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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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But why are you trying to incite violence?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26712724 - 06/01/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Having an american flag is the height of arrogance?
in america.
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Something tells me you have no idea about how statistics actually work.
They commit about half the murders at 13% of the population
Yeah, the crime statistics aren't that difficult to understand, it's just not a comfortable subject matter when it comes to the race component to those statistics.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26712728 - 06/01/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: There's a huge lack of street smarts displayed here at times.
It's. A. Fucking. Mob.
Do. Not. Antagonize. A. Mob.
I seriously cannot make it any clearer than that, and if you still don't get it, then you clearly don't go out enough.
I get it, but does it make it justifiable in your opinion? The Flag does represent the Constitution, and that Constitution is what enables them to protest their government.
That Constitution also enables them to protest and be armed at the same time. Maybe they're not aware of that right.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
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specialpeopleclub said: Having an american flag is the height of arrogance?
If you went up to a bees nest, stuck your hand into it and pulled it out covered in honey, and then stood there licking it off, would you think the bees were unreasonable for stinging you?
Probably, cause this 'murica right? You'd probably find and jump to some kind of statistics that told you about how those bees are just, like.. really bad bees, man.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
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What exactly was he doing in your opinion? The protesters don't want to go down the road of attacking people for holding the flag, do they?
They did that a long time ago before the current riots.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
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What exactly was he doing in your opinion? The protesters don't want to go down the road of attacking people for holding the flag, do they?
They did that a long time ago before the current riots.
They don't want a war with conservative white America, it wouldn't end very well.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
#26712733 - 06/01/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said: I get it, but does it make it justifiable in your opinion? The Flag does represent the Constitution, and that Constitution is what enables them to protest their government.
That Constitution also enables them to protest and be armed at the same time. Maybe they're not aware of that right.
Get the fuck outa my face with that constitution bullshit.
Your precious constitution will not protect any man from nature.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
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They don't want a war with conservative white America, it wouldn't end very well.
No, it wouldn’t.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
#26712737 - 06/01/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: There's a huge lack of street smarts displayed here at times.
It's. A. Fucking. Mob.
Do. Not. Antagonize. A. Mob.
I seriously cannot make it any clearer than that, and if you still don't get it, then you clearly don't go out enough.
That makes sense. I cant argue
Someone has to stand up to them though. We cant let people that hate us, of any race, ruin the nation
want a war with conservative white America, it wouldn't end very well[/image] Arent most of these burning cities democrat?
We need this to happen. Leftists are children. They need to be controlled so they dont destroy everything like the cities they control.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26712739 - 06/01/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said: I get it, but does it make it justifiable in your opinion? The Flag does represent the Constitution, and that Constitution is what enables them to protest their government.
That Constitution also enables them to protest and be armed at the same time. Maybe they're not aware of that right.
Get the fuck outa my face with that constitution bullshit.
Your precious constitution will not protect any man from nature.
Yeah, but it's better than not. Many countries aren't as tolerate when it comes to protesting and having their citizens armed. So go ahead and minimize it and see what happens if it didn't exist in the US.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: qman]
#26712743 - 06/01/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26712744 - 06/01/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Having an american flag is the height of arrogance?
in america.
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Something tells me you have no idea about how statistics actually work.
They commit about half the murders at 13% of the population
And white men are disproportionately responsible for mass shootings in the last 25 years. What's to be said for that? Oh look! I can cherry pick em too!
You don't think that multi generational poverty, mass incarceration(which again disproportionately effects black people), and systemic racism doesn't cause these things?
What does this have to do with police brutality?
What does this have to do with your claim that it's 'the whites that are the victims' and 'the blacks hate us' - while also simultaneously being a black on black crime problem. What are you getting at?
Fucking nothing. Racism. That's all.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26712751 - 06/01/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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No one gets to pretend that this rebellion doesn't have clear demands anymore.
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NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
1. Create an independent inspector body to investigate police misconduct and criminal allegations and controls evidence like body camera footage. Any use of lethal force shall trigger an automatic investigation by this body.
