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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: ShroomDoom] 1
#26708936 - 05/31/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It isnt systemic. They commit more crimes and escalate more often than us.
Im not excusing cops or thes murderer. The way the institution is managed seems wrong in many ways. And people fuck up. Its a tough job. There are bad people that want authority to abuse it
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] 2
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qman said: Yes, communities that commit more crimes have more police interactions, and more police interactions equals more victims of abuse and corruption. So yes, this obviously needs to be addressed to get real on the issue. It's not some grand conspiracy against black people.
You see this is the victim blaming mentality that fails to address the intersectionality of issues that go along with crime in communities of color. "If only they'd commit less crime" Is what racists say to try and gloss over 400 years of institutionalized oppression and the resulting disparity in policing as somehow the victims' fault. Clearly its not a demographic issue as police encounter white people every day at a greater extent than minorities because of population statistics. Its an issue of institutionalized racism and police brutality not "black people commit more crime."
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specialpeopleclub said: It isnt systemic. They commit more crimes and escalate more often than us.
It's as systemic as your poor ratings. Maybe thats something easier to understand for you.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: ShroomDoom]
#26708959 - 05/31/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gtsaam/please_make_this_go_viral_i_am_begging_you_police/
It's kind of mind boggling to see this kind of footage coming from a supposed globally advanced nation. I'm not even American and this stuff makes me want to protest. Some of your police folk over there exhibit borderline fascist behaviour. Where to go from here?
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#26708976 - 05/31/20 11:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: Getting shot or killed with force by the police isn't a leading cause of death for any other demographic other than young black men.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-08-15/police-shootings-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men
So yeah, it is a racial issue, the numbers don't lie. It's a question of why. And there is no one answer, to suggest so is completely intellectually disingenuous. Past oppression through tactics like redlining(if you're not familiar) has consequences, systemic racism, and multi generational poverty has consequences. The militarization of police forces, and other atrocious things like rejecting applicants for scoring too high on IQ tests, neglecting training on how to deal with mental illness..all of it is an issue. And it's having very real effects that you can measure statistically, so imo, to ignore this as a racial issue, is to ignore a basic truth.
It's racial profiling on top of another mentality issue. One where authority is not part of the people and serving the people. One where violence and excessive force is used to get what they want.
Another highly vulnerable demographic is the mentally ill and mentally disabled. Because they can't respond to commands. Not responding to commands is an excuse to use violence to American police.
Other countries don't pursue perpetrators the way we do. They don't do high speed car chaces or pepper cars or people with bullets to stop them. I've seen it with my own eyes and I'll never forget it. How many bullets does it take to stop a man in a pick up truck? I stopped counting after 2 dozen.
It's partly a race issue but there's a deeper cultural issue that solving racism won't fix. That issue, I think, revolves around police having a gang mentality.
In my mind they are gangs, they'll defend their turf no matter the bystanders and abuse or kill anyone that fails to show them "respect."
My cousin is a city police officer and I do have respect for those in uniform. Many are good people.
But many gang members are good people when they're outside of their gang and territorial wars.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues] 2
#26708986 - 05/31/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to?
What I personally would like to see is not necessarily impotent cops, but more training in deescalation, more training in dealing with mental illness, and I'd like to see better accountability for abuse of power? George Floyd was not this shit stain's first victim.
I'd also like to see sentencing reform for non-violent crimes, and I'd like it to be easier for convicted felons to actually be able to reform themselves and contribute to society in a legal way.
The first modern police force was only established in 1822 London - the idea that police are a necessary aspect of human society is as flawed as saying capitalism is a necessary aspect of human society. Following that thread, it's not a coincidence that modern day policing was established by merchants at the start of the industrial revolution. I known the propaganda "protect & serve" is relentlessly thrown at us, but it's a truth that the fundamental function of the police is the protection of private property and social control.
The police force should be completely abolished, but that's not a conversation most people are ready to have.
If we're talking about immediate changes possible: community-based policing. There should be a requirement that police members actually live in the communities they patrol - this alone has a massive effect on increasing police accountability. It's not so easy to be an asshole cop when you can't just take off your uniform and leave it all behind when you go home. Cops don't need to be anonymous stormtroopers.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: ShroomDoom]
#26708987 - 05/31/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been obnoxious. People dont want to understand the reality if race relations. Its ugly, unreasonable, and there is no way to placate them.
They wanted instant justice. Thats not how it works. Hed have burned in the police station if they did.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gtsaam/please_make_this_go_viral_i_am_begging_you_police/
Cops shooting black people filming from their porch. But police brutality against blacks isnt systemic
Do you know whst systemic means?
https://abc13.com/tv-crew-shot-news-with-pepper-balls-wave-at/6221562/
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#26708993 - 05/31/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to?
What I personally would like to see is not necessarily impotent cops, but more training in deescalation, more training in dealing with mental illness, and I'd like to see better accountability for abuse of power? George Floyd was not this shit stain's first victim.
I'd also like to see sentencing reform for non-violent crimes, and I'd like it to be easier for convicted felons to actually be able to reform themselves and contribute to society in a legal way.
The first modern police force was only established in 1822 London - the idea that police are a necessary aspect of human society is as flawed as saying capitalism is a necessary aspect of human society. Following that thread, it's not a coincidence that modern day policing was established by merchants at the start of the industrial revolution. I known the propaganda "protect & serve" is relentlessly thrown at us, but it's a truth that the fundamental function of the police is the protection of private property.
