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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Tmethyl]
#26715004 - 06/02/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rahz
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Do you "care" about all those people? If you say yes, I'd say it's just lip service to make yourself feel good. Care is an action word, not some feels.
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redgreenvines said: I am sorry if it has happened to you.
More lip service imo, or does he really feel distress?
Choosing to involve one's self in a forum involves some responsibility to one's self and the other participants, or at least it can, maybe should, but I can't directly answer your question. He can. I guess it depends on how stoic he is. Albeit over the internet it's a direct correspondence which is different than talking about how you feel bad about such and such situation, but do nothing about it.
More to the point, do you care about homeless people? If yes, what have you done about it? Donated? Offered a bed? Delivered food or worked in a soup kitchen? That would be caring. Feeling bad about something isn't really care. So why "care"? To satisfy one's own moral obligation to feel bad? Makes no sense. If you don't really care for homeless people that's fine. You have a finite amount of resources, effort, influence. You direct it how you see fit.
I don't care about homeless people. Simple statement of fact as evidenced by my actions.
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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Rahz]
#26715097 - 06/02/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think the condition is that black & white. One can be discomfited by the thought and act accordingly if an opportunity arose. Time is the essence in determining lip-service; a quarter in a beggar's cup = care, and I suppose a fist shaken in defiance = distress.
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Oldnameforgotten
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Buster_Brown said: I don't think the condition is that black & white. One can be discomfited by the thought and act accordingly if an opportunity arose. Time is the essence in determining lip-service; a quarter in a beggar's cup = care, and I suppose a fist shaken in defiance = distress.
I say we stop thanking the military for their service then. If you are not going to go out to war RIGHT NOW then its just lip service. Even retired veterans.
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I'm confused; remind me what Australia's military has accomplished to be thankful for.
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Agreed, although it would be so nice to have a friend or two nearby. This loneliness hurts so bad.
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Buster_Brown said: I'm confused; remind me what Australia's military has accomplished to be thankful for.
For one I'm american living in aus. And two theres a shit ton of aussies that have died for america. You can only say this if you dont know about history other than american history.
We have a modern "Alamo" that we celebrate every year.
But this isnt the point I was making was it? My point was if your issue is with empty platitudes why not also include thanking military vets for their service?
You act like this lip service isnt genuine. I dont like that theres someone getting raped somewhere in the world right now. I want it to stop. Why does admitting that.... mean I'm faking it?
Do you not believe that I care about that person being raped? Because I can tell you for 100 percent certainty I do. If it was my mother being raped I would fly down there and kill the bastard. But I have different degrees of care.... and I recognize the impossibility of caring for all mankind the same way I care for my mother.
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Buster_Brown said: I don't think the condition is that black & white. One can be discomfited by the thought and act accordingly if an opportunity arose. Time is the essence in determining lip-service; a quarter in a beggar's cup = care, and I suppose a fist shaken in defiance = distress.
I agree with all that. But in either case, isn't it best to let it go if there's no action (or further action) to be had? And likewise, if there's always something horrible going on in the world, should we always feel horrible? It's called the weight of the world. Contemplation of it is worth doing. Maybe one finds direction in doing so. I think this is especially true for younger people. But eventually one figures out the nature of the world is suffering. One doesn't make the world a better place by providing care it's just makes it the same as it is. That's built into our nature just as much as our propensity to cause suffering and we can only wax philosophical about how the world would be if people cared less or cared more.
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Re: Society is so weird [Re: Rahz]
#26715199 - 06/02/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank god for hot-heads like the one above you whom we can count on to add fuel to the fire by means of a plaintive cry.
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I dont like that theres someone getting raped somewhere in the world right now. I want it to stop. Why does admitting that.... mean I'm faking it?
It's not faking, but is it really care? Semantic trick of course. There are two definitions. One is more explicitly a verb. It's the one that might actually do someone some good. The other is your own internal suffering. So the question is, how much sleep will you loose knowing someone somewhere is getting raped? People put things like this out of their mind so they can sleep. Out of mind, out of sight. Saying you can't sleep at night because someone somewhere is getting raped is probably lip service/exaggeration, though I guess it all factors into our general unease at being human.
