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Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans"
#26709905 - 05/31/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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so this moore guy poasted this
...movie about how green energy was sold to us in the obama era... im only 30 min in to this rando reupload
but we doubled our energy output, which remained stable since the 70's, with fracking...
and that the solar and wind industry takes its own environmental toll and is based on fossil fuels due to the scale of production and short life and batteries are bad n stuff and mountain top removal for wind
and now hes blacklisted
cause it was basically about obama being a shill
discuss 
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: cannabinated]
#26710001 - 05/31/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I guess it's only fair with all the conservatives who have been blacklisted. Personally, I'm not a big fan of censoring and blacklisting conservatives or liberals, but at least they're starting to do it evenly I guess? I dunno. I can see banning some stuff some of the time, but it's been going too far for a while IMO.
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: nooneman]
#26710036 - 05/31/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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but it was anti obama
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: cannabinated]
#26710048 - 05/31/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm no politician or law man but wasn't there a law or bill to spank the outlets that do this?
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: LikeMyc]
#26711443 - 06/01/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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u guys srsly gotta watch the horrors!
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: cannabinated]
#26711460 - 06/01/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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the great plains are gunna lose water in a couple decades we all gone die
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: nooneman]
#26711464 - 06/01/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Well I guess it's only fair with all the conservatives who have been blacklisted. Personally, I'm not a big fan of censoring and blacklisting conservatives or liberals, but at least they're starting to do it evenly I guess? I dunno. I can see banning some stuff some of the time, but it's been going too far for a while IMO.
I really can't get behind anyone telling any company that they need to allow certain content on the servers that they pay to host and maintain. Theoretically if Jack Dorsey only wanted people to be able to send out tweets that worshiped him, IMO he'd have every right to do so. If anything it should help new platforms pop up and help to break up the monopolies that these tech giants have.
I'd be all for a site that was practically a free for all (within legal/logical limits) if that's what the owners of the site wanted... but the government telling a private company how to moderate their own business like the new bill proposes sounds iffy as hell.
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: feevers] 1
#26711495 - 06/01/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are areas in my state where the water comes out of the tap on fire thanks to fracking. So that about sums up my thoughts on it.
https://www.ecowatch.com/pennsylvania-fracking-water-contamination-much-higher-than-reported-1882166816.html
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26711516 - 06/01/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's crazy that not a single competitor to YouTube is on the horizon. People have been begging for a viable alternative, but it's not happening, unless enough people decide to boycott YouTube and collectively get behind a new content sharing company. But it's not happening.
These complaints have been going on for years now, and it's just same shit, different day. Complaining ain't gonna change anything.
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: pirate-blues]
#26711518 - 06/01/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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methane is 30x moar powerful than co2 as a greenhouse emitter
sulfur hexaflouride, used to make solar panels is up to 30,000 times as potent as co2
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: cannabinated]
#26711528 - 06/01/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah its crazy
Biofuel is basically cutting down forests to burn in power plants
Solar farms are disguised natural gas plants
The main idea is that "green" energy does not exist
-------------------- Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros... A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.

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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26711534 - 06/01/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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theyre basically saying we would have been better off burning coal the whole time
trump was right
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26711536 - 06/01/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Something like that could feasibly be mitigated via methane capture, which I think we absolutely need to see more of regardless if we want to live, but you point out a lot of good things. I'll give this guy a try and see what I take away from it.
I've seen a lot of decimation in NE PA due to fracking and mining and it's honestly heartbreaking, so many superfund sites and destroyed areas. Add the job losses it brought that really put the nail in the coffin for a lot of places, and fracking just gives me kind of a knee jerk reaction.
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Tripsurfer said: Yeah its crazy
Biofuel is basically cutting down forests to burn in power plants
Solar farms are disguised natural gas plants
The main idea is that "green" energy does not exist
Well that's depressing.
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26711578 - 06/01/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The focus should be on limiting energy expenditure, not increase usage because it's "green"
Right now the numbers just dont add up. The amount of energy we consume can in no way or form be supplied by currently available renewable sources
If you cut all trees in the US and use as biofuel you would have enough energy for one year, then just wait a couple decades for new trees to grow
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26711590 - 06/01/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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feevers said:
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nooneman said: Well I guess it's only fair with all the conservatives who have been blacklisted. Personally, I'm not a big fan of censoring and blacklisting conservatives or liberals, but at least they're starting to do it evenly I guess? I dunno. I can see banning some stuff some of the time, but it's been going too far for a while IMO.
