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using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather)
    #26706959 - 05/30/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So I've been eating some delicious hulled sunflower seeds - I'm not a parrot, after all. I am aware that the hulls make them float, but with the hulls removed they sink like MFs.
I put some in water and put it in the microwave, and they seem to hold their form well during the soak.

I am just curious if someone's used hulled (hulls removed) sunflower seeds as a spawning medium? The reason I am opting for this is first its tasty and also they seem to take a reasonable amount of moisture, too, if you pinch them to break them open, compared to cracked corn whose shape is easier to destroy and thus softer, upon pinching. I've heard someone say on here that sunflower seeds take less moisture than grain - and let me disambiguate because the person mentioned he was using whole sunflowers whose woody hulls his azures apparently loved (and when I say grain I mean the ordinary wheat grain, or barley, I'm assuming, that everyone uses on here), but I have had successful grows on strictly wbs and strictly cracked corn. But to me, hulled sunflower seeds seem like an entertainable option, and I find it odd that there isn't a thorough write-up about it on here... and I mention an entertainable option because as I just mentioned they absord water well and seem to be less prone to turn into starchy mush than cracked corn, as although the woody husk has been removed, there still appears to be some filmy casing over them as you squeeze them... the seed I mean, no I'm not talking about casing layers t.y.

I will definitely soak some and inoculate next week...


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26706978 - 05/30/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Why not leave the hulls on and just do them like any other grain.
It works but there is more oil in the seed which makes prep tricky.
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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26707258 - 05/30/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

how do you mean it makes prep tricky?
getting the correct moisture content?


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26707274 - 05/30/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah because they produce more oil than most grains you can get an oily mess if not dried correctly.


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26707308 - 05/30/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I end up with a lot of them the last few jars of wbs I make.

Seems to work fine.


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: A.k.a]
    #26708368 - 05/31/20 02:43 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

you mean an oily mess after pressure cooking? I'm not sure how you reach the stage of oily mess?


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26748246 - 06/16/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Update. So about a week or so ago longer, like almost two weeks, I prepared some hulled sunflower seeds by soaking in hot water for a few hours after microwaving it, I drained it and rubbed the outsides dry on a cloth. It was still moist to the touch and they did not lose their consistency but you could squish them with the fingernail.
I left them in the jars and had neglected to pressure cook them. But I opened them up today, no contams or anything, just smells quite rotten (without having lost their shape or consistency as sunflower seeds). But it smelled rotten, almost like rotten meat, the sunflower seeds. I've chucked them in the bin, and am preparing a fresh batch which I will inoculate tomorrow.

But, point in fact:
there is no scent of mold on them,
but rather a rotten smell as if they themselves have rotted: I am curious if the seeds contains some antifungal agent... I wonder why they did not grow mold. It was done in the open air in a dirty kitchen with mold everywhere...


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater] * 1
    #26748374 - 06/16/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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PeterPumpkinEater said:But I opened them up today, no contams or anything, just smells quite rotten




The rotten smell indicates there is a contam. A bacterial contamination. My guess would be that some bacterial infestation outcompeted the mold spores and they were unable to germinate. Or the bacteria simply delayed the germination period of the mold spores and you'll see mold growth in the relatively near future.


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: Gan]
    #26753524 - 06/18/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hi, thank you Bacteria? It is truly the moust foul smell I have ever smelled, or near to it. Its hard to explain. It is truly foul. There is no mould as of yet.

Rotten meat and maggots do not come near the smell of rotten sunflower seeds that were soaked in water. My question is why yes you say they didn't contaminate with mold. But there is some inclination for them having to not be contaminated by fungi, but rather bacteria. I wonder why.

I mean its quite complete, the absence of any mold. Thank you for warning me...
sorry I'm a bit wasted on beer atm, it truly smells utterly foul. Long live bacteria. I wonder how the cubensis mycelium will do? not at all.
I should sterilize some fresh batches of sunflower seeds but my drunken attitude leaves me to neglect another batch, let's see if it rots too without mold, why don't we.

it will be three weeks later now just to obtain another rotten batch spoilt by nasty bacteria.

I think maybe when I sober up I must digress


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26753532 - 06/18/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Can u not find any grains where u live? Not even brown rice grain?


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26753542 - 06/18/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

i have little funds. I've made a educated alternative in the form of vermiculite with corn flour (for complex carbs) and aleurone in the form of wheat bran, aleurone being the component in BRF husk that allows for good mycelial growth, which is also found again in the aforementioned wheat bran.
I can get rice grain (but again wheat .

if you are wiling to donate me $20 i mght afford grains, but I can't afford it "lol" I literally cant. being white and unemployed in S. africa is not a joke mate. its kind of like being a prisoner on a slave colony actually. Being white doesn't help... we actually have a BEE (black employment equity) law here that prevents a lot of whites from even flipping fucking burgers, which I'd love to do, just to GTFO of here.


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26753588 - 06/18/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Did you rinse? and did a lot of the seeds float?... things that float are too soft and even then, if something is hulled, you don't need any hot water; just soak for 12 hours in cold water and you will see the volume of the grain increase.

I always go for unhulled because I don't have to begin soaking one day or night and have something in life come up that gets in the way of finishing the job the next day or night.  If the hull is left intact, and you decide to just do it that same night or day, an instant 7 min boil will be sufficient.

Besides, hulled sunflower seeds are particularly soft and you will get a starch sludge with ANY kind of hydration imo.  Something like hulled millet will only need a cold 12 hour soak.  I go for unhulled groats every time now with a 7 min boil.  And only add the groats after you get a rolling boil, not during the simmer leading up to it.


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26781567 - 06/25/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

There was a slight slick on the hulled sunflower seeds but no sludge like from cracked corn...

I've opted for vermiculite PF tek style jars anyways :p
the sunflower seeds rotted but did not get any contaminant molds...
not sure why they didn't contam. i wonder if they're laced with fungicides


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: PeterPumpkinEater]
    #26781638 - 06/25/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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There was a slight slick on the hulled sunflower seeds but no sludge like from cracked corn...

I've opted for vermiculite PF tek style jars anyways :p
the sunflower seeds rotted but did not get any contaminant molds...
not sure why they didn't contam. i wonder if they're laced with fungicides



The "slight slick" is usually sign of bacteria.  Bacteria can leave a 'sheen' or shine on grain.

Don't know why they rotted and no contams either :shrug:


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26782058 - 06/25/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I always got an oil slick from boiling the black oil sunflower seeds if that is what you mean. They are high in oil. If they rotted than it was bacterial.


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Re: using hulled sunflower seeds as spawn (not the floaty bits, the insides rather) [Re: Sockadin]
    #26789959 - 06/28/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

yes they didn't look rotten but it was a bad rotten small after two weeks at room temperature with not a single mold. conversely there was a open bowl of cereal I'd left open in the next room and it was covered in groon andfluffy grey mold (hairy nasty mold that you don't want to wash out), that's why that bowl was on that table so long. but yeah the hulled and soaked sunflower seeds didn't contam at all. I wonder why...
I really must get some again and inoculate this time and not be such a slouch, and post about it in the coming week or so during my holiday for sure...
I've made some PF jars the past few days, and had eaten the remainder of my sunflower seeds unfortunately... :p


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