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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #26724011 - 06/06/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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. . .  investing one's self in the ills of the world to the point one is experiencing anxiety and reducing their effectiveness is counterproductive.




Amen.    Without a healthy level of detachment, we cripple ourselves and generate more suffering.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: SporeJunkie] * 1
    #26725197 - 06/06/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I went through this stuff like 30 years ago. And it's completely valid to ask this question over and over. It used to piss me off because I thought no one else noticed. Now I know a lot of people do actually notice, there are some people who do not... And we must forgive those people. Now it's mostly just an endless source of fun just watching it all unfold is awesome. That doesn't mean I don't have to participate in it beyond the minimums. Culture is not your friend but it's also not your enemy it just is.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26725687 - 06/07/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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It used to piss me off because I thought no one else noticed. Now I know a lot of people do actually notice, there are some people who do not... And we must forgive those people.




A wise perspective, imo. However the emotional ties to one's community will precipitate conflict. Reining in one's emotions while negotiating a compromise is often the job of supermen.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: SporeJunkie] * 2
    #26725796 - 06/07/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The thing with society is, we invented it; it's a social construction. So we shouldn't expect too much from it. It's like when I go to the bar (when the bar was open) and one of my friends was completely cool, and one was OK, and one was WTF do you think is up with this dude. I don't expect anything more from society than that.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26725837 - 06/07/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah but that’s what I’m saying. It was inevitable. I don’t think humans planned “society” and if they did they didn’t do a good job maintaining it. Shit has gotten way out of hand. Whether you agree with a lot of this crap going on or not it’s still going on. And most of it is insane.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: SporeJunkie]
    #26725854 - 06/07/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Society is so weird [Re: SporeJunkie]
    #26725956 - 06/07/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you take the big picture it has always ebbed and flowed. I remember Vietnam when I was a kid...the hippies...the protests...people thought the world had gone crazy. Be fortunate you are seeing history and societal change now. This period in the culture is actually very cool. Someday you'll tell people the story of when society realized social responsibility. One of Hunter S Thompson's regrets was that he perceived young people stopped speaking out...and yet it happens again. I do not like Donald Trump but he has been a huge catalyst for change. He didn't plan it that way...he thought the opposite....but he did tear down the system. However he fucked it against himself...lol.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26725981 - 06/07/20 09:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I do not like Donald Trump but he has been a huge catalyst for change. He didn't plan it that way...he thought the opposite....but he did tear down the system. However he fucked it against himself...lol.




I think this is very important for a lot of the left to remember, because we can either waste our energy being angry at/about him or look at the positive and see what a catalyst he's been.  The new media news networks I used to watch unfortunately seem to have chosen the former, which is why I stopped watching them.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Forrester]
    #26726079 - 06/07/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Actually Trump did what he promised...he broke the system and now it needs to be reconstructed. I don't think even he understood how it would go....this time will be a huge benefit to our country. Trump just blundered it but got it right unintentionally.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26726125 - 06/07/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

He absolutely, certainly, without a doubt had no idea what he was doing :lol:

Sometimes that's what it takes.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Forrester]
    #26726131 - 06/07/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Its called fate...


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26726254 - 06/07/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

fate is a meaningless attribution.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: SporeJunkie]
    #26727147 - 06/07/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

in the end it is just self preservation people are too scared to die nowadays, people don't accept that life and death are interchangeable. You cannot create life without death and vice versa.

With society we have invented ways of avoiding death for as long as we can but of course it is a pretty hopeless cause. We managed to prolong our lives in certain places where society is most advanced and we have solved problems like famine and drought in many places. Now as a result we have the good part of 8 million people who are trying to forget death, now there's a mass extinction, and we are most probably at fault for this one.

Freedom is the balance between life and death, now there's so many of us that we have to rely on societies to stop us from dying out. And I think that we need to stop being so afraid. But then again we were evolved to be afraid and not all of us can control these basic instincts, well every one can with the right experience but society has stopped most people from reaching that point of experience in life.

But don't worry eventually the balance will tip far enough for everything founded above to fall off, and so the balance will be re-established.

Either that or we carry on and break through all limits and colonize past this planet, but don't worry by then you won't even have the freedom to think how weird society is and you'll have plenty of soma and open relationships to make you happy about it as well.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: kitten6] * 1
    #26727472 - 06/07/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

At times everything seems weird. Being here at all can seem weird.

Even if everything was okay, okay could seem weird but maybe not bad weird, just weird.

But people in general seem to exist on a scale of fucked up. And what's weird is that so many people think everyone is fucked up but them, or they know they're fucked up but don't know how to not be fucked up. And the systems that are supposed to help us? Beliefs of literal virgin births and flying donkeys. Weird. So that's how society turns out... and it's all perfectly normal. Bad drama is better than no drama. When there are intimacy issues good drama can become all but impossible. Bad drama is the only choice. And people say they hate it, but in a way they seem to love it.

It's not just physical death people are avoiding, but death of the ego, which also prevents ecstatic states and feelings of being okay. And instead of taking the steps to experience natural highs, they do everything else they can to create ecstasy, indiscriminate sex, drugs, exciting themselves with violence, hatred, sorrow and remorse. Things that are exhausting rather than life affirming. Almost as if they're trying to kill themselves... but they don't want to die... but they do. Feeling pain can seem better than feeling nothing at all and often those seem to be the only choices. It's weird.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26727721 - 06/07/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Fate is what happens when you look away...


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26728017 - 06/08/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Society is the mass "waking" manifestation of the unconscious mind.

:mushroom::mushroom::mushroom: are the IMHO to unraveling all of that shit.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #26728422 - 06/08/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fate is what happens when you look away...



don't look away, keep observing even when you turn your head, clearly the whole "fate" thing is due to distraction and it never means the same thing twice.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Tmethyl]
    #26732764 - 06/09/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't care about the world. There are (insert your tragic happening) somewhere every day. What is the point in caring if one cannot make a difference? It's just wasted feelings and effort, worry, fear, time.

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What are we all doing?




Trying to satisfy our fear and greed and loneliness. It has always been so. Always will be.

Why care? And if one has no good reason to care, why feel bad about not caring? I'm not saying don't care at all. Choose your battles wisely.


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Rahz]
    #26733585 - 06/10/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Why care? And if one has no good reason to care, why feel bad about not caring?




This I agree with very much.  Guilt to me is one of the most utterly useless human emotions I can think of.

Not only does it not serve the self, or the other, it also happens to be extremely detrimental to the self, in so many ways...

*Although it could be argued that guilt can be very useful - this is mainly in the manipulation of others, which I would hold still does not serve the self in the end, although some base their whole lives on the belief that it does*


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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Forrester]
    #26733623 - 06/10/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure why the repost is there. I didn't repost my own post.


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