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What happened to George Floyd is a damn shame and should never happen to any person no matter their race. This type of police behavior should never happen and there needs to be changes made to help prevent police from acting this way in the future. That being said, the response from the people in this country is beyond horrible. There is a right way and a wrong way to get a point across and protest.
I fully support the right to protest peacefully, but what is happening right now is in some major cities is insane. These protests are getting out of hand and people are just using them as an excuse to loot and cause unneeded damage. I watched some live footage last night from Minneapolis and Los Angeles and I am ashamed of these people. People acting this way is going against exactly what they are protesting for!
The officer who murdered George Floyd was charged with manslaughter and third degree murder, and the other officers are being investigated too. At this point people are just violently protesting because they want to cause chaos and destruction. If the officer walked away scott free then I would understand the continued protests, but he was charged and will be going to prison. What more do these people want right now? I understand society has a want for instant gratification, but laws and justice can't just happen in the snap of a finger.
Maybe some one can help me understand better the need to for people to act this way, but I can't see it. What is happening right now is sickening, the people looting, vandalizing, and throwing objects at police are disgusting human beings and in my opinion they are giving police a very good reason to use excessive force and more non lethal means of calming this shit down.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: FruitOfLife]
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: FruitOfLife]
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the inciting incident this week was when cops shot kneeling protesters in the face with teargas in minneapolis for no reason
so yeah it sucks but the cops continue to escalate it
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: FruitOfLife] 5
#26709044 - 05/31/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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It isn't just about racial killings. It's social unrest caused by high unemployment, the wealth gap and a poor social safety net. When you have an interruption like the corona virus people are going to act out. There are going to be protests in the street over something, anything. This just popped off.
People are just fed up right now.
When Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup there was no reason to riot and burn cars and break windows, but sometimes it's just the feeling at the the time. Mob violence is never a rational expression of thought.
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cannabinated said: the inciting incident this week was when cops shot kneeling protesters in the face with teargas in minneapolis for no reason
so yeah it sucks but the cops continue to escalate it
I get it, what happened was fucked up and that cop committed murder. But to take the protests to this level is counter productive to what the people want.
Obviously this will never happen but the best solution IMO is when an officer does something like this and it's clearly murder, then you throw that officer to the mobs and bring back things like stoning to death or something along those lines. Let the people take out their frustrations while bringing justice to a piece of shit human being who took his authority too far.
Not only will it balance the scale, but it will deter future police officers from using excessive force and abusing their power because they won't want to be stoned to death. Just a thought.
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Ahab McBathsalts said: It isn't just about racial killings. It's social unrest caused by high unemployment, the wealth gap and a poor social safety net. When you have an interruption like the corona virus people are going to act out. There are going to be protests in the street over something, anything. This just popped off.
People are just fed up right now.
When Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup there was no reason to riot and burn cars and break windows, but sometimes it's just the feeling at the the time. Mob violence is never a rational expression of thought.
You make a really good point, I didn't take into effect all the other shit going on right now.
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My only opinion is that peaceful protests are always ignored, it's business as usual after a peaceful protest, and although these protests are violent and likely not a good course of action, it is an inevitable consequence of years and years of ignoring peaceful protests. This is the inevitable conclusion that should have been fully anticipated.
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Tmethyl said: My only opinion is that peaceful protests are always ignored, it's business as usual after a peaceful protest, and although these protests are violent and likely not a good course of action, it is an inevitable consequence of years and years of ignoring peaceful protests.
I went to like 15 global marijuana marches in a row with zero violence and eventually pot got legalized. If we attacked a bunch of cops it would have looked bad, even though users of illegal drugs have the most reasons for a cop beef.
I haven't seen violence at any of the G 20 protests have any positive effect. The LA riots in the 90s had no positive after effects. The debris will get swept up, more whites will get guns out of fear and two weeks from now nothing will have changed.
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Tmethyl said: My only opinion is that peaceful protests are always ignored, it's business as usual after a peaceful protest, and although these protests are violent and likely not a good course of action, it is an inevitable consequence of years and years of ignoring peaceful protests. This is the inevitable conclusion that should have been fully anticipated.
