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OfflineO_Dweeds
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Beginning of the Fall of Rome
    #26711660 - 06/01/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

When the Romans poisoned themselves with aqueducts made of lead did this begin the irrational thinking that lead to the collapse of the Roman Empire?

Do you believe that Fluoride is America's lead?


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26711668 - 06/01/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I buy gallons of spring water to drink. It's only like an extra $30 a month. Personally I'm not OK with what's in the tap water.


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: Fiery]
    #26711688 - 06/01/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Same here, I've been saying this since I could speak. This is the root of so much damage to the pineal gland, leading to all the irrational thinking, irrational behavior, and so many diseases people are put through.

Reverse osmosis or distilled water for me!


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: Fiery]
    #26711693 - 06/01/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fiery said:
I buy gallons of spring water to drink. It's only like an extra $30 a month. Personally I'm not OK with what's in the tap water.



Have you sent that water you buy to a lab for analysis? How do you know what is in it exactly?


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26711713 - 06/01/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fiery said:
I buy gallons of spring water to drink. It's only like an extra $30 a month. Personally I'm not OK with what's in the tap water.



Have you sent that water you buy to a lab for analysis? How do you know what is in it exactly?




No, but it's processed by micron filtration and reverse osmosis. So there could be some bad stuff in it, but these major companies like Deer Park and Geyser spring test for toxins and the chances are really low



It might not be the best, but it's dang safer than tap water!


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26711717 - 06/01/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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O_Dweeds said:
Same here, I've been saying this since I could speak. This is the root of so much damage to the pineal gland, leading to all the irrational thinking, irrational behavior, and so many diseases people are put through.

Reverse osmosis or distilled water for me!



That’s not it at all, fluoride in the water doesn’t cause any adverse health effects and is responsible for tooth health. It quite frankly one of the few good ideas America had.

Rome fell due to a number of different factors not just lead in the water. Every empire runs its course and no one can hold onto power forever. Civil strife, unrest, disease, resources, etc. The causes are numerous.

If anything our greatly underfunded education system is going to be the end. We spend too much on the military and not enough on the education and resources needed to help others. America has the wrong priorities and they will pay for it when they run out of people who can’t fulfill the increasing demand for jobs in technology because they decided their guns were more important than a basic education needed for this changing world.


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: Brahmastra]
    #26711779 - 06/01/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Brahmastra said:
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O_Dweeds said:
Same here, I've been saying this since I could speak. This is the root of so much damage to the pineal gland, leading to all the irrational thinking, irrational behavior, and so many diseases people are put through.

Reverse osmosis or distilled water for me!



That’s not it at all, fluoride in the water doesn’t cause any adverse health effects and is responsible for tooth health. It quite frankly one of the few good ideas America had.

Rome fell due to a number of different factors not just lead in the water. Every empire runs its course and no one can hold onto power forever. Civil strife, unrest, disease, resources, etc. The causes are numerous.

If anything our greatly underfunded education system is going to be the end. We spend too much on the military and not enough on the education and resources needed to help others. America has the wrong priorities and they will pay for it when they run out of people who can’t fulfill the increasing demand for jobs in technology because they decided their guns were more important than a basic education needed for this changing world.




Lead was in no way the fall of Rome, I only stared the discussion if others believed Lead poisoning from their own aqueducts pushed them on the irrational path that brought them down.

Fluoride is a terrible choice to put into humans. The only reason the choice was initially made by the ADA to do so was when corporations were taken to court over the countless barrels of fluoride produced as byproduct by the manufacturing industry that were being dumped into the oceans that they had to come up with a new dump site.
It also happens to do wonders at making the average person slow way down with critically thinking for themselves, lower IQ, ect. This is long ago proven fact.

I completely agree on the education system, ignorance is always the root of all evil. Public education curriculum has long erased the teaching of infinite math and science that brings freedom, health, and would eliminate the current Debt/Slavery system with simple logic. The financial hole many are put into attaining their educational degree has become ridiculous.

An empire, group, ect never has and never will have complete control; it is when one believes that they have total control and/or unwilling to pass the torch that they lose the little control they had. It takes everyone who is participating to believe in it in order for everything to both take and remain in place.

Yes the spending is outrageously excessive however nothing is worth its weight if you cannot protect it at all costs.

Never have and never will agree with the forced choice method. You have to be shown everything to make the correct choice for yourself. Putting someone in the dark and forcing choice is taking away their very right to make the right choice and live.


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Our word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
Gregg Allman


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26711786 - 06/01/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Silly kine,

Any Kindred within her right mind knows the fall of Rome was purely the fault of the Malkavians.


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: SARAtonin]
    #26711796 - 06/01/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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SARAtonin said:
Silly kine,

Any Kindred within her right mind knows the fall of Rome was purely the fault of the Malkavians.





Always another angle to view from. Care to elaborate on your reasoning why this was, more than the others, the primary reason for the collapse of Rome?


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Our word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26711853 - 06/01/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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O_Dweeds said:
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Brahmastra said:
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O_Dweeds said:
Same here, I've been saying this since I could speak. This is the root of so much damage to the pineal gland, leading to all the irrational thinking, irrational behavior, and so many diseases people are put through.