I do put the fruit of my effort into doing my little part at reducing suffering. There are a multitude of other sufferings I do nothing about. Why care, if care is only suffering? That is the point I'm trying to get at.
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Buster_Brown said: Thank god for hot-heads like the one above you whom we can count on to add fuel to the fire by means of a plaintive cry.
You really shouldnt blanket judge people. I've worked all over the world as a social worker and first responder medic / security helping at risk communities.
I dont let shit happen around me that aint right. And I shoulder any pain and grief that I can shield others from if possible. Thats what I bring to the table.
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The hot-headed emotionally driven rioters (blanket judgment) will argue their position, and when all is said and done some will have killed to stop what "aint right". Yeah, we celebrate emotional orgies of killing by thanking military vet's for their service, and that's what people think is the right attitude to teach the young.
Another perspective might thank the Lord for the entertainment.
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Oldnameforgotten
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Buster_Brown said: The hot-headed emotionally driven rioters (blanket judgment) will argue their position, and when all is said and done some will have killed to stop what "aint right". Yeah, we celebrate emotional orgies of killing by thanking military vet's for their service, and that's what people think is the right attitude to teach the young.
Another perspective might thank the Lord for the entertainment.
I love this argument that we shouldnt use emotion as a factor in our choices. Like some how our emotion is this childish thing.
Should we act just like robots? Cull anyone not productive? Force people into the most minimal living conditions that they could still be productive inside of and not rebel?
What is the reason not to do those things if NOT emotion?
What you want is impossible. You want all protesters around the country in the millions to protest with signs and not a single one of them do anything illegal in the process. You also want 0 people who arent protesters to take advantage of the situation and do illegal things.
And personally.... I'm cool with a lot of the illegal things. I think blocking a major highway is an excellent way to get your point across. Personally I hope this BLM protest extends to imprisoning these corrupt politicians who disgrace my fucking country. I hope we get full on fucking change.
We wont though. Itll die down. They'll be insulted. Be convinced to shutup and take what they are given. And life will go on.
But in the end there is the ultimate truth: Nothing fucking matters. I get pleasure in helping people around me. I think about the positive ripples that will be sent off into the world that I will never get to witness. And thats enough for me.
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Everything about it blows my mind. What are we all doing? I mean for fucking real. I feel disconnected from reality most of the time. Not in necessarily a bad way but I just don’t give a fuck about anything anymore. This shit is pathetic and I know I’m not the only one going through it. Somethings gotta give.
How many people do you feel intimately close to?
Do you have some high quality relationships?
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Not really. I thought I did but over the past couple years we seemed to have grown apart.
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Rahz said: I don't care about the world. There are (insert your tragic happening) somewhere every day. What is the point in caring if one cannot make a difference? It's just wasted feelings and effort, worry, fear, time. ——————— Quote:
What are we all doing? ———————
Trying to satisfy our fear and greed and loneliness. It has always been so. Always will be.
Why care? And if one has no good reason to care, why feel bad about not caring? I'm not saying don't care at all. Choose your battles wisely.
- - - - - - - - - It's true that in a world of 7+ billion people somewhere, somebody is bleeding out from a gunshot wound. Someone is dying of starvation, disease, cancer. Someone is getting their toes, feet or legs amputated from their diabetes. Someone is dying from the covid. Some woman is getting their ass beat by a drunk man. Babies are being neglected and abused. That's just the tip of the list.
Do you "care" about all those people? If you say yes, I'd say it's just lip service to make yourself feel good. Care is an action word, not some feels. Otherwise, it's just a way of externalizing one's own pain. Now ain't that negative?
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Choosing to involve one's self in a forum involves some responsibility to one's self and the other participants, or at least it can, maybe should, but I can't directly answer your question. He can. I guess it depends on how stoic he is. Albeit over the internet it's a direct correspondence which is different than talking about how you feel bad about such and such situation, but do nothing about it.