While I agree that peaceful protests never work in America, you should take it out on the political offices and the powers that be, not small businesses.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: viraldrome] 5
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Standing on a corner with some fuck ass sign ain’t gonna do shit. How much property damage is equal to a mans life? 2men? 10 men? 1,000 men?
If the destruction makes the op feel uncomfortable, just think of George with a knee on his neck and all the other countless blacks, including dear Dr. King who was so peaceful and got shot through the head anyway.
I went to protest last night and peaceful protests ain’t gonna do shit! Cops shut it down, called it an unlawful gathering
They stripping away our rights, taking our lives, and you’re main concern is merchandise? We don’t deserve this country and we’re gonna lose this country. That’s clear to me because people just don’t care. This shit show is what we deserve
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said: My only opinion is that peaceful protests are always ignored, it's business as usual after a peaceful protest, and although these protests are violent and likely not a good course of action, it is an inevitable consequence of years and years of ignoring peaceful protests. This is the inevitable conclusion that should have been fully anticipated.
Agreed.
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I have no problem with riots and violence property damage to get a point across because... well it's sometimes the only way to get attention.
The issue I take is that it's directionless. No one is making measurable demands. Everyone is just saying "we're pissed and we hate you."
Why do I know this? Well because the riots are still happening after charges for all officers involved were brought up.
It says I'm angry. Not "create federal oversight for police that doesn't rely on them to do their jobs as current court systems do." Or "standardize training." Or "standardize and oversee testing to weed out sociopaths and people who would be unable to perform the duty."
Only message I got was... stop being racist?
I had a similar problem when this movement was called Black Lives Matter. No one's really demanding anything. The first step was awareness. And outrage. We haven't gone beyond that step.
If you ask me the rioters are children trying to mimic adult things.
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I'm #teamriot cos that's the only way this country will change for the better.....over lots of blood. Otherwise people will still be letting the rich comfortably control them. I say stop destroying business and start targeting idk say credit card buildings and oil refineries? Idk just a suggestion
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I agree with that Cookie, without a clear direction and goal, where could this even go?
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: Tmethyl]
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we should just all take a trip to occupy wilmington delaware
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#26709273 - 05/31/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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While I agree that peaceful protests never work in America, you should take it out on the political offices and the powers that be, not small businesses.
Burn down the Whitehouse and hang the politicians.
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It's the new generations Rodney king, people were already angry and scared from the pandemic and this shit was so heinous fucking racists were saying it was fucked up. They are destroying their own communities and that sucks. In a week people are going to have so much more pain then we already had. People literally had businesses burnt to the ground not just locked down for a month or 2. Thisnnis sad for all the victims they createtrying to get justice.
Something else I'll say is they need to charge the other officers just like civilians would that's part of why everyone is more pissed then usual
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These videos coming out of rioters are doing a good job in highlighting exactly who and what are the problems in our country.
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#26709358 - 05/31/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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While I agree that peaceful protests never work in America, you should take it out on the political offices and the powers that be, not small businesses.
The sheer ugliness of it all has really just literally kinda sickened me. So I'm trying my hardest to stay away from it (although not doing too good of a job apparently since I'm posting here in this thread). And this will probably (hopefully) be last post on any of this.
I mean just watching and reading a little bit of the news this morning made my stomach nauseous. From the officer who squashed the life out of that guy to the rioting and the looting -- the whole thing is just uber depressing. And really, really sad, man. On so many levels.
Also seeing people openly root for the burning of businesses and living residences -- I think that really takes a special type of evil to root for something like that. I get being angry at the police and the government and maybe wanting bad things to happen to them specifically but a lot of these small businesses are people's livelihoods. Small business owners usually pour every cent they have into their business to make it work. I don't support rioting or looting of anywhere but it's one thing if it's a Target or a McDonalds, because those are mega corporations that will be fine in the end but a lot of these little random places that are getting torched and destroyed...it just makes me ill inside. Why are people hurting these people who have zero to do with what happened? And even big businesses -- what kind of sense does it make to destroy, for instance, a Target? How does that aid the war on police brutality?
