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wasab
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ID help with 3 North East US finds
#26694530 - 05/25/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello,
First Post. I’ve been lurking here for a little under a year. Signed up shortly before I fell ill with this virus that nearly killed me in February. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone on here who takes the time to make this forum awesome and to make the world a safer place for hunters. We should be learning about fungi in Public School in my opinion...
I am not sufficiently educated or experienced to converse with mycologists yet but I read everyday and this forum helps me advance my knowledge.
I’m an avid hiker but I just started hunting/learning about mushrooms last year. I have a few hypotheses in what these 3 are but I’m not sure and keep second guessing myself.
I feel very confident with obvious fungi like Birch Polypore or Turkeytail, both of which I credit with saving my life this February.
I’m hoping at least 1 of these 3 are psychedelic but having almost died once in 2020 (so far) I, like, REALLY don’t want to take my second chance at life and throw it away eating a deadly Galerina (SP?) or some other toxic shroom.
Habitat: Where does it grow?
 Near stream bank in hardwood forest. Heavy carpet of leaf litter and wood chips.
Interesting historical side note: located on property where First Nation sweat lodge (supposedly Lenape) was active then transferred to Scottish settlers who prided themselves in how many “savages” 😔 they killed, then transferred to an Inuit owner for uses before I started hiking there. I watched the Inuit owner have a Lenape guide show them the former location of the lodge by the main stream with the rocks they used etc... it was pretty cool. This land is supposed to be sacred but I think all forests are sacred. This land has always been identified on maps as hunting land But it’s clear from left over barbed wire, young tree growth and some Shepard height rock walls that it was cleared and used for Cow and Sheep at one point. The cow and sheep were allowed to drink from an area that was a beaver pond along the stream. Aside from the 2 stream tributaries there are several springs that do not freeze in the winter.
Location for all 3 subjects is less than 2 hours from NYC and Found this month, May 2020, but I also found these same 3 ( I think) late last Fall.
#1 Habitat appears to be popping out of pile of well decomposed branches and logs of hardwood but might be coming from under the trunk that is under the compost laying on the ground.. Surrounding this there are occasional cedar, oak, maple, many beech, hickory stumps (was unfortunately selectively logged for the hickory), alder, ash.. tons of fern, laurel and poison oak and poison ivy. I feel like everyday I hike, I identify a new plant. Also Fox, Coyote, many turkey, Fisher cats, mink, raven, turtles, red tail hawks ( one flew right past me with a garder snake the other day) tons of white tail deer, many types of wood peckers, big healthy black bear who have 2-3 babies every few years in the corner of the property where they left a few Hickory trees their machines could not get to.
I’m not sure what kind of tree branches and stumps these are because they are a few years into decomposition. I deposited a large amount of dehydrated manures and compost to “feed” the pile of wood last year after noticing similar mushrooms.
Gills: I find myself second guessing this and had to set up beer traps to lure slugs away, so I might be wrong because of slug damage But I took pics and I look forward to being schooled on how to describe.

Stem: Hollow, white, thick
Cap: I’m still learning the fancy names of the cap shapes. I look forward to becoming more educated... the cap does not have a nipple. Ovoid shape as babies and then more flying saucer as they get bigger but the slugs have prevented me from getting “pretty” mature specimens The cap color ranges from Dark brownorange-ish when they are babies but dry out tan.

Spore print color: black and brown Deep

Bruising: It bruises dark-ish I don’t see “blue” but They do bruise.
Other information: Not sure about smell. I’m recovering from near death experience with Covid 19 which robbed me of my tastebuds. Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.
I have Two other species to identify
#2 ________________

Habitat: same as above except this one is growing out of pile of farm compost on forest floor. These appear to be more compost related where as the ones above are growing out of decomposing tree branches. Of course there could be a branch in this pile of compost or on the forest floor and I’m just not seeing it.
Gills: um NOT attached??? See pic please

Cap: conical? I’m still learning. I don’t do well with multiple choice, unless it has a nipple I feel like I could argue several shape descriptions 😂
Spore print: looks grey at first glance but I definitely see dark purple brown too. The color looked like light black charcoal until I put the black object next to it. The brown is not Light cinnamon brown.

#3 (Thinking these are pan cincts? Mmmaybe?) _________

Habitat: same as #2 North east forest This fungi grows in a few different parts of the property near compost and piles of decaying tree parts but appears to grow out of the compost not the wood.
Cap: two tone with band see photo
Stem: dark, weak, red-ish

Spore Print: Black See picture 
Thanks in advance for your help!
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Psilosadhu



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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: wasab]
#26694539 - 05/25/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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1: You have spore prints from two different species there. 2: psathyrella 3: panaeolus cinctulus
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wasab
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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26694580 - 05/25/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Psilosadhu said: 1: You have spore prints from two different species there. 2: psathyrella 3: panaeolus cinctulus
Thanks for the quick reply AND the id on #2 and #3
I totally see why it appears as if those are two prints but they are from the same cap, just picked up and moved over, I checked it too soon and messed up. Here’s that same set of prints and others from the same flush as #1 
Edit to add: if you look close (in person) it appears as if the spore print is drawn with one black line then one dark brown line. I don’t know if I can upload short video clip but as you rotate the spore print it reveals different colors. It is sort of holographic.
Edited by wasab (05/25/20 09:57 AM)
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Psilosadhu



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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: wasab]
#26694640 - 05/25/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, it's another psathyrella
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wasab
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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: Psilosadhu]
#26694643 - 05/25/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you
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Doc9151
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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: wasab]
#26695139 - 05/25/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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1and 2 are Psathyrella 3 could be Panaeolus cinctulus or Pan. foenisecii. The gills look pretty brownish and I can't see the print clearly enough to determine the proper color. Pictures should always be taken using natural light, I take mine outside in the shade or in my shadow. Any hint of brown in the spore print is indicative for Panaeolus foenisecii. Panaeolus cinctulus will have striations that twist around the stem and has white powdery coating that is easily wiped off with the finger turning the stem reddish brown.
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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: Doc9151]
#26718414 - 06/04/20 05:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Panaeolus cinctulus will have striations that twist around the stem and has white powdery coating that is easily wiped off with the finger turning the stem reddish brown.
Your whole reply was very helpful. Thank you.
Is This (see photo) the "twist" you're referring to?
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Re: ID help with 3 North East US finds [Re: wasab]
#26718536 - 06/04/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, that is what I am talking about.
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