More to the point, do you care about homeless people? If yes, what have you done about it? Donated? Offered a bed? Delivered food or worked in a soup kitchen? That would be caring. Feeling bad about something isn't really care. So why "care"? To satisfy one's own moral obligation to feel bad? Makes no sense. If you don't really care for homeless people that's fine. You have a finite amount of resources, effort, influence. You direct it how you see fit.
I don't care about homeless people. Simple statement of fact as evidenced by my actions. - - - - - I agree with all that. But in either case, isn't it best to let it go if there's no action (or further action) to be had? And likewise, if there's always something horrible going on in the world, should we always feel horrible? It's called the weight of the world. Contemplation of it is worth doing. Maybe one finds direction in doing so. I think this is especially true for younger people. But eventually one figures out the nature of the world is suffering. One doesn't make the world a better place by providing care it's just makes it the same as it is. That's built into our nature just as much as our propensity to cause suffering and we can only wax philosophical about how the world would be if people cared less or cared more. ——————————————— Quote:
I dont like that theres someone getting raped somewhere in the world right now. I want it to stop. Why does admitting that.... mean I'm faking it? ——————————————————
It's not faking, but is it really care? Semantic trick of course. There are two definitions. One is more explicitly a verb. It's the one that might actually do someone some good. The other is your own internal suffering. So the question is, how much sleep will you loose knowing someone somewhere is getting raped? People put things like this out of their mind so they can sleep. Out of mind, out of sight. Saying you can't sleep at night because someone somewhere is getting raped is probably lip service/exaggeration, though I guess it all factors into our general unease at being human.
I do put the fruit of my effort into doing my little part at reducing suffering. There are a multitude of other sufferings I do nothing about. Why care, if care is only suffering? That is the point I'm trying to get at.
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. Rahz you assume folks can handle honesty... (Often seems doubtful......Especially if it has a sharp edge)
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Oldnameforgotten said: ...But in the end there is the ultimate truth: Nothing fucking matters. I get pleasure in helping people around me. I think about the positive ripples that will be sent off into the world that I will never get to witness. And thats enough for me.
Along the lines of Oldnameforgotten’s slightly softer tone:
there is tonglen meditation https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tonglen+meditation&t=hk&ia=web
for starters, a short excerpt, (but if interested the links below have much more detailed information):
"How to Practice Tonglen BY PEMA CHÖDRÖN| MAY 20, 2020
Pema Chödrön teaches us “sending and taking,” an ancient Buddhist practice to awaken compassion. With each in-breath, we take in others’ pain. With each out-breath, we send them relief.
Tonglen practice, also known as “taking and sending,” reverses our usual logic of avoiding suffering and seeking pleasure. In tonglen practice, we visualize taking in the pain of others with every in-breath and sending out whatever will benefit them on the out-breath. In the process, we become liberated from age- old patterns of selfishness. We begin to feel love for both ourselves and others; we begin to take care of ourselves and others.
Tonglen awakens our compassion and introduces us to a far bigger view of reality. It introduces us to the unlimited spaciousness of shunyata (emptiness). By doing the practice, we begin to connect with the open dimension of our being.
Tonglen can be done for those who are ill, those who are dying or have died, or those who are in pain of any kind. It can be done as a formal meditation practice or right on the spot at any time. If we are out walking and we see someone in pain, we can breathe in that person’s pain and send out relief to them."
. It is not about proclaiming to others that one cares, while doing nothing, but also avoids harding one's heart, repressing feeling.
again, if interested the links have much more detailed information. Everyone's or anyone's MWV.
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pema is pretty good.
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Rahz
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Rahz you assume folks can handle honesty...
You assume that I assume 
Some will find a way to deal with such negative feelings in a positive way. It has been written a million times but a person must come to it on their own, maybe with some help along the way. Being that we cannot affect all of the ills we perceive, there needs to be a sublimation of that "grief for the world" into something that will make us more effective in the tasks we do involve ourselves in.
It is not all cut and dry, but when it becomes clear that one is not omnipotent one should look inward and see about fixing ones self, and not care about the world in the sense that one has tender hurtful emotions about everything.
There are fine details regarding gender, so I don't disrespect such attitudes, nor are they foreign to me but I think there is a balance which is needed to be whole.
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