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OfflineSeekingSpiritual
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12g and all I got was sick.
    #26718801 - 06/04/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I entered this experience open to whatever, but really wanting something significant. Over 80% of people who take a heroic dose of mushrooms rate it as one of the most significant experiences of their life. For me, it was one of the sickest mornings of my life.

I woke up at 3am to sit outside by a bonfire and watch the sunrise. I ground 12g of dried Ecuador cubensis and did a Lemon Tek without straining the mushrooms out.  About an hour later the nausea kicked in hard and never stopped. I puked multiple times, showered, and curled up in bed for about 4 hours feeling like I was on the verge of puking more. I had moderate visuals with eyes open. When I closed my eyes it was like being instantly transported into a dream. The dreams were sporadic and nonsensical until it would finally meander to something unpleasant, at which point I'd open my eyes, see I was in bed, and then again wish I wasn't so nauseous. I was awake the whole time just with my eyes closed.

I was hoping the 12g would be enough for a breakthrough experience. I had done 1g and 2g before, just to dip my toe in the water. I got nauseous those times too, but it would quickly pass and I'd be left basically in a deep meditative state without effort, but no visuals.

It's all the same batch that I grew myself in a plastic tote near the window. I'm curious if my mushrooms have a low psilocybin percentage so I got 12g of sickness for 3g of visuals? (Not an okay trade-off.) Did they not get enough sun through the window and through the clear plastic tote to develop psilocybin? I am left wondering if all these people talking about breakthroughs, encounters with sentient beings, releasing trauma, curing addiction, etc is just people who give themselves food poisoning and enjoy the effects. But it can't be that! So what gives?

I didn't get the experience I wanted. I have some P.E. growing right now, but I'm really hesitant to try this again if it's going to be another 5 hours of nausea and puking.

Any wisdom would be appreciated.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: SeekingSpiritual]
    #26718942 - 06/04/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I have had some experiences with old mushrooms (dried and stored for over a year before consumption) where they didn't affect me nearly as strongly. I don't know how old the mushrooms you ate were, but that could be a factor.

There are other variables at play as well. Tolerance is a big one - generally, it's advised to take at least two week breaks between experiences. Another factor is food - I've found that consuming mushrooms on an empty stomach produces significantly stronger results than when I have food inside me. One time, I ate 2.5 dried grams on an empty stomach while my buddy ate 2.5 grams from the same batch right after eating a full meal. I had a pretty trippy evening, while he felt almost nothing. It also could have just been a bad batch!

As for not getting the experience you wanted, I've found that mushrooms don't always give me the experience I want. That's just par for the course, I think.

EDIT: All of that said, I couldn't even imagine taking 12 dried grams of mushrooms. That is beyond a heroic dosage, IMO. I've been taking mushrooms for years now, and the most I've ever taken was 4 dried grams - and that was a pretty significant experience.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: Nonagon Infinity] * 1
    #26718968 - 06/04/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you got really sick for hours then there was something wrong with the shrooms. Maybe moldy / rotten, something like that. :shrug:

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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: Pandemoon] * 3
    #26718988 - 06/04/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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12g and all I got was sick




That's make a great t-shirt. :laugh2:

Always strain the spent shrooms out. Always strain the spent shrooms out. Always strain the spent shrooms out.

It doesn't take sun to make mushrooms produce psilocybin.  My grows would be fucked if that were true.

Actually what I recommend is you make proper tea and just ramp your dosages up over time to find out what works for you and what amount gives you what you want from it, not jump all the way to the extreme until you're sure it's worth doing.

And to say there is no "heroic" dose, but there is enough, too much, and way the fuck too much.  YMMV.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26719059 - 06/04/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid:

2g to 12g seems like a pretty unreasonable jump. Not that you shouldn’t, your experiences are entirely your choice. But for harm mitigation purposes we don’t tell someone who drank, at most, a couple of beers, to start chugging bottles of hard liquor. The same for these powerful substances, make reasonable increases if you want to explore higher. And I’m surprised you didn’t transcend your mortal flesh taking that much. Are you on any meds or have recent tolerance from mushrooms or LSD?