2. Create a requirement for states to establish board certification with minimum education and training requirements to provide licensing for police. In order to be a law enforcement officer, you must possess this license. The inspector body in #1 can revoke the license.
3. Refocus police resources on training, de-escalation, and community building.
4. Adopt the “absolute necessity” doctrine for lethal force as implemented in other states. "I feared for my life" is no longer a valid excuse.
5. Codify into law the requirement for police to have positive control over the evidence chain of custody. If the chain of custody is lost for evidence, the investigative body in #1 can hold law enforcement officers and their agencies liable.
These 5 demands are the minimum necessary for trust in our police to return. Until these are implemented by our state governors, legislators, DAs, and judges we will not rest or be satisfied. We will no longer stand by and watch our brothers and sisters be oppressed by those who are meant to protect us.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26712762 - 06/01/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It depends on how you define mass-shooting, kind of. What about gang killings? Lots of ignored 'mass shootings' there.
The numbers overall are not on black's side.
They are disproportionately incarserated bacause they commit more crime.
Lots of white people have generational poverty. Their problems arent unique, and to level your percieved troubles against mine as more important by-definition, for social leverage, is arrogant and presumptuous.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26712764 - 06/01/20 11:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The black community was specifically disadvantaged by the American government which makes them directly responsible for the reaction of the communities they claim to lead. I'm reminded of something I heard that dickhead Crowder say recently, "The government's job is to protect us." Well no fucking shit, what else could people be so mad about? 
Classism at its finest.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#26712766 - 06/01/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course, I would take things a step further:
Disarm and abolish the police.
As long as police have weapons and impunity, they will go on killing us. All of our efforts have only made a dent in their impunity; it’s time to go all the way. Only when the highway patrol cannot end our lives during a routine traffic stop will the terror that so many of us feel every time we see blue lights flashing begin to ease. Only when no group of uniformed thugs feels entitled to pin anyone to the ground and ignore his pleas will all of us be free from the threat of becoming the next George Floyd.
Once police are disarmed, it will become clear to everyone how useless they are at the things we think we need them for. When mentally ill people act in ways that seem erratic to others, we need counselors and advocates, not armed gunmen. When romantic partners and neighbors have conflicts, we need people with conflict resolution and de-escalation skills, not violent escalators enforcing a patriarchal agenda. When kids need traffic directed so they can cross the street, we need friendly elders and neighbors who know them, not people toting lethal weapons who have little experience working with children. When we lose things or find things, we need a community center to exchange them, not a precinct. When our cars break down by the side of the road, we need a community of Good Samaritans, not a mercenary looking to write us a ticket. The majority of what the police do is harmful and should be immediately eliminated to make us all safer; much of the rest could be done much better by skilled, unarmed volunteers of good will.
As an institution, policing itself is violent and oppressive to the core. The thousands of murders individual officers perpetrate are just the tip of the iceberg. How can we measure the daily anxiety, the acute terror, the petty humiliations, the impact of family members being kidnapped and shaken down that so many people experience every time they must engage with infuriating arrogance grinning from behind a badge? From their origin in slave patrols to today’s high-tech spy drones and predictive policing algorithms, police have never existed to protect us.
It’s not a question of bad apples. The entire barrel is rotten.
Promote collective self-defense.
The chant “Who keeps us safe? We keep us safe!” is more than a slogan—it’s a necessity. There is no safety we can count on that is not built on our trust and relationships with each other. To be certain of our safety, we must be able to define for ourselves what risks we face and how to address them together.
Critics argue that it’s naïve to talk about disarming and abolishing the police, citing the aggression and chaos we will supposedly unleash on each other without the violence of the thin blue line to keep us in check. But what’s truly naïve is to continue believing that an institution responsible for killing a thousand people every year is somehow keeping us safe.
Collective self-defense will not be easy, but it’s our only hope. It will mean organizing to prevent the violence of the far right—of those encouraged by Trump to shoot looters and by state governments to run over protestors. It will mean taking responsibility for developing new skills in conflict resolution and new structures for rapid response in times of crisis. The indications that Minneapolis gangs are organizing a truce to collaborate on protecting protestors from far-right violence are encouraging. We will need all of our courage and creativity to develop new approaches that value and protect all of us, rather than sacrificing millions of us to be caged or killed in order to secure the safety and property of some.
