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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 4
    #26709080 - 05/31/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26709091 - 05/31/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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pirate-blues said:
Yeah, as someone who's been a victim of violent crime before I definitely do not think that the police force should be abolished. It's not a binary issue to me.



So why make it a binary issue between 'having police' and 'having no protection from violent crime'? Modern day policing has only existed for 200 years - human communities weren't hopelessly vulnerable to violent crime before then.





Fair enough.

But the last 200 years have changed more drastically than any other era within human history with industrialization, two world wars, the invention of the atomic bomb, the internet...it all has just fundamentally changed society to such and extent that I think any solution that involves 'going back to the way things were' is a bit of a fallacy. The difference in the amount of people on the planet between then and now alone complicates every possible aspect of making society work. Not to mention community policing probably was rife with it's own issues back then as well.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26709164 - 05/31/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #26709243 - 05/31/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

For sure, don't interpret me as saying we should necessarily revert back to older methods - moreso challenging the common idea that police are both a fundamental and necessary part of society.

Especially if we consider that, despite the myth that police exist to fight violent crime, the function of police first and foremost is the protection of private property and social control - they have no legal duty to protect other citizens from harm. The gang in blue wasn't created to protect people from violent crime; and although it does preform this role in a limited capacity, maybe we're better off building something completely new rather than try to reform such a diseased institution.

I agree that policing didn't suddenly become bad 200 years ago either. Nobody is fit to rule anybody else - rule as such causes abuse. There are no superpeople nor privileged classes who are above 'imperfect humanity' and are capable or entitled to rule the rest of us - corruption is endemic to authority.

The solution, imo, isn't trying to find the perfect set of regulations to keep the police under control - instead, I believe making community self-defence a decentralized and voluntary position (ie, by reducing the authority inherent to the position) is the better way to minimize abuse of authority while still providing protection from violent crime.

By decentralized, I mean moving away from the gang mentality we currently see displayed by police. As much as possible, there should be no distinction between the community and those who protect it. For example: training in de-escalation and self-defence should be available to anyone interested - and individuals who complete this training can then be entered into a community watch member list. Now we are no longer dependent on a centralized police force because we have the ability to protect ourselves and (because not everyone is able to protect themselves) connect with the members of our community who are comfortable protecting others.

By volunteering, I mean policing shouldn't be a career people enter just because they want a paycheque. Keeping our community safe must be a reward in itself. This touches onto decentralization because it's a shift in mentality from outsourcing community self-defence to a professional police force, towards the idea that community self-defence is something we all participate in.

Of course, even this won't be perfect - but it's a lot easier to hold your neighbours accountable for their actions than a cloistered police force.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #26709254 - 05/31/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Don’t make me start a love protest


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26709262 - 05/31/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Are you an anarchist?


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26709265 - 05/31/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Protection of private property is an enormous indicator of how well your society does.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: mandrin13]
    #26709269 - 05/31/20 02:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is the consensus that they broke his neck?  That man could breath, what the police are doing is awful, but it just seems off.  The EMTs didn't seem to follow what I would imagine are standard procedures but then again I am not an EMT, can anyone weight in.  I am not necessarily saying false flag, I want someone to explain to me what happened, cause I am not seeing it.




1st, my apologies, it appears there were zero EMTs on scene, or they wear bullet proof vest, which while unusual, is allowed.How standard is this practice normally, and why wasn't CPR administered?

The preliminary reports are in: "combined effects of Mr. Floyd's being restrained by police, underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system."  The family will be getting an independent autopsy, with rumors it will be the same as who did Epsteins autopsy, though that may just be conspiracy garbage.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
    #26709272 - 05/31/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Are you an anarchist?



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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26709279 - 05/31/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
For sure, don't interpret me as saying we should necessarily revert back to older methods - moreso challenging the common idea that police are both a fundamental and necessary part of society.

Especially if we consider that, despite the myth that police exist to fight violent crime, the function of police first and foremost is the protection of private property and social control - they have no legal duty to protect other citizens from harm. The gang in blue wasn't created to protect people from violent crime; and although it does preform this role in a limited capacity, maybe we're better off building something completely new rather than try to reform such a diseased institution.

I agree that policing didn't suddenly become bad 200 years ago either. Nobody is fit to rule anybody else - rule as such causes abuse. There are no superpeople nor privileged classes who are above 'imperfect humanity' and are capable or entitled to rule the rest of us - corruption is endemic to authority.

The solution, imo, isn't trying to find the perfect set of regulations to keep the police under control - instead, I believe making community self-defence a decentralized and voluntary position (ie, by reducing the authority inherent to the position) is the better way to minimize abuse of authority while still providing protection from violent crime.