And for those who say, "oh well it's just collateral damage", I gotta wonder if those people would feel the same way if their own business or say their mother or father's business got burned to the ground. Like would they say "ah it sucks mom that your hair salon got trashed because people are angry but hey it's just collateral damage you'll get over it".
Really easy to be unaffected by it when it's not yours but for someone out there...it is theirs. And their lives have been flipped upside down when they had nothing to do with any of this. Their business just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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The protests just aren’t shroomy enough for my tastes. I would like to see some people skillfully infuse some goodness into it.
Moving it a bit more away from the carnal jungle that it devolved into.
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none of these riots would have started if the cops didnt smash that autozone and shoot tear gas at people kneeling at a social distance
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People said that about Charlottesville too
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i dont see how you can be mad at people vandalizing when cops are running over pedestrians in tandem
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Also seeing people openly root for the burning of businesses and living residences -- I think that really takes a special type of evil to root for something like that.
Condos that gentrify and out price the poor and all this shit culture of buying up all the property and raising the rent endlessly - fuck those buildings
And fuck small business. Small businesses are still owned by greedy cunts who want to live off others labor ultimately. Happy to see it burn.
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And fuck small business. Small businesses are still owned by greedy cunts who want to live off others labor ultimately. Happy to see it burn.

lol you got issues dude
from your openly rooting for other countries to bomb us to oblivion to your over the top hatred of every single business that exists
You're too angry all the time SunRa, chill out holmes, take a xan or something. Have a beer.
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by the way how are the Falcons looking next season (if there is a season that is)?
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Damn 4PM curfew in santa monica
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If the system isn't working for you, tear it down.
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It's reaching places that haven't had violent riots before. Like several cities all across Pennsylvania had it bad. I don't understand how trying to burn down and destroy random businesses and police stations and government buildings, that we are going to have to pay for with taxes, will give any justice to the act in a different town in a different state. Like the people who are responsible are not in 60different cities.
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Tmethyl said: My only opinion is that peaceful protests are always ignored, it's business as usual after a peaceful protest, and although these protests are violent and likely not a good course of action, it is an inevitable consequence of years and years of ignoring peaceful protests. This is the inevitable conclusion that should have been fully anticipated.
While I agree that peaceful protests never work in America, you should take it out on the political offices and the powers that be, not small businesses.
The sheer ugliness of it all has really just literally kinda sickened me. So I'm trying my hardest to stay away from it (although not doing too good of a job apparently since I'm posting here in this thread). And this will probably (hopefully) be last post on any of this.
I mean just watching and reading a little bit of the news this morning made my stomach nauseous. From the officer who squashed the life out of that guy to the rioting and the looting -- the whole thing is just uber depressing. And really, really sad, man. On so many levels.
Also seeing people openly root for the burning of businesses and living residences -- I think that really takes a special type of evil to root for something like that. I get being angry at the police and the government and maybe wanting bad things to happen to them specifically but a lot of these small businesses are people's livelihoods. Small business owners usually pour every cent they have into their business to make it work. I don't support rioting or looting of anywhere but it's one thing if it's a Target or a McDonalds, because those are mega corporations that will be fine in the end but a lot of these little random places that are getting torched and destroyed...it just makes me ill inside. Why are people hurting these people who have zero to do with what happened? And even big businesses -- what kind of sense does it make to destroy, for instance, a Target? How does that aid the war on police brutality?
And for those who say, "oh well it's just collateral damage", I gotta wonder if those people would feel the same way if their own business or say their mother or father's business got burned to the ground. Like would they say "ah it sucks mom that your hair salon got trashed because people are angry but hey it's just collateral damage you'll get over it".
Really easy to be unaffected by it when it's not yours but for someone out there...it is theirs. And their lives have been flipped upside down when they had nothing to do with any of this. Their business just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Agreed with everything you said.
If you wanna storm the White House and demand changes, I'm all for it. But burning down your own city, is the opposite of what you should be doing. Your own taxpayer money is basically going to fund the cleanup and rebuild of the city, instead of going into education and other essential services.
Construction workers are the only winners of this. They're gonna get slammed with work after this is all over.
