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OfflineMushroomancer
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Help me to become better at id
    #26707033 - 05/30/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey there i am trying to get better at identifying since im a absolute neewbie... So i went outside today and found some shrooms and tried to id them. a little insight of your methods would be highly appreciated so i can learn the process!
So here are bunch of orange fellas:

I found them on a stem in a grassy field (western europe)
Cap is even, some are round others are pancake shaped (what would you describe them like to id?)
Gills are emarginate or decurrent (correct?)
Stem is darker brown and hollow, felty(?) towards the bottom
Spores i would think are creme white as the gills (i didnt see any prints on other shrooms)
No bruising color and no milking.
Im thinking Kuehneromyces mutabilis , some Cortinarius (but the gills dont match) or Pholiota astragalina


Next up this little guy with the cap of an older specimen


Found in a grass field.
Cap is caramel on most specimen
Gills are free or adnexed
Stem is white, fibrous, hollow and no bruising color
Spores Cant say but i think also gills color, maybe slightly brownisch

Anyways thanks for your time and have a good day
Peace


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Re: Help me to become better at id [Re: Mushroomancer]
    #26707157 - 05/30/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome!

Kuehneromyces mutabilis seems right to me for #1, but i have never seen it in person so i am not sure.

Wish I could be of more help with ID'ing your mushrooms :O
I can share with ya how i try to get better at mushroom Taxonomy though.

#1 for sure has been taking pictures anytime i find a fresh healthy mushroom I am unfamiliar with, sniffing it and getting it ID'd then reading about it online! Hands on xp has taught me more than anything else.

#2 Find local forays you can attend, learning hands on directly from people with xp is siiiiik

#3 Watch what mushrooms get posted on places like this forum, inaturalist posts from your location, mushroom observer etc... and reading about those mushrooms.

#4 I sometimes even bust out a composition book when I want to really study and list out all the species of whatever Genus I want to get better at that occur in my area.
Then 1 by 1 I Research all about each species and write down everything I can learn. I Make sure to leave some space for each species so I can come back and Write specific things that separate them from similar species in the genus you study later.

Good luck brother!! :mushroom2:


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Re: Help me to become better at id [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #26708176 - 05/31/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks a lot alchemist!
What do you use for online id? i find mycokey.org and this danisch website image recognition useful https://svampe.databasen.org/imagevision (not sure where i found these links, maybe even on this forum here :laugh:)


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Re: Help me to become better at id [Re: Mushroomancer]
    #26708508 - 05/31/20 05:45 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

North American Mushrooms: A Field Guide To Edible And Inedible Fungi - by Orson Miller and Hope Miller.

This is THE best book for easy identification using the dichotomous key.  Used in college for my Fungi class and it was incredibly useful.

Be sure to get the 2006 (latest) version. $20 on Amazon


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Re: Help me to become better at id [Re: OrlandoPsychonaut]
    #26708746 - 05/31/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The first ones are Armillaria (Honey Mushrooms). The features you should be noting are:

Growth directly from wood
Gills subdecurrent (running down the stem a little)
White spore print
Prominent ring on stem (check young ones, as rings sometimes disappear)
Note the different textures of the stem above and below the ring
Note the hairs/scales on the caps
Check the bases of the stems for rhizomorphs (Armillaria produces prominent *black* rhizomorphs that can glow in the dark) - Don't cut off stem bases unless you're cleaning them to be eaten


The second one doesn't have enough information to make a good guess as to genus. You cut one in half to see the gill attachment - that's a good habit to get into. Note the stem base - look for features like rhizomorphs that will tell you that the mushroom is a saprotroph. If I had the specimen in hand to ID, I would probably start by doing microscopy on the spores - their size, shape, color, smooth/ornamented, and stain reactions would go a long way toward identifying the genus.

Cap color is greatly overused by beginners in identification. While it can be important, you need to be also looking for if the caps are hygrophanous or if they fade or change color due to sunlight or rain.

When getting a spore print color, be sure you do a spore print on white paper (any white paper will do).



The Orson Miller book is excellent. Regrettably, Orson died as the book was being completed, and he didn't do the index. As a result, the index is not up to the same standard as the rest of the book. Don't let that discourage you. It just means that you shouldn't rely on the index in it as much as you might otherwise.


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