I really can't get behind anyone telling any company that they need to allow certain content on the servers that they pay to host and maintain. Theoretically if Jack Dorsey only wanted people to be able to send out tweets that worshiped him, IMO he'd have every right to do so. If anything it should help new platforms pop up and help to break up the monopolies that these tech giants have.
I'd be all for a site that was practically a free for all (within legal/logical limits) if that's what the owners of the site wanted... but the government telling a private company how to moderate their own business like the new bill proposes sounds iffy as hell.
I think it depends on if they are labeled as a platform or publisher. I think they’ve been platforms but since YouTube is censoring and Twitter is fact-checking Trump, it’s looking like they are becoming publishers. If they are publishers,I think they can be held liable for slander when fake news is circulated.
Fact checking Trump but letting things like conspiracy theories about Trump and Russia go is a bad look imo.
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: Billy Ray]
#26711640 - 06/01/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26712516 - 06/01/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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so detroit is burning trash for power
and the sierra club backed it
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: cannabinated]
#26712536 - 06/01/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Review of the movie by my chemist buddy who develops industrial scale catalytic converters
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While the Planet of the Humans movie is certainly flawed, the film forces those who care about climate change to think critically about the ideas driving the environmental movement, the actual consequences of implementing green technologies (solar, wind and batteries), and challenges the conventional wisdom that we can curb climate change without slowing down the pace at which we consume resources.
The film's narrative about the mainstream environmental movement (350.org and Sierra Club) being co-opted by people and organizations whose main interest is profit rather than reducing CO2 emissions is compelling. Solar and wind aren't a bad thing, but it's not sustainable if we have to burn natural gas to do it.
Lastly, the film brings up the uncomfortable fact that increasing population and economic growth are the biggest factors driving climate change. Thinking about this makes it hard not to despair as the idea of curbing these two things is extremely unpopular, essentially guaranteeing that human civilization is on an unstoppable path of self destruction.
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Nuclear Energy Nuclear energy is completely absence from the film. This is not surprising since when environmentalist don’t usually talk about nuclear energy unless they are condemning it. Such a staunch position against nuclear energy is baffling given that there are so few technologies that can be said to have little to no carbon emissions. Most of CO2 emitted by nuclear power plants come from the material needed to construct them (concrete, making the nuclear fuel rods, etc). But after that, nuclear power plants do not emit CO2.* Nuclear fuel rods are used to boil water into steam, the steam turns a turbine and creates electricity. After that, the steam is cooled and then recycled. That’s it.
It is true that nuclear material/waste is deadly and harmful for the environment, but nuclear meltdowns are extremely rare. Also, countries like France produce most of their electricity from nuclear power and yet don’t have the same problems with nuclear waste that we do. Furthermore, nuclear energy does not emit any of the harmful pollutants associated with fossil fuels, like CO2, NOx, SOx or particulate matter. When the world is in such dire straits, it is hard to fathom how the entire environmental movement can just ignore or condemn a technology that could have a substantial impact on curbing climate change.
The lack of growth in the nuclear industry in the US is due to a combination of public fear, government regulations, and ineptitude. For example: in 2017, two South Carolina utility companies, SCE&G and Santee Cooper, pulled out of building a nuclear reactor unit at VC Summer after the company contracted to complete the reactor, Westinghouse, went bankrupt. The bankruptcy revealed that the project was totally mismanaged, far behind schedule and completely overrun. South Carolina rate payers sank 2 billion dollars into a new reactor that will never produce a single kWhr of electricity. The fiasco is an unfortunate example of how our system is unable to build the infrastructure needed to combat climate change.
*there maybe equipment at the nuclear power plant that rely on fossil fuel, but the process itself does not generate CO2
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Internal Combustion Engines While some countries have been moving to one day ban the internal combustion engine, the idea that it will be phased out completely is fantasy.