The sad part about this riot, is that it's only reaffirming stereotypes. America is so divided right now, and this is only exacerbating the tension and hate between groups. I don't know a single person, whose political views has changed, as a result of these protests. If anything, people who were on the side of the protesters at the beginning, are shifting gears.
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In the past few months, many were advocating for forced compliance of coronavirus measures, decrying conservatives for openly protesting, giving nods to forced vaccination by being held down as in the past and decrying third world nations for not effectively containing riots through force during a pandemic, and many here were part of those conversations. That conversation changes pretty fast when political dynamics are at play, but what's funny is the same kind of attitude for enforcing such measurements would have and do lead to the same kinds of abuses you see before you that sparked these riots. Executive power overreach from the local police level right on up to the presidential office is hard to keep in check when there is a sizable minority of support behind it.
The problem isn't with this side or that as the bad guy really. The problem in the United States currently is that two sides of the political dynamic readily grant authority to enforcement in order to see their side win. Too readily are both sides willing to see free speech, assembly, the right to hold a weapon, rights to privacy and the rights to do with your body as you please erode in the face of perceived political dynamics and cultural divisions. The conversation always devolves into whose side you're on and how the erosion of rights should be handled and who should receive them rather than how to curb systemic inequities.
To me there is no major difference between forced vaccination and forcing someone to keep a child to term, nor is there a difference between a white guy in the suburbs keeping a AR-15 or a black guy in the city keeping a hand gun. We decry that the government taps our phones without warrants, and simultaneously ask that they make personal information on our mobile devices available to quell the spread of disease.
The national conversation is completely compromised. There is no basis from which to form common ground because those protesting government overreach are not on the same page and push each other away - and down the road whether a few weeks from now or months, liberals and conservatives alike will be adopting positions again which imply eroding the rights of their opposites because the conversations being peddled by influencers will once again be about silencing and subjugating the other side than it is about the systemic problems of our governments at every level.
Police officers are overrepresented by white officers in often predominantly black neighborhoods. That's known. But among every single community, whether it's inner city blacks, country farm kids or suburban hipster white kids there is a sort of institutionalized shaming among people for joining the police, military or positions of legal office. The very communities disproportionately affected by executive overreach are those that socially forgo representation a lot of the time. While there should definitely be more oversight and third party inspection of police practices, perhaps the real answer to closing the gap in representation is to actually get more people representative of the local population into positions of law enforcement.
While there are systemic hurdles in implementing this, the larger hurdles are social in nature - and the overall view of seeing the police, military and politicians as the enemy rather than as a tool of the people they are hired to serve is a difficult dynamic to overcome no doubt. But regardless, liberals and conservatives alike continually elect representatives unwilling or incapable of implementing the changes necessary to curb executive overreach in matters of policing, war and containing corruption - and the same representatives are able to take advantage of the political breakdown in the face of systemic problems.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: PatrickKn]
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Agreed with everything you said.
If you wanna storm the White House and demand changes, I'm all for it. But burning down your own city, is the opposite of what you should be doing. Your own taxpayer money is basically going to fund the cleanup and rebuild of the city, instead of going into education and other essential services.
Construction workers are the only winners of this. They're gonna get slammed with work after this is all over.
The sad part about this riot, is that it's only reaffirming stereotypes. America is so divided right now, and this is only exacerbating the tension and hate between groups. I don't know a single person, whose political views has changed, as a result of these protests. If anything, people who were on the side of the protesters at the beginning, are shifting gears.

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PatrickKn said: In the past few months, many were advocating for forced compliance of coronavirus measures, decrying conservatives for openly protesting, giving nods to forced vaccination by being held down as in the past and decrying third world nations for not effectively containing riots through force during a pandemic, and many here were part of those conversations. That conversation changes pretty fast when political dynamics are at play, but what's funny is the same kind of attitude for enforcing such measurements would have and do lead to the same kinds of abuses you see before you that sparked these riots. Executive power overreach from the local police level right on up to the presidential office is hard to keep in check when there is a sizable minority of support behind it.
The problem isn't with this side or that as the bad guy really. The problem in the United States currently is that two sides of the political dynamic readily grant authority to enforcement in order to see their side win. Too readily are both sides willing to see free speech, assembly, the right to hold a weapon, rights to privacy and the rights to do with your body as you please erode in the face of perceived political dynamics and cultural divisions. The conversation always devolves into whose side you're on and how the erosion of rights should be handled and who should receive them rather than how to curb systemic inequities.
