarius toad,” the statement said.

“At the conclusion of an 11-month investigation, we have been able to establish that an offence of involuntary manslaughter and a public health offence had occurred, allegedly committed by those who organised and presided over the ritual.”

It also warned that the alleged ritual was considerably more dangerous than people might think.

“This was a commonly practised activity carried out for therapeutic or medicinal ends, but which posed a serious threat to public health despite being dressed up as what appeared to be an apparently inoffensive ancestral ritual,” it said.

The statement added that the ceremony involved “highly suggestible people who were especially vulnerable and were seeking alternative ways to cure certain ailments or addictions”.

Vidal’s lawyer, Daniel Salvador, said the death was sad but accidental, and denied suggestions that his client had acted as a shaman during the ritual.

He told the Spanish news agency Efe: “Nacho is very upset by the death of this person, but he considers himself to be innocent. With all due respect to the dead man and his family, Nacho maintains that the consumption [of the venom] was completely voluntary.”

Bufo alvarius, also known as the Sonoran Desert toad or Colorado River toad, are one of the largest such animals found in North America. The toad possesses a very powerful toxin that it uses to defend itself against predators.

The secretion contains a psychedelic substance known as 5-MeO-DMT, which medical researchers have studied as a possible treatment for depression and anxiety.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: rider420]
    #26719887 - 06/04/20 08:06 PM (1 month, 18 hours ago)

A threat to public health? How many people in Spain are "huffing" toad venom, let alone dying from the practice?

edit: Apparently this has more to do with criminal statutes in Spain, and building a case against this man, than any actual impact on "public health".

In Spain, this offense generally involves drug manufacture/trafficking.

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  • Trafficking of drug precursors (chemicals used for medicine production, which can also be misused for the manufacture of drugs, including methamphetamines, heroin or cocaine).
  • Preparatory acts: conspiracy, proposition and provocation.
  • The trafficking, growth, and processing of toxic drugs, narcotics and psychotropic substances or promotion of any other means of illegal consumption




Now I don't know how many people this guy was dosing, how much profit was involved, or if he was talking people into it...but seems like maybe this isn't really in line with the intent of the law, especially if the venom would otherwise be uncontrolled.

Seems like there is a lot of misinformation surrounding it in Spain, and conflation with regular DMT with little mention of bufotoxins.

I just can't wrap my head around using this statue here, when there are apparently companies set up in Spain offering this "ritual" and are generally operating freely.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26719912 - 06/04/20 08:18 PM (1 month, 18 hours ago)

They really are making sure you know the dude is a pron star..


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #26719990 - 06/04/20 08:52 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

The "cocktail" of compounds in toad venom includes the cardiac glycosides of bufotalin and bufogenin.  These compounds can be quite irritating to the myocardium, and if you drink or smoke enough, it is downright toxic and will produce changes to a person's heart rhythm.  These arrhythmias and dysrhythmias can easily predispose an individual to a fatal ventricular tachycardia.

I believe some years ago, a Shroomerite died after using bufotoxins extracted from the skin of his recently deceased pet bufo alvarius.  Absolutely can happen.

If you want the 5-MEO experience, get it pure.  Do not risk exposure to the myriad of compounds in toad venom.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Amanita86]
    #26720077 - 06/04/20 09:32 PM (1 month, 17 hours ago)

Nacho Vidal ffs  :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26720235 - 06/04/20 10:44 PM (1 month, 15 hours ago)

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If you want the 5-MEO experience, get it pure.  Do not risk exposure to the myriad of compounds in toad venom.




Is there an extraction tek for toad venom?
I know this story is in Spain but in USA 5-MeO-DMT was made a Schedule I controlled substance in 2011. A lot of RC vendors don't carry it and none will likely ship to US. Toads are going to be easier to get for a lot of people. Toad tourism is happening in Mexico now like Ayahusca. Probably be a few more deaths.

I live in Canada its not banned here I have a bit I grabbed a while back, still a little nervous about trying it.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26720406 - 06/05/20 12:00 AM (1 month, 14 hours ago)

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I believe some years ago, a Shroomerite died after using bufotoxins extracted from the skin of his recently deceased pet bufo alvarius.  Absolutely can happen.