By decentralized, I mean moving away from the gang mentality we currently see displayed by police. As much as possible, there should be no distinction between the community and those who protect it. For example: training in de-escalation and self-defence should be available to anyone interested - and individuals who complete this training can then be entered into a community watch member list. Now we are no longer dependent on a centralized police force because we have the ability to protect ourselves and (because not everyone is able to protect themselves) connect with the members of our community who are comfortable protecting others.

By volunteering, I mean policing shouldn't be a career people enter just because they want a paycheque. Keeping our community safe must be a reward in itself. This touches onto decentralization because it's a shift in mentality from outsourcing community self-defence to a professional police force, towards the idea that community self-defence is something we all participate in.

Of course, even this won't be perfect - but it's a lot easier to hold your neighbours accountable for their actions than a cloistered police force.




If you got your house broken into tommorow you'd call the cops, if someone shot you your are calling the cops. Your ideolodgy is just that ideological to the point that it doesn't make sense. How about the laws are more fucked up then most of the cops, most cops even if it's 70% good cops that's still the majority. Good Cops are protesting with people but you treat all of them like that racist murderer and all the cops that watched and were just as guilty. They are racist monsters all cops aren't. My dad tried to expose corruption in LAPD IN the 80s and they threatened our family out of the force. There's good cops and it's not fair to say they're all monsters.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
    #26709301 - 05/31/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I've just been watching some local news feeds of different areas that have high looting activity.

The helicopter footage last night of melrose avenue in LA was fuckin nuts.

Been watching a sunray drugs (I assume a pharmacy?) getting looted here, bunch of guys have the safe out front and are trynig to smash it open. Police SUV drove by but didn't stop.

https://www.fox29.com/live


If you find wherever shit is the craziest and go to their local news feeds, you can see some fuckin crazy shit. Also some of the independent people on youtube and pscp.tv are getting better footage of psychotic cops who are just making the situation so much worse.

Cops are so fuckin stupid. This situation will get worse because they are demented.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #26709325 - 05/31/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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If you got your house broken into tommorow you'd call the cops, if someone shot you your are calling the cops. Your ideolodgy is just that ideological to the point that it doesn't make sense. How about the laws are more fucked up then most of the cops, most cops even if it's 70% good cops that's still the majority. Good Cops are protesting with people but you treat all of them like that racist murderer and all the cops that watched and were just as guilty. They are racist monsters all cops aren't. My dad tried to expose corruption in LAPD IN the 80s and they threatened our family out of the force. There's good cops and it's not fair to say they're all monsters.



That's a lot of assumptions you're making about me. I've never called or cooperated with the cops although I have been robbed and threatened in the past. Everything I wrote about in the post you quoted reflects how I currently live my life.

As for the rest of your post - if those 70% good cops (note: this is just a number you made up) aren't able to reign in the 30% bad cops to the extent that trying to expose corruption will get your family threatened right out of the force - maybe it is fair to say that the police entire system is broken.


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #26709345 - 05/31/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #26709347 - 05/31/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm downtown Dever fuckin' with riot police while drinking.

Fuck the Police!!!

I'm sure I'll be arrested


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: PumpJackTeX] * 2
    #26709353 - 05/31/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

im proud of you. be careful out there


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26709360 - 05/31/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

ive created a list of which political leaders were going to assisinate:

-anyone not out on the street with their people


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26709362 - 05/31/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It doesnt make you admirable not to call the cops or do what you need to, when someone fucks you.

Calling our police totally broken is taking for granite the institutions in the rest of the world. If ours are broken, what about them?


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: PumpJackTeX] * 2
    #26709387 - 05/31/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm downtown Dever fuckin' with riot police while drinking.

Fuck the Police!!!

I'm sure I'll be arrested



I was in denver yesterday/last night. Riot police were riding around in
trucks shooting protestors with pepper balls to coral them out of downtown
and away from the capitol. It was nuts.

Got gassed and my chick got hit with a pepper ball while we were walking
away from the protest. Cops were like a block away just firing pepper balls
indiscriminately into the crowd.

Couple people threw water bottles at them and that's what started the tear gas.
Then people started throwing rocks but everybody was asking people not to throw
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26709392 - 05/31/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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TheFakeSunRa said:
Are you an anarchist?



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Can we talk about abolishing money?

I’ve been thinking about it for years. I know it’s a fantastical dream and all that

I’m kind of an anarchist but my mind is really slippery. FWIW I’ve read a lot anarchist literature.

There’s nothing on earth I hate more than capitalism. A few months ago it occurred to me that every economic system is some kind of capitalism. Even communism, if there’s money involved, is a subcategory of capitalism.

Money, private property (defined by the state), and capitalism have to be erased from the planet.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]


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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26709410 - 05/31/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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