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Alternate substrate materials?
    #26715461 - 06/02/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hello friends. Noob here, haven't harvested anything yet. My jars have gotten to about 75% success rate. I am using a WBS Mushboy TEK he probably doesn't even remember writing: "24 hr soak, drain, load jars slightly wet, PC two hours" and inoculating with spore syringe in a SAB.

My shoeboxes are at a 0% success rate. I start with pristine white myc and then they are getting infected with green mold, probably trich, even after aggressive, healthy-looking colonization. The fluffy white top turns a dark grey, looks super dead.

I have been unable to procure coco coir, for covid-19 reasons. Vermiculite + WBS is not working (the WBS sprouted!). Vermiculite + rice is not working. I think I have good air exchange. I may be over-watering; I am ashamed to say I still haven't got a kitchen scale, but I definitely have not exceeded the verm field capacity. My room is a little bit cool; the current box has been placed by a sunny window. Hoping this helps. Anyone else have other ideas?


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube]
    #26715469 - 06/03/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I’m a little confused. Your using wbs as spawn and verm as a substrate when you say verm+wbs?


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube]
    #26715472 - 06/03/20 12:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can you find horse shit in your area? Do you not have access to Amazon?

Have you tried cakes?

I think you have some reading to do. There are plenty of great teks at your disposal. Pick one that fits your capacity, and follow it step by step.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26715485 - 06/03/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid: if u have access to the internet you can order coir.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: SFS96]
    #26715497 - 06/03/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I like this stuff $5.49 per brick including shipping.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26715651 - 06/03/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can you show us some pics of your sbstrate and shit?


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: poisoned]
    #26717739 - 06/03/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I do not purchase from Amazon. Not willing to help Bezos become a trillionaire. Not keen on uploading photos of federal crimes, either.

I am using WBS in the jar (working well) and WBS + verm in the shoebox (not working)


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube] * 1
    #26717768 - 06/03/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

well you could try growing a coconut tree, and shred the husk yourself :shrug:

Amazon isn't the only website that stocks coir.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: The Fresh Prints]
    #26717875 - 06/03/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Petsmart sells coir.  As far as the pics go, in this day and age, no cop shop cares about recreational shroom growing. They help people help you.


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    #26717887 - 06/03/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don’t think the wbs should be germinating after the pressure cooker.

It sprouts all the time when I leave a little in the bucket or wherever but never seen it after cooking.


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    #26717890 - 06/03/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don’t think the wbs should be germinating after the pressure cooker.





^this...
...but to answer the OP, Black Kow composted manure is cheap at the HD.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26717892 - 06/03/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don’t think the wbs should be germinating after the pressure cooker.

It sprouts all the time when I leave a little in the bucket or wherever but never seen it after cooking.



:whathesaid:
If you are having sprouted grains after a PC cycle then you aren't sterilizing right.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26717907 - 06/03/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have experimented a lot with WBS.  I find a 12 hour soak and 24 hour sit n dry work best.  Mine was sprouting too and I don't like that... that means there is dead plant material in the jar after PC'ing.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26717914 - 06/03/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I did not PC the WBS / verm that I used as shoebox substrate. Is that my problem? I read on here that bulk substrates do not even need to be pasteurized. I thought the logic was that by the time a jar is fully colonized the mycelium is resilient enough to handle a few endospores or whatever. Of course I was reading that in reference to coir, not the junk I'm attempting.

And I post way too much radical socialist class warfare shit on FB and Reddit, I'm on plenty of watchlists, just don't like taking risks.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube]
    #26717925 - 06/03/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

actually, that reminds me, my last shoebox got infected at one spot... There was myco-piss, so I let the entire substrate dry out for a day, and it took care of the problem and went back to normal... ended up with a decent yield this week.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube] * 1
    #26717966 - 06/03/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I did not PC the WBS

just don't like taking risks.




I beg to differ.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube]
    #26718085 - 06/03/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I do not purchase from Amazon. Not willing to help Bezos become a trillionaire. Not keen on uploading photos of federal crimes, either.

I am using WBS in the jar (working well) and WBS + verm in the shoebox (not working)




I'm sure you're using plenty of products from China... they're ten times worse than Bezos.

And not PC'ing WBS is like a swimming pool with no water.  Call it a day using WBS and steam some BRF.


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: timecube]
    #26718115 - 06/04/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I did not PC the WBS / verm that I used as shoebox substrate. Is that my problem? I read on here that bulk substrates do not even need to be pasteurized. I thought the logic was that by the time a jar is fully colonized the mycelium is resilient enough to handle a few endospores or whatever. Of course I was reading that in reference to coir, not the junk I'm attempting.

And I post way too much radical socialist class warfare shit on FB and Reddit, I'm on plenty of watchlists, just don't like taking risks.




Yes that’s definitely your problem. You shouldn’t even use WBS in a substrate that’s almost guaranteed to be the problem. Even if you sterilized it will still contaminate. Grains should be used only for spawn. And the only bulk substrate that doesn’t need to be pasteurized Is coir. If your not willing to order coir then find some horse/cow shit or straw and pasteurize it. Also pasteurization can be tricky until u get it down, just get some coir or do the PF Tek:shrug:


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Re: Alternate substrate materials? [Re: SFS96]
    #26718149 - 06/04/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks so much for the advice, everyone. I should be able to get my hands on straw and uh "natural fertilizer" without too much trouble.


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