For the foreseeable future, internal combustion engines will continue to be the most reliable mode of transportation in the air and on land. While internal combustion engines are extremely inefficient, the energy density of fossil fuels more than makes up for it. Internal combustion engines are also capable of generating an enormous amount of power in a short period of time, making them essential in construction applications and transporting large quantities of goods. At the very least, heavy duty tracks, construction equipment and airplanes will have to continue to rely on the internal combustion engine. Batteries just will not cut it. Battery technology may be useful for city driving but will require electricity to be generated with minimal CO2 emissions to cut down on their carbon footprint.
To curb CO2 emissions, strategies that help get cars off the road like investing more in public transportation make the most sense.
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Biomass Overall, I would say that the film unfairly targeted biomass as a potential source of energy. There are good reasons to be critical of biomass. Biomass generates several pollutants, including CO2, NOx and particulate matter. The major source of biofuel in the US is ethanol, which is required additive to gasoline. The idea that doing this is helping curb CO2 emissions is absurd on its face. The ethanol comes from a food stuff, takes a substantial amount of energy to make, and decreases fuel efficiency.
Biomass is also not in the best position to be used to generate electricity. Compared to coal, it is certainly renewable in that we can always grow more trees/plants. Like any coal powered plant, it would have additional CO2 penalties from running an aftertreament system to reduce particulate matter, SOx, and NOx emissions. Any aftertreament system will have a significant carbon footprint since natural gas is required to make ammonia, the chemical used to reduce NOx emission.
On the other hand, biomass is the only viable technology that will allow us to make biofuels and other chemicals in a sustainable way. As I mentioned before, the internal combustion engine is not going away, which means that we need to be able to produce fuel to run them without relying on oil or coal. Although biofuel requires growing plants that will ultimately be burned for energy, it is certainly a better alternative to burning oil, which just injects CO2 directly into the atmosphere. Plants do indeed consume CO2, so there is some CO2 that is offset even if it is not “zero emission”. Furthermore, CO2 sequestration technology may also offset some of the CO2 emitted producing and burning biofuel.
I would also like to point out that the oil industry has already developed advanced chemical processing technologies that could be used to convert biomass into biofuels and other chemicals. These technologies still need to be developed, but much of the expertise needed to operate the processing plants already exists, which is something important to consider when looking for technologies that can be applied in the short term.
Lastly, biofuels come with their own set of problems. For instance, all internal combustion engines on vehicles have strict emission limits. Currently, there is a dearth of research on how compatible biofuels are with existing aftertreatment systems. Biodiesel is known to have sodium and potassium in it, which poisons the catalysts used in aftertreament systems. However, these are technical problems that can be solved if we allocate the resources to do so.
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Animal Agriculture
Another uncomfortable topic to cover is the carbon footprint associated with animal agriculture. Most people do not want to think that their personal lifestyles contribute to climate change, but there is no doubt that meat consumption has a substantial carbon footprint. Coming to this realization does not require that one look at UN climate reports, documentaries, science papers, etc, but just a moments reflection on how meat is made. All meat growth requires land, water and food to grow animals, all of which have their own carbon emissions. Furthermore, consuming animals is an extremely inefficient way to get calories. In every case, we must feed more calories to the animal than we will ultimately consume when we eat the animal. By choosing to feed an animal instead of a human, we are needlessly consuming resources and emitting CO2 just so that we can have the luxury to eat meat.
Of course, the agricultural industry in general is heavily reliant on fossil fuels, however, that does not undo the fact that most humans do not need to consume meat to survive. There are a few instances where consuming meat is necessary for survival (treatment for certain rare conditions, like some forms of epilepsy), but most humans do not. Reducing the world’s demand for meat could go a long way to reducing CO2 emissions.
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Re: Michael Moore Blacklisted on YouTube; "Planet of the Humans" [Re: Tripsurfer] 1
#26712598 - 06/01/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: The focus should be on limiting energy expenditure, not increase usage because it's "green"
Right now the numbers just dont add up. The amount of energy we consume can in no way or form be supplied by currently available renewable sources
If you cut all trees in the US and use as biofuel you would have enough energy for one year, then just wait a couple decades for new trees to grow
Oh I absolutely agree with you for sure. I just kind of considered green(or "green" for all intents and purposes) energy one aspect of a tapestry of scientific, technological, and lifestyle efforts.
I don't know how anyone can look at the way we are living and say it's okay.
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