To me there is no major difference between forced vaccination and forcing someone to keep a child to term, nor is there a difference between a white guy in the suburbs keeping a AR-15 or a black guy in the city keeping a hand gun. We decry that the government taps our phones without warrants, and simultaneously ask that they make personal information on our mobile devices available to quell the spread of disease.
The national conversation is completely compromised. There is no basis from which to form common ground because those protesting government overreach are not on the same page and push each other away - and down the road whether a few weeks from now or months, liberals and conservatives alike will be adopting positions again which imply eroding the rights of their opposites because the conversations being peddled by influencers will once again be about silencing and subjugating the other side than it is about the systemic problems of our government's at every level.
Police officers are overrepresented by white officers in often predominantly black neighborhoods. That's known. But among every single community, whether it's inner city blacks, country farm kids or suburban hipster white kids there is a sort of institutionalized shaming among people for joining the police, military or positions of legal office. The very communities disproportionately affected by executive overreach are those that socially forgo representation a lot of the time. While there should definitely be more oversight and third party inspection of police practices, perhaps the real answer to closing the gap in representation is to actually get more people representative of the local population into positions of law enforcement.
While there are systemic hurdles in implementing this, the larger hurdles are social in nature - and the overall view of seeing the police, military and politicians as the enemy rather than as a tool of the people they are hired to serve is a difficult dynamic to overcome no doubt. But regardless, liberals and conservatives alike continually elect representatives unwilling or incapable of implementing the changes necessary to curb executive overreach in matters of policing, war and containing corruption - and the same representatives are able to take advantage of the political breakdown in the face of systemic problems.
GREAT post.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: FruitOfLife] 1
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So basically people are fed up with a bunch of different things. The most pressing issue being institionalized racism and cops continuing to kill people. Yeah, the cop may get some prison time. But what if he doesnt? The fact that cops keep killing innocent people is why this is happening now. Plus all the self-isolating and layoffs is making me unrested about the US system as a whole.
Some people just cant take the fuckin bullshit anymore! They want things to end, like cop-citizen violence. Yes, rioting isnt the best way, but there is no leadership. Who is to lead on this mission to end cop violence and oppression against citizens? Who will stand up to the fucked up system that is the Police State?
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This is getting wild. Ive been watching DC for the past hour. Its not too far from my work. I would only want to be there for the wrong reason. The thrill just to see it.
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The war on drugs, the drug laws, systematic racism, sexism, & common place corruption, elitism, unaffordable health care & tuition for education, wage slavery , debt slavery, inequality, the constant wars, terrorism, police brutality, police upholding unnatural laws, injustice, Covid 19, the response to the pandemic, Trump, Biden....this next election...Floyd. Xenophobia, the lies, the deception, the manipulations, the prisons systems, Elitism, the controlled Mass Media & news cycles, big business & multinational corps, deranged mass shootings, being locked up for what you put in your body - making money off of putting people in prison , covert ops knife & dagger killings in other countries back yards - pollution, fossil fuels.... Spying on Citizens without their consent...sexual abuse / Epstein & power elites & politcians... ...just everything in general lmao - etc etc etc
Politicians & elected representatives making money off of Covid...giving our tax money to mostly the rich...all that stuff plays a role.
Covid 19 + the horrible response to it & 30% unemployment & Floyd’s death are just the breaking point to everything humanity has had to deal with since the beginning - more or less over time. It was always inevitable... now they are rioting & protesting in my own city too...this very second.  Hope for the best. Because this is just crazy...I don’t think it’s the best way to go about it.... but I understand the mind set, just don’t agree with the tactics.
 
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NBA player JR Smith beat the shit out of "protester" who broke his car window
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: Niffla]
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Hey if breaking someone’s window is fair game, Why wouldn’t breaking someone’s face be fair game too? Especially if it’s the face of the guy who broke your window. Wow - people can be stupefyingly stupid. That guy got instant karma’d.