Are you sure that wasn’t a troll?  I think I remember that thread or a similar one that I thought was a dude trolling.  I didn’t know someone ended up dieing.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Amanita86]
    #26720799 - 06/05/20 05:10 AM (1 month, 9 hours ago)

“Toad Venom”

I find 5meo to be profoundly uncomfortable just even pure


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: viraldrome]
    #26721283 - 06/05/20 10:16 AM (1 month, 4 hours ago)

Whether you could seperate it from the bufotoxins or not, no way in hell could I have a good trip knowing that a creature had been exploited and possibly died(assuredly, at least some) in order for me to dose...I just know it would end up a haunting experience.

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I believe some years ago, a Shroomerite died after using bufotoxins extracted from the skin of his recently deceased pet bufo alvarius.  Absolutely can happen.



Are you sure that wasn’t a troll?  I think I remember that thread or a similar one that I thought was a dude trolling.  I didn’t know someone ended up dieing.




That sounds like a troll, considering you don't extract it from the "skin" and the glands are milked while it is still alive.

If one is interested in 5-meo/5-ho then look into yopo seeds.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Fractal420]
    #26721301 - 06/05/20 10:23 AM (1 month, 4 hours ago)

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“Toad Venom”

I find 5meo to be profoundly uncomfortable just even pure



I’ve never tried it but the pattern seems to be that it’s a try it once and that’s it sort of drug.  I don’t think it gets the repeated use that nn does.  Apparently it’s very good at getting it’s message across in one go.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Amanita86]
    #26723101 - 06/06/20 02:36 AM (30 days, 11 hours ago)

oh god, what a sickening thought. I just realized that there's probably some sick serial killing fuck out there in the world who's dosed people with a psychedelic before torturing them. Or military's doing that for interrogations

Actually getting sick to my stomach thinking about that. I wonder if a horror movie has ever done that/eluded to that


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    #26723126 - 06/06/20 02:47 AM (30 days, 11 hours ago)

Without a doubt, look up BZ, it’s what Jacob’s Ladder was based on.  The crystal cole thread in the Pub involves psychedelic torture.  And then you got your Whitey Bulger type prison experiments..  considering the topic it’s actually pretty common.

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At this time the United States military investigated it along with a wide range of possible nonlethal, psychoactive incapacitating agents including psychedelic drugs such as LSD and THC, dissociative drugs such as ketamine and phencyclidine, potent opioids such as fentanyl, as well as several glycolate anticholinergics.[6][7] By 1959, the United States Army showed significant interest in deploying it as a chemical warfare agent.[5] It was originally designated "TK", but when it was standardized by the Army in 1961, it received the NATO code name "BZ".[5] The agent commonly became known as "Buzz" because of this abbreviation and the effects it had on the mental state of the human volunteers intoxicated with it in research studies at Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland.




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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Amanita86]
    #26723377 - 06/06/20 07:09 AM (30 days, 7 hours ago)

Yikes.

Friggin love jacobs ladder


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #26723384 - 06/06/20 07:15 AM (30 days, 7 hours ago)

He probably died of penis envy. Don't smoke Toad next to Nacho Vidal...


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #26724218 - 06/06/20 03:59 PM (29 days, 22 hours ago)

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Yikes.

Friggin love jacobs ladder



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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: chibiabos]
    #26724710 - 06/06/20 08:06 PM (29 days, 18 hours ago)

Boy did the remake of it suck though. possible I didn't give it a fair chance


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    #26725312 - 06/07/20 02:29 AM (29 days, 12 hours ago)

If you ever read Lysergic, it talks about real life psychedelic torture, among many other things surrounding the infamous lsd missile silo

I don’t mean MKULTRA. I mean kidnapping dosing


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    #26728869 - 06/08/20 02:48 PM (27 days, 23 hours ago)

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Boy did the remake of it suck though. possible I didn't give it a fair chance



Considering the fact that they got Michael Bay to direct (for some reason) I have a feeling that you did and that it just sucked.


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: chibiabos]
    #26733265 - 06/10/20 04:33 AM (26 days, 10 hours ago)

Are we talking about 1990ish Jacobs Ladder?

I haven’t seen any others


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Re: After a man died from inhaling psychedelic toad venom, a Spanish porn actor has been charged with manslaughter [Re: Fractal420]
    #26734345 - 06/10/20 02:49 PM (25 days, 23 hours ago)

idk the years but the remake had a black guy as the lead. Think the original was from the 70's and had a white male lead.


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