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Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed
    #26708628 - 05/31/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hey everyone,

Background:

1.5L fully colonized brown rice cakes,
Spawn to Substrate with 162.5g coir, 0.5L verm, 0.062L spent coffee and 1L of water.
RH averaged at 95% with temps of 26 degrees centigrade.
Currently sitting in a 36x22x8.2cm (6L Propagation tray).

My sub was 100% colonized (on top) by the 4th day and out of habit, I put a layer of verm over the top to help with pinning on the 7th day. At this point I initiated fruiting conditions. So fanning between 4 and 5 times a day, misting between 3 and 4.

Day 11 and overnight I have one mushroom which looks to be about 3cm tall, with another just next to it. The whole substrate does have myc popping through the verm layer and I can see some which are starting the primordial stage.

Issue here is there doesn't seem to be equal pinning. This was subject to room ambient light (East facing window).

To try and get around this I've placed the tray under 6500k CFL in a slightly higher temp (27 degrees, ~RH 95%, 10" away)

Would it be worth leaving as it is, fanning and misting as usual under the CFL and giving it a few days?
Reduce misting but keep up fanning?
Pick out the mushroom to help the others?

The sub has not had any dunking performed as I've read you'd only want to do this with PF tek styled cakes? This was going to be performed after the 1st flush to rehydrate.

I think for next time I'm going to do without the verm casing and chuck it under 6500k on the 7th day not the 11th.

Any contribution will be appreciated.

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26708838 - 05/31/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26708879 - 05/31/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You shouldn’t have to mist that many times a day.. I usually only have to maybe mist once before first flush and that’s in the middle of winter.  But I don’t see a whole lot wrong besides that.. do you usually use spent coffee?  Coffee was a big trich attractor when I used it.. didn’t happen every time but I eventually found it to be more trouble than it’s worth.

Id cut the misting out until it flushes or looks dry.  What kind of fruiting chamber set up are you using?  The fanning isn’t necessary unless the tub is completely sealed or something but if that’s the case, if you’re using an unmodded tub, just crack the lid.

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: fahtster]
    #26708901 - 05/31/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The idea of Misting 3 or 4 times a day would be to keep the RH up in between fanning and increase the rate of evaporation to induce pinning. I'm fanning quite a bit due to the FC they're sitting in, It has 3 slits at the top and I can't get my SGFC out at the moment to have sufficient FAE.

This is the FC: 6 Litre Propagation

There's no perlite in the bottom of the tray, it's just the substrate and black liner to help get it out for dunking after the first flush.

I'll cut this out if you still feel misting isn't necessary. I've not used coffee before hence the small amount but currently no weird smells coming from the sub, it's got that nice fresh mush smell and no signs of contamn whatsoever. I've seem some really nice grows on coffee but tried to stay clear from over doing it on the first attempt.

Tempted to get the SGFC out and place the tray on top of like 6" perlite, that would be the ideal situation really and then, i could minimize the misting.

There's 3 "pins" in total in that one corner now...... bit strange. It's definately trying to fruit. So do you need to drop the RH when initiating the fruiting stage?


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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26709050 - 05/31/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You don’t need the sgfc.. the FC you have should be fine.  The substrate inside should provide plenty rh.  You’re not really allwing for evaporation if you’re just misting right after fanning.  If you don’t like the results you’re getting now, I’d suggest cutting your misting/fanning at least in half for a couple days and see if that improves things.

Most of the time if you just leave a grow alone, it’ll do its thing and put out a good flush.  The slots on top should be enough for FAE, but I’ve never used anything like that before, but it’s basically just a shoe box and the gap between the lid and tub on a shoe box is sufficient FAE.  Here’s the link for mushboys shoe boxes so you can check out the similarities https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24038695

I’m glad the coffee is working for you so far.. that was just a heads up to you if you do see some problems with trich, that’s the first place I’d start.. based on personal experience.  The maybe little bit of boost in fruiting I saw with using them didn’t out weigh the trouble I had with using it, in the end.

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: fahtster]
    #26709065 - 05/31/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry I usually fan for 5 minutes after taking the top off and then mist again.
I'll stop this and see how it improves over the next few days.

I didn't think the slits at the top would of provided decent fae but again we can only find out. I'll leave these 100% open.

Thank you for the heads up :mushroom2: I'll be sure to keep an eye out for this.


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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26710610 - 06/01/20 06:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Total of 4 pins are showing.

Would it be worth plucking the biggest one to distribute pin level or, would it be best to leave it as it is to not cause stress?

I guess it takes 4 days for pinning to initiate but it is the 3rd day since the first one appeared.


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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26710772 - 06/01/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Up to you but I’d just leave it.. you can always just pick the quicker fruits as they mature

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: fahtster]
    #26710805 - 06/01/20 07:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah only reason I ask is because some people report that the nutrients can go to the early riser and stunt growth across the substrate. Not sure how true that is with bulk in this manner?

I've started to notice a few more smaller pins popping through. Should never have put this verm layer on. I'll take pics tomorrow when they're a little more established.


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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26710838 - 06/01/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I’ve heard that too.. my take on it is that you’re never guaranteed more mushies, so I never pull healthy fruits and if it doesn’t put those nutes in the big one, it’s just going to put them in other fruits... means the same thing to me, but if you want to do it, go for it, ‘tis your tub.  I’ve always wanted to try pulling all pins except one just to see how big the one would get lol. But never had the cojones. 

I don’t think the verm layer is hurting much unless it’s super thick

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: fahtster]
    #26725632 - 06/07/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Just picked 360g~ fresh from first flush.

Ended up finding a balance with that FC.

The slits at the top weren't great for FAE so i made an attempt to adjust via the top. This didn't work but i minimized fuzzy feet.

So i eneded up lifitng the lid by 1cm to increase FAE.

Thank you for your help, just dunking for a few hours before it goes back :P


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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: Psilocybeater112]
    #26726207 - 06/07/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice!  Glad you found the balance you needed. :thumbup:

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Re: Psi. Ecuador Fruiting Stage - Advice needed [Re: fahtster]
    #26726692 - 06/07/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It's like fine tuning a car isn't it. Gotta take it out for a spin to really get a grip on the situation.

Taken a flesh clone of a few particular juicy looking ones, placed into a jar for colonization. Day 3 and it's starting to grow, the bloody things are sterile so no spores. But on a more positive note, at least I don't run the risk of the myc going into colonization.


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