Eating mushrooms gives me pretty bad bloating and gas. As Primal said make tea, it solves my issue. (And fast for at least 4 hours beforehand).

Of course MS grows have variable potency but I’ve never had an experience where I would even consider taking 12g of a batch and have always had solid experiences (with some deviation in potency) on 3g and above.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26719345 - 06/04/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am thinking since you vomited after an hour that your stomach didnt absorb all of the actives. Like Primal said, make tea but not with 12g. You are lucky you didnt trip more  it could have been a worse experience with that nausea.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26719413 - 06/04/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

you're 100% going to want to make a tea and not just straight up eat anything over about 6g, I would say


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: Corundum]
    #26719498 - 06/04/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've eaten 8g with no issues. Some people have a hard time digesting mushrooms. My family is from Mexico so maybe my genetics are well accustomed to eating them.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26719511 - 06/04/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Make tea next time. You also could have just had a weak batch also. 12 gs would probably make most people sick. It’s probably a good thing you puked them up. You probably would have had a terrible experience on 12gs if they hit u right.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: SFS96]
    #26720579 - 06/05/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The puking is simply what limited the trip.
I mix with ginger to counter the nausea, works well.

I also think taking 12g searching for a spiritual breakthrough isn't going to work, there is no shortcut to any sort of enlightenment, mushrooms can be a tool to help you find your path, not a light switch.

Adjust your dose, change your intention and see what the little guys have to offer.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: SuperMario940]
    #26720633 - 06/05/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe that way mushroom gods say to you that you aren't ready yet.

Such high dose could have injured you for a long time. +
Have a read about people's bad experiences. It's not something you can shake of your shoulder on the next day if you didn't like it.

Dose reasonable amount. Trip. Integrate. Repeat...
Be grateful. Don't rush.

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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: MrStinkyShrooman]
    #26720974 - 06/05/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mushroom tea is a very good idea at any but especially larger quantities and also straining out the solids. I have experimented with eating the solids and discarding them and there is significant difference.
If I discard the solids I don't feel any sickness, while if I eat them I will have discomfort inside that lingers on for many hours. Actual strength of the trip has not changed so I toss the solids as soon as I have strained out all the liquids when I am prepping the tea.
Just mushrooms have always caused me significant discomfort, even if it was just 2 grams. A friend has also told me he will never go back to bare mushrooms and will always do tea and not just because of taste but because his insides suffer a great deal otherwise.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: MindMeower]
    #26721237 - 06/05/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

12 grams of powder is a lot of material of any kind to sit on your stomach, nevermind when it contains alkaloids that will completely change your physiology.

Tea would definitely be the way forward.

There's also the chance the mushrooms were a bit funky but none of us could say that for sure.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: teenagehippie] * 1
    #26721887 - 06/05/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you all. I will strain the mushrooms and drop down to 3g next time and maybe increase from there depending upon how that goes. All my research pointed to >5g having the prolonged psychological benefits and >10g producing a DMT like breakthrough. Guess I have a longer journey to get there, if ever. Now I gotta see if my wife will give me permission to try this again someday.


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: SeekingSpiritual]
    #26721972 - 06/05/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely do some reading up on teas and also the legendary (for good reason) LEMON-TEK! *worlds best bugle call*

Also having the right stomach contents (i.e not a lot of anything) is a good idea.



Also ginger :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: SeekingSpiritual]
    #26722030 - 06/05/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

+1 on ginger. Ginger feels so good on my stomach every time.

Yeah, I think 3g is a mighty fine dosage. If you make proper tea with that many, you will almost certainly get a taste of what mushrooms have to offer. Psychedelic explorations are definitely not a race. There is definitely such a thing as taking too much. I've never taken too much myself, but I've witnessed others before, and it's not pretty.

Personally, I don't know if I'll ever feel brave enough for even 5 grams. Maybe someday down the road when I have lots more experience, but it's not something I'm rushing to. I've never even remotely considered taking more than 5 grams, but that's just me.

Good luck, fellow psychonaut!


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Re: 12g and all I got was sick. [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26722256 - 06/05/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
:whathesaid:

2g to 12g seems like a pretty unreasonable jump.




I agree, that's a massive leap in dosage.


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