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OfflineOldnameforgotten
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Effects of being in the job world
    #26715073 - 06/02/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I ponder a lot these pavlovian effects of being in an environment where you cannot be yourself. Whether you be the boss.... bound by liability with potential lawsuits, workmans comp and what not..... or the employee... going for a promotion, impressing the boss, trying not to get fired..... whatever the case.

Thats ignoring the fact that a lot of what people do for work is not natural. Sitting at a desk for 8 hours.... standing at an entrance to walmart greeting people.... putting a single bolt in on some metal object.

Then going home at the end and relaxing on the couch because "the day is done".

Then doing this for 5 days a week and having a weekend to celebrate another finished week.

And then doing this for 40 years? More in most cases.




I wonder what this does to our minds as a society and as an individual. Does it make us more receptive to programming? Do we become more willing to do what we are told? What blind spots do we develop? Is it possible to maintain these conditions without having negative side effects?


Its funny. I personally dont have a problem anymore with working 40-60 hours a week. I enjoy having a purpose. The thing that bothers me the most is..... what basically amount to lying to each other to hold up the facade of employee to employer, employee to customer, and employee to employee relationships.

Why cant I just talk to everyone how I feel like talking? Especially if I naturally gravitate towards saying supportive and "good" things.


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26716682 - 06/03/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think working jobs is programming.  Length and intensity as factors.  I would guess people are more aware of how affected they are the more programming they have.


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26716860 - 06/03/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

No way this office shit aint bad for us. I think it's fucking terrible, but it's the only way for most of us to earn a semi-decent wage, and it's becoming more and moreso with time.

I've promised myself I'll be out of this shit by 40 (36.5 now). Gonna go spend the rest of my life on my feet in NSW; farming cattle or running a gym.

Fuck the corporate hellholes. Not being able to be myself makes me fucking squirm. Especially in America.


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26717639 - 06/03/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Go back to your own side of the pond, you limey! :shakefist:


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #26725551 - 06/07/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Dear all there's fine carpentry jobs you can get hold of that's life


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26726136 - 06/07/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Oldnameforgotten said:
I ponder a lot these pavlovian effects of being in an environment where you cannot be yourself. Whether you be the boss.... bound by liability with potential lawsuits, workmans comp and what not..... or the employee... going for a promotion, impressing the boss, trying not to get fired..... whatever the case.

Thats ignoring the fact that a lot of what people do for work is not natural. Sitting at a desk for 8 hours.... standing at an entrance to walmart greeting people.... putting a single bolt in on some metal object.

Then going home at the end and relaxing on the couch because "the day is done".

Then doing this for 5 days a week and having a weekend to celebrate another finished week.

And then doing this for 40 years? More in most cases.




I wonder what this does to our minds as a society and as an individual. Does it make us more receptive to programming? Do we become more willing to do what we are told? What blind spots do we develop? Is it possible to maintain these conditions without having negative side effects?


Its funny. I personally dont have a problem anymore with working 40-60 hours a week. I enjoy having a purpose. The thing that bothers me the most is..... what basically amount to lying to each other to hold up the facade of employee to employer, employee to customer, and employee to employee relationships.

Why cant I just talk to everyone how I feel like talking? Especially if I naturally gravitate towards saying supportive and "good" things.





So I ponder this sometimes as well. I've been in the same job for ~14 years. And what I've tentatively concluded is that the more skilled you are at expressing yourself in ways that benefit not just yourself but also those around you, the more genuine you can be, and the more receptive everyone around you is to your ideas.

The people who cannot find socially beneficial ways to express and resort to suppression instead are the one's who generally stall out in terms of personal growth, stall out in terms of workplace advancement, and are the one's who hate their jobs the most. But it is the individual who is struggling to find a positive way to express in a social setting rather than the job stifling expression. Jobs are part of society and if you cannot find a way to benefit the society with your expression then of course the society is not going to appreciate it.


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Kickle]
    #26726149 - 06/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a network administrator...and I like my job. I am always available but come and go as I please....I don't put on for no one. I do my shit and ignore all else. People are so damn happy for the help I can be a total drug fiend and nobody cares...


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26726187 - 06/07/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Right on :thumbup:

I've had conversations with employees over the years about fit. Telling them that the job is not a good fit. It won't make them happy and while it will pay decent, I strongly recommend finding someplace that fits their skills and/or personality better.

I do think that this is on society a bit, but people go for jobs that they think are good and by extension good for them without actually assessing whether they are a good fit for the job. For example a childhood friend of mine went to law school and became a lawyer. Not 3 years into the work he quit, flew off the handle and tried to kill himself. The money investment into law school, the time investment, all of it was too much for something he hated.

To me that was never going to be a good fit even though he's a bright and capable dude.

Another example, one of my top sales people in my store wanted to go to law school. His father was a lawyer. But he struggled to focus on schooling and would rather be working with people. Again, ill assessed view of what his strenghts are IMO. Thankfully he decided to go into coaching instead. And now he coaches and recruits for a big college in this part of the world. A good fit IMO and dodging a bullet in a way.


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Re: Effects of being in the job world [Re: Kickle]
    #26726242 - 06/07/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

a convergence of themes of imprisonment
we are locked in to life and must perform some acts, rites, rituals, biological functions etc.
but in the end of our lives we die.
as if this endgame had any meaning.  no meaningful endgame exists except compassion.

the only meaning is what anything means to you in the moment. the moment is the time you are alive bound-in-the-flesh, while all other issues are not, and cannot figure into an equation of meaning in life.

however, at the same time, making the time we do here worse is not good, while making the time we are here better is good.

job-wise or otherwise.


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