Reverse osmosis or distilled water for me!



That’s not it at all, fluoride in the water doesn’t cause any adverse health effects and is responsible for tooth health. It quite frankly one of the few good ideas America had.

Rome fell due to a number of different factors not just lead in the water. Every empire runs its course and no one can hold onto power forever. Civil strife, unrest, disease, resources, etc. The causes are numerous.

If anything our greatly underfunded education system is going to be the end. We spend too much on the military and not enough on the education and resources needed to help others. America has the wrong priorities and they will pay for it when they run out of people who can’t fulfill the increasing demand for jobs in technology because they decided their guns were more important than a basic education needed for this changing world.




Lead was in no way the fall of Rome, I only stared the discussion if others believed Lead poisoning from their own aqueducts pushed them on the irrational path that brought them down.

Fluoride is a terrible choice to put into humans. The only reason the choice was initially made by the ADA to do so was when corporations were taken to court over the countless barrels of fluoride produced as byproduct by the manufacturing industry that were being dumped into the oceans that they had to come up with a new dump site.
It also happens to do wonders at making the average person slow way down with critically thinking for themselves, lower IQ, ect. This is long ago proven fact.

I completely agree on the education system, ignorance is always the root of all evil. Public education curriculum has long erased the teaching of infinite math and science that brings freedom, health, and would eliminate the current Debt/Slavery system with simple logic. The financial hole many are put into attaining their educational degree has become ridiculous.

An empire, group, ect never has and never will have complete control; it is when one believes that they have total control and/or unwilling to pass the torch that they lose the little control they had. It takes everyone who is participating to believe in it in order for everything to both take and remain in place.

Yes the spending is outrageously excessive however nothing is worth its weight if you cannot protect it at all costs.

Never have and never will agree with the forced choice method. You have to be shown everything to make the correct choice for yourself. Putting someone in the dark and forcing choice is taking away their very right to make the right choice and live.



That’s not why fluoride is put into the water. It was done because it was the cheapest way for the government to provide dental care for all rather than ACTUAL health care like the Scandinavian countries. The studies that show those effects are for fluoride POISONING, aka at levels much much higher than ordinary drinking water. The dose makes the poison and all that. Apples have cyanide in them but at a level that is so tiny you would have to eat more than a truckload in one sitting to be poisoned. Everything you said has been throughly shown to not be true.

The military spending is egregious because it’s how America maintains its business interests abroad. It’s not for protection, that’s a lie. It’s so we can interfer with other countries when their interests begin to clash with us.


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: Brahmastra]
    #26711882 - 06/01/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

This was a nice narrative written when it took place, but trust me when I say Money and only Money, is at the heart of a decision of this magnitude. Accidental kindness is still kindness, but do not mistake what really took place at the heart of it.

As for the Military it is too big to not be both; it has to probe for weaknesses in other competitors to continue to strengthen itself.


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Our word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
Gregg Allman


Edited by O_Dweeds (06/01/20 04:50 PM)


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26711948 - 06/01/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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O_Dweeds said:
This was a nice narrative written when it took place, but trust me when I say Money and only Money, is at the heart of a decision of this magnitude. Accidental kindness is still kindness, but do not mistake what really took place at the heart of it.

As for the Military it is too big to not be both; it has to probe for weaknesses in other competitors to continue to strengthen itself.



I can promise there is no narrative, the reason for it is quite mundane. The US is too cheap to do anything else for dental care. There is no “heart of it”, I don’t know what else I can say.


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26712008 - 06/01/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: Brahmastra]
    #26712116 - 06/01/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've been provided with great care and all the benefits have been provided entirely by the state through federal tax money. Living it  :shrug:

And yes, control of money, both for better and for worse, is at the heart of government.


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Our word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
Gregg Allman


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26712133 - 06/01/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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O_Dweeds said:
I've been provided with great care and all the benefits have been provided entirely by the state through federal tax money. Living it  :shrug:

And yes, control of money, both for better and for worse, is at the heart of government.



Perhaps, but that’s not the reason behind water fluoridation


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: Fiery]
    #26713227 - 06/02/20 07:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Fiery said:
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tyrannicalrex said:
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Fiery said:
I buy gallons of spring water to drink. It's only like an extra $30 a month. Personally I'm not OK with what's in the tap water.



Have you sent that water you buy to a lab for analysis? How do you know what is in it exactly?




No, but it's processed by micron filtration and reverse osmosis. So there could be some bad stuff in it, but these major companies like Deer Park and Geyser spring test for toxins and the chances are really low



It might not be the best, but it's dang safer than tap water!



Well, if you believe what they print, and you completely trust that company and it's words, then yeah, I guess so. BUT, until YOU send it to a lab and they tell you exactly what's in it compared to a tap water sample, you don't really know do you?


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Re: Beginning of the Fall of Rome [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26713238 - 06/02/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think lead is America's lead :shrug:.



Only decided to take it out of all those products within the last few decades, and it's still been leeching into our water supply ever since so..:shrug:


Either way probably a good choice on the spring water. The city I live in has great water(to the point where people are oddly proud of it), but it's also older than the US itself so...yeah. Idk that the Brita filter I have on the tap is quite enough, but :shrug:


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