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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] 5
#26708797 - 05/31/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Getting shot or killed with force by the police isn't a leading cause of death for any other demographic other than young black men.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-08-15/police-shootings-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men
So yeah, it is a racial issue, the numbers don't lie. It's a question of why. And there is no one answer, to suggest so is completely intellectually disingenuous. Past oppression through tactics like redlining(if you're not familiar) has consequences, systemic racism, and multi generational poverty has consequences. The militarization of police forces, and other atrocious things like rejecting applicants for scoring too high on IQ tests, neglecting training on how to deal with mental illness..all of it is an issue. And it's having very real effects that you can measure statistically, so imo, to ignore this as a racial issue, is to ignore a basic truth.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman]
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: ShroomDoom] 1
#26708801 - 05/31/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cops kill more of us and we dont riot. They just take excuses to blame us
The systemic systems of opression.
they slaughter us and people still talk 'racism'. Something like 90% of interracial crime is b/w
Anyone see about the fbi agent killed?
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: shivas.wisdom] 4
#26708825 - 05/31/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do you mean you don’t riot? White people? “You’ve” been rioting for days.
You’re so racially biased that you look at a crowd of whites, blacks and browns and see a black riot.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: koods]
#26708837 - 05/31/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because some of us are in there it isnt a race riot?
We must be seeing differant events.
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#26708841 - 05/31/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] 4
#26708842 - 05/31/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It’s not a race riot. How can you be so clueless about this issue?
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: koods]
#26708846 - 05/31/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26708857 - 05/31/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ideas are more important than the ones putting them forward. That alone speaks volumes. Tell me one great political upheaval that looked pretty.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: koods]
#26708859 - 05/31/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cracked Egg said: The racist pot has been stirred exponentially since he entered the office and has only made it worse.
No, trump has nothing to do with what's going on currently, but he does have a lot to do with the bigger racist picture.
This isn't a racial issue, it's a corrupt and unjust criminal justice system that affects ALL US CITIZENS.
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koods said: It’s not a race riot. How can you be so clueless about this issue?
It is 100%.
We the people are tired of the police force abusing their power in order to push their racist bullshit.
Not saying that some of these "of color" individuals did not deserve to be shot at, but most did not.
It is not suppose to be a shoot to kill force.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26708867 - 05/31/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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qman said: Why did BLM's fail as a movement? Because it's exclusively about police abuse of only non-white citizens, that's an instant divide based a race.
It failed because white conservatives generally dont give a shit. They either ignore such protests or get aggro and create counter movements like blue lives matter/back the blue ect. Its pretty obvious where Collin Kaepernicks peaceful protest got him and the blowback following including the president weighing in. The same people are shouting "its hurting your cause learn to protest peacefully," right now after bashing Kaepernick for doing so months ago. There's really no appeasing racists they just want black people to take their oppression silently. Part of it is guilt part of it is apathy and selfishness.
The counter movements are inevitable once the divide on the issue is created. The MSM and political system creates the divide based on race for obvious reasons.
Stop making police abuse movements exclusive to non-whites, it's the guaranteed method to make sure the issues aren't addressed in any meaningful manner.
If you alienate people suffering from the same oppression, don't be surprised when you don't get equal support on it.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues]
#26708884 - 05/31/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: Getting shot or killed with force by the police isn't a leading cause of death for any other demographic other than young black men.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2019-08-15/police-shootings-are-a-leading-cause-of-death-for-black-men
So yeah, it is a racial issue, the numbers don't lie. It's a question of why. And there is no one answer, to suggest so is completely intellectually disingenuous. Past oppression through tactics like redlining(if you're not familiar) has consequences, systemic racism, and multi generational poverty has consequences. The militarization of police forces, and other atrocious things like rejecting applicants for scoring too high on IQ tests, neglecting training on how to deal with mental illness..all of it is an issue. And it's having very real effects that you can measure statistically, so imo, to ignore this as a racial issue, is to ignore a basic truth.
Yes, the abuse is disproportionately found in non-white communities for a large variety of reasons and death rates shouldn't be the only metric when measuring the corruption and abuse.