Share resources freely through mutual aid.
Want to prevent looting? Ensure that everyone has housing, enough to eat, and enough resources to live a dignified life. When they don’t, who can blame them for taking out their rage against those who stand between them and the resources they need?
In Minneapolis, local communities are establishing supply depots where resources redistributed during the riots can be freely shared, both to support the protests and to enable neighbors to live. The COVID-19 crisis has popularized mutual aid networks; the riots are taking them to the next level. The police exist to ensure that resources are distributed not according to need, but according to an archaic system of property rights that benefits those who hoard them for themselves rather than sharing them. The protestors have turned this upside down. Contrary to critics who see looters of a Target as “destroying their own community,” it’s more accurate to say that they have transformed an institution that existed to siphon profits out of their neighborhood to outside investors into a project that actually serves their immediate material needs. Destroying the barriers that separate our communities from the resources we need is one of the most crucial things we can do to transform our society. Abolishing the police is a step towards accomplishing this, while ending the killings they perpetrate.
Delegitimize and disempower all the institutions that excuse police murder.
One of the reasons why cops get away with murder so often is that the Supreme Court has interpreted laws to grant police “qualified immunity” for killing people—which has happened in over half of the cases that reached appellate courts in the past five years. Why should an unrepentant rapist and his cronies be in the position to authorize cops to kill us whenever they see fit? For that matter, why should they be able to determine whether we can have abortions, or how we can organize unions, or the limits of indigenous sovereignty, or anything else?
The persistence of police murder is just one of the risks we engender by relinquishing our power to nine black-robed figures. To ensure our freedom, we must take back our self-determination from the clutches of the courts.
The more we can delegitimize the authority of Supreme Courts to shape our lives, and the more powerful and creative we can make our alternatives, the less we will have to fear from the Trumps and Kavanaughs of the world. Let’s build a society that enables everyone to engage in genuine self-determination—in which no man can decide what all of us may do with our bodies—in which no state can take away our power to shape our future.
While we’re at it, what about those politicians? If electing new officials can’t stop the police from killing us, what good are they? If we really want to secure our future against the arbitrary power of the authorities, we can’t go half way. As we organize in our neighborhoods to share and distribute resources, let’s lay the groundwork for a new grassroots form of political organization that can exercise power directly without need for representatives. Inspired by the council system in the Kurdish territories of Rojava, the assemblies of the Greek anarchist movement, the student strikes in Montréal, and many other examples, we can build a new world from the bottom up, without politicians at the top to boss us around.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: shivas.wisdom] 3
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It's really sad that this has to be said
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26712818 - 06/02/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: No one gets to pretend that this rebellion doesn't have clear demands anymore.
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NO JUSTICE NO PEACE
1. Create an independent inspector body to investigate police misconduct and criminal allegations and controls evidence like body camera footage. Any use of lethal force shall trigger an automatic investigation by this body.
2. Create a requirement for states to establish board certification with minimum education and training requirements to provide licensing for police. In order to be a law enforcement officer, you must possess this license. The inspector body in #1 can revoke the license.
3. Refocus police resources on training, de-escalation, and community building.
4. Adopt the “absolute necessity” doctrine for lethal force as implemented in other states. "I feared for my life" is no longer a valid excuse.
5. Codify into law the requirement for police to have positive control over the evidence chain of custody. If the chain of custody is lost for evidence, the investigative body in #1 can hold law enforcement officers and their agencies liable.
These 5 demands are the minimum necessary for trust in our police to return. Until these are implemented by our state governors, legislators, DAs, and judges we will not rest or be satisfied. We will no longer stand by and watch our brothers and sisters be oppressed by those who are meant to protect us.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: pirate-blues] 2
#26712820 - 06/02/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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being pro white is considered anti black, so being pro black is anti white.
Could a white person ask what a candidate wouod do for their community like that obnoxiously named person asked biden recently?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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