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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: feevers]
    #26710963 - 06/01/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The top 50 highest paid cops in Boston all make over $280,000 each. Most of the rest make well into the 6 figures, they're better paid than dentists and lawyers. The highest paid detective makes over $400,000... a cop makes more than the US president.

The police union in many places is so strong that realistically there will never be systemic changes to policing, and it's political suicide for politicians to even attempt reform. Cops stormed the Boston statehouse and politicians received death threats when the state was trying to pass a law to allow civilians instead of cops making $80/hr to do traffic and construction details. Many cops make over 50k on detail overtime alone, just sitting in their cruiser on their phones at construction sites. Even a 30 minute detail pays out at a minimum of 4 hours.

One positive of protests like this is that they at least let cops know that they won't always get away with their bullshit, and aren't completely immune to consequences. It at least puts a second thought in some cops minds before pulling the trigger or whatever, although the videos of police brutality we've seen from the protests show that many cops will just never get the memo... or care.




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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman]
    #26710980 - 06/01/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/biden-vice-president-susan-rice/612115/

Guys, it's not our fault, the Russians are responsible for it.  :facepalm:






I have no doubt that the Russians are probably pulling some puppet strings on social media. Da comrade, they always are.


And racism in America is an issue they've been looking to exploit and stoke the fire of for decades, all the way back to the cold war.

https://qz.com/1495383/a-racial-history-of-russian-meddling-in-us-politics/

It's pretty fascinating honestly.



Doesn't mean we have no hand or blame in this, but I do not doubt that there are outside interests that are trying to manipulate the situation as best as they can from afar simply because there almost always are regardless of the issue. How effective they are? Who knows. The dust has to settle a bit more.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26711023 - 06/01/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
Quote:

qman said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/biden-vice-president-susan-rice/612115/

Guys, it's not our fault, the Russians are responsible for it.  :facepalm:






I have no doubt that the Russians are probably pulling some puppet strings on social media. Da comrade, they always are.


And racism in America is an issue they've been looking to exploit and stoke the fire of for decades, all the way back to the cold war.

https://qz.com/1495383/a-racial-history-of-russian-meddling-in-us-politics/

It's pretty fascinating honestly.



Doesn't mean we have no hand or blame in this, but I do not doubt that there are outside interests that are trying to manipulate the situation as best as they can from afar simply because there almost always are regardless of the issue. How effective they are? Who knows. The dust has to settle a bit more.




It's completely irresponsible to suggest Russia can manipulate the US public to protest in the streets. Russians didn't create the murder of Lloyd, they didn't create the outrage, they didn't start the protests. US citizens are fully capable of protesting across their nation for their own good reasons with their own free will.

Even if Russians posted on social media to incite US citizens, that does NOT mean they have any real influence. That's a claim that needs to be backed with evidence. Just like the 2016 election, there was zero evidence of Russian interference.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] * 1
    #26711026 - 06/01/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] * 1
    #26711029 - 06/01/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

pirate-blues said:
Quote:

qman said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/biden-vice-president-susan-rice/612115/

Guys, it's not our fault, the Russians are responsible for it.  :facepalm:






I have no doubt that the Russians are probably pulling some puppet strings on social media. Da comrade, they always are.


And racism in America is an issue they've been looking to exploit and stoke the fire of for decades, all the way back to the cold war.

https://qz.com/1495383/a-racial-history-of-russian-meddling-in-us-politics/

It's pretty fascinating honestly.



Doesn't mean we have no hand or blame in this, but I do not doubt that there are outside interests that are trying to manipulate the situation as best as they can from afar simply because there almost always are regardless of the issue. How effective they are? Who knows. The dust has to settle a bit more.




It's completely irresponsible to suggest Russia can manipulate the US public to protest in the streets. Russians didn't create the murder of Lloyd, they didn't create the outrage, they didn't start the protests. US citizens are fully capable of protesting across their nation for their own good reasons with their own free will.

Even if Russians posted on social media to incite US citizens, that does NOT mean they have any real influence. That's a claim that needs to be backed with evidence. Just like the 2016 election, there was zero evidence of Russian interference.






https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf


If you can't have this discussion in good faith, there's no point in continuing.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 3
    #26711044 - 06/01/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Any Nation that’s worth their salt, and seeks to subjugate or destroy the US - are fanning the flames 🔥 & goading All sides of this thing.
Via any and all means available that can be more or less gotten away with.  Anyone who knows the first thing about politics & global affairs should know this.  At the highest levels where military & politics coalesce - they are always at war in some shape or form - like a never ending game of Chess.  If you think it’s not happening to the US, or that only the US does it - or doesn’t , you are a naive citizen.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26711046 - 06/01/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For sure. Extremism is the name of the game, doesn't matter what breed.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26711076 - 06/01/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

If there is some government fanning the flames then it could just as well be the US government. Inciting riots to create political upheaval is old news, agent provocateurs. This goes back at least hundreds of years and it's been heavily documented even in this current century. In the military they call them hearders. You know, like sheep. There are videos circulating implicating police even in these current events. The important thing is for people to keep level-headed and have their eyes on the prize rather than some infantile expression.