Would I let someone get away scotch free if they broke mine or my families hard earned property?
Highly doubt it, especially if they did it intentionally, trying to destroy whatever just because they felt wronged or hyped.
Fucc that.
Damnit, now this is going to lead to needing more police. I suppose the bad part of the protesters will just ignore that fact.
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The Blind Ass said: Hey if breaking someone’s window is fair game, Why wouldn’t breaking someone’s face be fair game too? Especially if it’s the face of the guy who broke your window.
That guy got instant karma’d.
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The Blind Ass said: The war on drugs, the drug laws, systematic racism, sexism, & common place corruption, elitism, unaffordable health care & tuition for education, wage slavery , debt slavery, inequality, the constant wars, terrorism, police brutality, police upholding unnatural laws, injustice, Covid 19, the response to the pandemic, Trump, Biden....this next election...Floyd. Xenophobia, the lies, the deception, the manipulations, the prisons systems, Elitism, the controlled Mass Media & news cycles, big business & multinational corps, deranged mass shootings, being locked up for what you put in your body - making money off of putting people in prison , covert ops knife & dagger killings in other countries back yards - pollution, fossil fuels.... Spying on Citizens without their consent...sexual abuse / Epstein & power elites & politcians... ...just everything in general lmao - etc etc etc
Politicians & elected representatives making money off of Covid...giving our tax money to mostly the rich...all that stuff plays a role.
Covid 19 + the horrible response to it & 30% unemployment & Floyd’s death are just the breaking point to everything humanity has had to deal with since the beginning - more or less over time. It was always inevitable... now they are rioting & protesting in my own city too...this very second.  Hope for the best. Because this is just crazy...I don’t think it’s the best way to go about it.... but I understand the mind set, just don’t agree with the tactics.
Get ready for the shit show.
Yeah, this is the accumulation of many different social, economic and criminal justice issues. The MSM wants to just paint the narrative it's all about white cop bad and POC protesting, but that isn't the case.
Now Trump and the DOJ are blaming Antifa for this mess. I'm sorry, but this isn't about a bunch of social misfits dressing up in black, that's total nonsense.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/trump-antifa-terrorist-organization-legal-292785
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: qman]
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The problem isn't with this side or that as the bad guy really. The problem in the United States currently is that two sides of the political dynamic readily grant authority to enforcement in order to see their side win.
Nah. The authority to kill civilians had resulted from not enforcing the law when it comes to the police. The police set their own rules in practice.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: koods]
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But regardless, liberals and conservatives alike continually elect representatives unwilling or incapable of implementing the changes necessary to curb executive overreach in matters of policing, war and containing corruption - and the same representatives are able to take advantage of the political breakdown in the face of systemic problems.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: PatrickKn]
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The fires are accelerating climate change and the riots are spreading the virus.
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Re: These protests are insane [Re: FruitOfLife]
#26710442 - 06/01/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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FruitOfLife said:
I fully support the right to protest peacefully
There is no way for African Americans to protest that won't get them attacked from all sides.
Remember "black lives matter"? bam, "all lives matter" and "blue lives matter"
Remember "taking a knee"? What is more humble, peaceful and righteous than that? Nope even the president officially viciously attacked it as unpatriotic.
Maybe black people should arm themselves to the teeth and exercise their constitutional right to walk around on peaceful demonstrations with an AR-15 openly carried, or just open carry firearms in general.
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Ahab McBathsalts said: It isn't just about racial killings. It's social unrest caused by high unemployment, the wealth gap and a poor social safety net. When you have an interruption like the corona virus people are going to act out. There are going to be protests in the street over something, anything. This just popped off.
People are just fed up right now.
When Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup there was no reason to riot and burn cars and break windows, but sometimes it's just the feeling at the the time. Mob violence is never a rational expression of thought.
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Should have seen Mexico City after they beat a rival in a World Cup in the mid 00’s, It looked like an air raid had swept across the streets of the city. A victory celebratory mob/riot,
The damage was done when they were happy lmao. Can’t imagine what it might have looked like if they had lost  I agree with Ahab. Pandemic, poor response, classic ancient feuds, & over 25% unemployment = people going a bit nutty for a while.
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