If you want to isolate the people that can actually affect real change, then by all means continue with the race exclusivity on the issue. The fact of the matter is that it affects all US citizens and a united front is much more effective than a divided one.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] 2
#26708887 - 05/31/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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edit: this is in response to your post above the last one fyi, you snuck that one in right as I was submitting lol
Again though, it's not the same level of oppression. This study lays out the evident disparities in police brutality(I can drag up more if you'd like, the numbers do vary a little depending on the study, but they all come to the overall same conclusion, and the numbers are still overall pretty dramatic).
32% of police related fatalities was attributed to black people despite them making up only 13% of the population, and also being about 5% less likely to be armed than white people in this particular study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/
Don't get me wrong, mass incarceration and draconian punishment is an issue that effects us all - I think it's an issue that the BLM movement is also concerned about and is pushing for reform on. Different movements and aim for similar goals and cooperate together. It's called solidarity. And there are tons of people of all colors who are part of different movements, who are part of no movements at all who are out there showing it. It doesn't mean they're not also fighting for themselves, and it doesn't mean that BLM doesn't also show solidarity for other police reform movements.
Maybe you're right and we do need a more holistic approach, a larger one. But it has to be one that's inclusive of the disproportionate issues that black people deal with - until we hit that point we're gonna be operating like a patchwork quilt. We need to fucking get along.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26708893 - 05/31/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
Why are some many whites on the streets protesting/rioting as well?
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] 4
#26708908 - 05/31/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to? There are going toQuote:
qman said:
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specialpeopleclub said: Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
Why are some many whites on the streets protesting/rioting as well?
Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: qman] 1
#26708910 - 05/31/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26708917 - 05/31/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to? There are going toQuote:
qman said:
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specialpeopleclub said: Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
Why are some many whites on the streets protesting/rioting as well?
Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
What I personally would like to see is not necessarily impotent cops, but more training in deescalation, more training in dealing with mental illness, and I'd like to see better accountability for abuse of power? George Floyd was not this shit stain's first victim.
I'd also like to see sentencing reform for non-violent crimes, and I'd like it to be easier for convicted felons to actually be able to reform themselves and contribute to society in a legal way.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26708926 - 05/31/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to? There are going toQuote:
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specialpeopleclub said: Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
Why are some many whites on the streets protesting/rioting as well?
Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
Yes, communities that commit more crimes have more police interactions, and more police interactions equals more victims of abuse and corruption. So yes, this obviously needs to be addressed to get real on the issue. It's not some grand conspiracy against black people. Cops now come in all different races, genders, sexuality, religions and other demographic factors and the results still remain the same outcome.
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#26708927 - 05/31/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
Is it so hard to believe that there are white people sympathetic to systematic oppression and killing of blacks by police? You idiot racists have to do so much mental gymnastics it must be tiring. Black people aren't the only ones sick and tired of this shit clearly there are many people of other races who sympathize. Also im sure a lot of whites and other races were there because riots are fun. It's not that complicated.
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Re: Chaos in Minnniapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Lloyd [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26708933 - 05/31/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said:
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specialpeopleclub said: Itd be nice if we could have some town hall type events all across the nation and help each other explain what we want.
I know people want cop demilitarizaation. Do we want impotent cops? Do we address that some communities commit more crime, so there are more cop interactions? What standard does the uniform hold you to? There are going toQuote:
qman said:
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specialpeopleclub said: Its obviously a race riot. They are acting like idiots under the excuse that its about cops killing an innocent person.
Why are some many whites on the streets protesting/rioting as well?
Opportunity, self hatred, being 60% of the nation, people brought up to have no racial identity except tolerance
What I personally would like to see is not necessarily impotent cops, but more training in deescalation, more training in dealing with mental illness, and I'd like to see better accountability for abuse of power? George Floyd was not this shit stain's first victim.
I'd also like to see sentencing reform for non-violent crimes, and I'd like it to be easier for convicted felons to actually be able to reform themselves and contribute to society in a legal way.
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