Actually iirc they did this shit as far back as rome


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: sui]
    #26711079 - 06/01/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It's pretty common for cops in new Jersey to make 6 figures with 5-10 years experience as a base salary alot of cops here make can make a quarter million dollars in overtime.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26711088 - 06/01/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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pirate-blues said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

pirate-blues said:
Quote:

qman said:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/biden-vice-president-susan-rice/612115/

Guys, it's not our fault, the Russians are responsible for it.  :facepalm:






I have no doubt that the Russians are probably pulling some puppet strings on social media. Da comrade, they always are.


And racism in America is an issue they've been looking to exploit and stoke the fire of for decades, all the way back to the cold war.

https://qz.com/1495383/a-racial-history-of-russian-meddling-in-us-politics/

It's pretty fascinating honestly.



Doesn't mean we have no hand or blame in this, but I do not doubt that there are outside interests that are trying to manipulate the situation as best as they can from afar simply because there almost always are regardless of the issue. How effective they are? Who knows. The dust has to settle a bit more.




It's completely irresponsible to suggest Russia can manipulate the US public to protest in the streets. Russians didn't create the murder of Lloyd, they didn't create the outrage, they didn't start the protests. US citizens are fully capable of protesting across their nation for their own good reasons with their own free will.

Even if Russians posted on social media to incite US citizens, that does NOT mean they have any real influence. That's a claim that needs to be backed with evidence. Just like the 2016 election, there was zero evidence of Russian interference.






https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf


If you can't have this discussion in good faith, there's no point in continuing.




The point is, if someone can't quantify the "interference" there's really no point of a discussion at all. Any posts on the internet can "influence" others and "interfere" with behavior. Do you go around thinking your posts on this site interfere in the outcome of the protests? 

The term "interference" was constantly used with Russia, but never quantified. Nothing operates in a vacuum, therefore everything is open to interference. The point is, how much and is it measurable.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman]
    #26711092 - 06/01/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

dude they planned and organized a protest from russia and 5000 people actually showed up.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: sui]
    #26711098 - 06/01/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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https://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook



That article is from 2017. Did you purposefully intend to make it appear to be from
these current protests?


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 3
    #26711099 - 06/01/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You're fucking up good and proper as "the world's #1" if the Government of Uganda implores you to adhere to human rights and urges its citizens in America to restrict unnecessary travel to avoid the racist violence.




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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: sui]
    #26711101 - 06/01/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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dude they planned and organized a protest from russia and 5000 people actually showed up.




Which isn't hard to do given the circumstances, correct?  The point is, the circumstances were already there and protests are inevitable.  Nobody can create the motivations to hit the streets, that's decades of US history in the making.

BTW, any link to that assertion?


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman]
    #26711102 - 06/01/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

He provided a link, see my comment above


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Asante] * 4
    #26711103 - 06/01/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

A Ugandan Pm or Pres from a while back declared Iboga/ibogaine to be a National treasure.

:manofapproval:


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26711106 - 06/01/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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He provided a link, see my comment above




OK, just a bunch of nonsense.


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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26711108 - 06/01/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26711111 - 06/01/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If there is some government fanning the flames then it could just as well be the US government. Inciting riots to create political upheaval is old news, agent provocateurs. This goes back at least hundreds of years and it's been heavily documented even in this current century. In the military they call them hearders. You know, like sheep. There are videos circulating implicating police even in these current events. The important thing is for people to keep level-headed and have their eyes on the prize rather than some infantile expression.

Actually iirc they did this shit as far back as rome







Same shit different day? :shrug:




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A Ugandan Pm or Pres from a while back declared Iboga/ibogaine to be a National treasure.

:manofapproval:





That's awesome. Iboga is one of those things I have a very healthy respect for. I don't know that I'll ever do it, or that I really need to do it, but I've heard amazing things about it.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
    #26711112 - 06/01/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

sui said:
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/358025-thousands-attended-protest-organized-by-russians-on-facebook



That article is from 2017. Did you purposefully intend to make it appear to be from
these current protests?




no it was referencing russian interference wich happened a few years ago.


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