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Offlineacculacy
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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: Psion]
    #26720880 - 06/05/20 04:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, this mixed messaging is bad and it ought to change. It led to me delaying taking psychedelics, which was harmful. Depressive symptoms and low mood are a reason to take psychedelics, not avoid them. The LSD in my experience caused very quick remission of the pain associated with depression. On the other hand, it is possible that you shouldn't take them if something specific is causing you present distress.


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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: acculacy]
    #26721015 - 06/05/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I’ve tripped for almost 35myears so I wasn’t really expecting lockdown to have an impact. But I was wrong; first in the seriousness of the lockdown, and second the impact of this on my “set” and hence trips. It has definitely negatively impacted recent trips.
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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: golmo]
    #26721035 - 06/05/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

let us know how it goes.
Happy trails.


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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #26721162 - 06/05/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

As stated above, it seems the message was distorted somewhere.

It isn’t about being in a “perfect” place before taking psychedelics. If that was the case, just about no one would partake. Many of us in here started to experiment at some of our lowest points in life, because we were at our wits end. I was at the point where I could no longer take living anymore. So I was really thinking about taking my own life. But before I did I wanted to experience one last adventure. So I drove cross country to Burning Man in the hopes that I may have a grand experience and maybe find some mushrooms before I go out (at that point I had never taken any psychedelic, although I had smoked weed for close to a decade). The universe granted me that wish in the most spectacular way and my first trip pulled me from the depths.

It didn’t solve all of my problems but I no longer wanted to die. I got my hope back, even though I continued to struggle with many of my issues. But I was now aware of what needed to change. A couple years down the line and I’ve made progress but still have a long way to go. But now I found love (mushrooms) and the emptiness I’ve felt has been filled by this community and the magic that I get to experience.

Point being, sometimes we need something drastic when we reach the bottom. But not everyone may react the same way and psychedelics are very powerful.

From my experience alone, I think it is a transcendental supplement, and at times a catalyst, to personal change.


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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #26721303 - 06/05/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

For good mind SET, you may have a good sense of who you are and what your attitudes are. this connection with SET is as good as it gets.

not having a sense of who you are, or having pretense that you are other than how you are, is bad SET. (i.e. it is ok to be depressed or sad and know the depths of it and be able to look at it as real)

when things begin shifting around perceptually, your connectedness to your own nature is what carries you through on fair terms.

I find that pretense or dishonesty, and superstitious behavior, or profound yearning for anything that is not already as it is will tip the scales into poor MINDSET.

The truth is we do not know anything absolutely, and we do not influence what is beyond us to any great extent, but we are here and it is totally amazing, so with that approach you will get honest results.

it can be the beginning of taking things more lightly, and still being true to one's self.


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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #26721465 - 06/05/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:

when things begin shifting around perceptually, your connectedness to your own nature is what carries you through on fair terms.

I find that pretense or dishonesty, and superstitious behavior, or profound yearning for anything that is not already as it is will tip the scales into poor MINDSET.

The truth is we do not know anything absolutely, and we do not influence what is beyond us to any great extent, but we are here and it is totally amazing, so with that approach you will get honest results.

it can be the beginning of taking things more lightly, and still being true to one's self.




On point!
Very well said redgreenvines,  :cheers:


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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: golmo]
    #26721554 - 06/05/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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golmo said:
I was generally asking to know if its ok to use psychedelic plants even when not in the best mental state. just because i heard it can amplify your feelings so i was afraid it will make things worse.




I battled with suicidal depression my whole life.  Every waking moment was spent fighting this din of "kill yourself" going around in my head.  A few days after a suicide attempt in 2016, I took LSD and mushrooms together in a last ditch effort to get to the bottom of my problems.  I set the intent - "Take me to the source of the (kill yourself) noise"

I found a little girl inside of me who was afraid to live, screaming and trapped in a dungeon.  We got to know each other better, met our demons, and overcame them with the power of music and dance. 

For me, it was setting that intent...to find the internal source.  To this day, I have not had a single suicidal thought or depressive action. I even get to speak to crowds and on podcasts about this experience.  It's truly changed my life in every way possible.

For your friend, it might be worth checking out a ketamine clinic.  They're in lots of places now.  If you have a clinical diagnosis of depression or anxiety, you can walk in and talk with a psychiatrist.  They give you a sub-psychedelic dose of ketamine, infused over a 1/2 hour or hour in a dimly lit, quiet room with headphones.  Lots of people report success with this kind of therapy after one treatment.


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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26721563 - 06/05/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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ShroomerInTheRye said:
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golmo said:
I was generally asking to know if its ok to use psychedelic plants even when not in the best mental state. just because i heard it can amplify your feelings so i was afraid it will make things worse.




I battled with suicidal depression my whole life.  Every waking moment was spent fighting this din of "kill yourself" going around in my head.  A few days after a suicide attempt in 2016, I took LSD and mushrooms together in a last ditch effort to get to the bottom of my problems.  I set the intent - "Take me to the source of the (kill yourself) noise"

I found a little girl inside of me who was afraid to live, screaming and trapped in a dungeon.  We got to know each other better, met our demons, and overcame them with the power of music and dance. 

For me, it was setting that intent...to find the internal source.  To this day, I have not had a single suicidal thought or depressive action. I even get to speak to crowds and on podcasts about this experience.  It's truly changed my life in every way possible.

For your friend, it might be worth checking out a ketamine clinic.  They're in lots of places now.  If you have a clinical diagnosis of depression or anxiety, you can walk in and talk with a psychiatrist.  They give you a sub-psychedelic dose of ketamine, infused over a 1/2 hour or hour in a dimly lit, quiet room with headphones.  Lots of people report success with this kind of therapy after one treatment.




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Re: Conflict between "set and setting" and the need to get healed (depression) [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26722352 - 06/05/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You’re allowed to take them when depressed or feeling any thing.

You might be more likely to have a rough trip, but ime that’s what brings the benefits.

Its like going to the dentist for your soul. You have a rotten soul tooth bringing you down and it’s gotta get pulled out. It’ll suck but you’ll feel a lot better after.


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