The police force should be completely abolished, but that's not a conversation most people are ready to have.
If we're talking about immediate changes possible: community-based policing. There should be a requirement that police members actually live in the communities they patrol - this alone has a massive effect on increasing police accountability. It's not so easy to be an asshole cop when you can't just take off your uniform and leave it all behind when you go home. Cops don't need to be anonymous stormtroopers.
Yeah, as someone who's been a victim of violent crime before I definitely do not think that the police force should be abolished. It's not a binary issue to me.
I do agree with community based policing though. One thing I would like to stop is the ability to get fired for misconduct at one station and then just hop to the next town over and get a new job without anyone batting an eye. That's some bullshit.
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#26708994 - 05/31/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why don't you just fuck off back to storm front where you belong? Most normal people here are sick tired of your racist ranting. 4
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#26708998 - 05/31/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to? There are going toQuote:
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specialpeopleclub said: Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
Why are some many whites on the streets protesting/rioting as well?
Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
What I personally would like to see is not necessarily impotent cops, but more training in deescalation, more training in dealing with mental illness, and I'd like to see better accountability for abuse of power? George Floyd was not this shit stain's first victim.
I'd also like to see sentencing reform for non-violent crimes, and I'd like it to be easier for convicted felons to actually be able to reform themselves and contribute to society in a legal way.
I agree, total reform is needed. The reform that is needed also goes beyond just the criminal justice system. We also need economic reform for the working class. These protests aren't just fueled by police abuse, the frustration is fueled by any different aspects of life in the US today.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues]
#26709006 - 05/31/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I miss my city man. Folks cleaning up last night's mess in Philly.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/us/clean-up-protests-trnd/index.html
Folks cleaning up in Minneapolis.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/video/4571801-womens-march-of-illinois-volunteers-for-cleanup-in-chicago-loop-following-violent-protests/
Women's March volunteering to help clean up Chicago.
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/downtown-seattle-protest-cleanup/281-6d71487c-1951-4ef8-a86d-be02e480f684
People band together to help clean up Seattle.
Always keep it in perspective folks 
Oh cute the little bourgeois slaves want to pick up the pieces instead of letting the corporate masters do it
Fuck cleaning the cities. Burn them again.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26709011 - 05/31/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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i havent seen vids of people attacking biz other than white ppl and cops
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: ShroomDoom]
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specialpeopleclub said: Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
Is it so hard to believe that there are white people sympathetic to systematic oppression and killing of blacks by police? You idiot racists have to do so much mental gymnastics it must be tiring. Black people aren't the only ones sick and tired of this shit clearly there are many people of other races who sympathize. Also im sure a lot of whites and other races were there because riots are fun. It's not that complicated.
Other races not only sympathize, they're victims to the same exact abuse. That's why they're out there in the streets, it's not just for blacks.
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qman said: Yes, communities that commit more crimes have more police interactions, and more police interactions equals more victims of abuse and corruption. So yes, this obviously needs to be addressed to get real on the issue. It's not some grand conspiracy against black people.
You see this is the victim blaming mentality that fails to address the intersectionality of issues that go along with crime in communities of color. "If only they'd commit less crime" Is what racists say to try and gloss over 400 years of institutionalized oppression and the resulting disparity in policing as somehow the victims' fault. Clearly its not a demographic issue as police encounter white people every day at a greater extent than minorities because of population statistics. Its an issue of institutionalized racism and police brutality not "black people commit more crime."
Nobody is victim blaming, more interactions equals more police abuse. So yes, more crime equals the potential for more abuse. We can ask why blacks commit more criminal acts, but that's a discussion for another day in my opinion.
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#26709038 - 05/31/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’m concerned the riots will lead to even stricter security measures being enforced in general, with a sliver of slack in the rope around police-citizen interactions to appease the masses.
These are the perfect conditions for something big happening. And Out of all the ways to rebel against the current system...people choose police ? Ugh.
Corona virus + historic unemployment + large swaths of the population without any or much savings + debt + overall dissatisfaction with the times + divided nation + elected representatives too proud to set aside differences to work together for the greater good of the nation + president trump = ?
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues]
#26709039 - 05/31/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: Yeah, as someone who's been a victim of violent crime before I definitely do not think that the police force should be abolished. It's not a binary issue to me.
So why make it a binary issue between 'having police' and 'having no protection from violent crime'? Modern day policing has only existed for 200 years - human communities weren't hopelessly vulnerable to violent crime before then.
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#26709057 - 05/31/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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vinsue said: Why don't you just fuck off back to storm front where you belong? Most normal people here are sick tired of your racist ranting. 4
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Maybe have some nuance. They are ridiculous. Normal people are idiots, everywhere. They think things, such sas that the US would be similar or improved if america was 60%,70%,100% ethnic, probably mostly mexican/hispanic in reality. Pointing this out isnt hate, its a beliefe people actualoy express. Its mental illness. Why wouldn't mexicans bring mexico here? Does the land make you mexican?
Tibet likes how the chinese are actively trying to replace them too.
It isnt being done consciously here, as it is in Tibet. We arent having as many kids, and 60 million immigrants in the last 70 years have been imported.
I dont want anyone to be genicided. I can see how the world turned its back on the race crime in south africa though. They wont be nice to us here either. Id like a real solution too, but if we become targets for our skin and percieved opression, i choose me and people like myself first.
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