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Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important 1
#26706205 - 05/30/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Discuss.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Loaded Shaman] 1
#26706256 - 05/30/20 02:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol dat burrrrnnn
You could read the quote via a critique of the word 'useless'. If society renders a decent proportion of its citizens 'without useful livelihood', then you might argue that those people would have a stake in damaging the fabric of that society.
Anyway, this dude sounds like he might have missed the point.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Loaded Shaman] 1
#26706263 - 05/30/20 02:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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We divide human drives into three groups: (1) those drives that can be satisfied with minimal effort; (2) those that can be satisfied but only at the cost of serious effort; (3) those that cannot be adequately satisfied no matter how much effort one makes. The power process is the process of satisfying the drives of the second group.
The "useless" people are definitely putting serious effort into satisfying their inborn needs, if you have the rioters in mind.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26706584 - 05/30/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This reminds me of the Mouse Paradise experiments from Calhoun. Maybe when a society is so pampered and free of problems, vigor is lost in the absence of struggle, and we strive to create artificial struggles to conquer.
Cross reference recent findings on longevity: occasional hunger, cold, and physical exhaustion contribute to health and long life.
Doesn't Taoistic teaching also discourage activism?
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Moses_Davidson] 1
#26706592 - 05/30/20 07:40 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can’t say for the whole, but I have found that activism attracts narcissist by the truck loads. “ LOOK AT ME, IM SPECIAL!”
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: chronotope999]
#26706672 - 05/30/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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chronotope999 said:
You could read the quote via a critique of the word 'useless'. If society renders a decent proportion of its citizens 'without useful livelihood', then you might argue that those people would have a stake in damaging the fabric of that society.
In my position of advantage, safe behind this side of the TV, everything that occurs on TV is entertainment. In that respect the rioters are not useless. The bulk of them maybe pawns in the hands of organized resistance fighting the 'fire' of police brutality with the 'fire' of civil indignation, but they are not useless; they may even appeal to my sense of justice. Dammit! Bring on the National Guard. Arrgh! (LOL)
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26706685 - 05/30/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I say George Floyd, you should want to go active even if you are not useless.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: redgreenvines]
#26706703 - 05/30/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: If I say George Floyd, you should want to go active even if you are not useless.
You propose restraint thru your voting pressure, no doubt, which includes the support of deadly force should the occasion deem necessary.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26706819 - 05/30/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a good point.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26706871 - 05/30/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: If I say George Floyd, you should want to go active even if you are not useless.
You propose restraint thru your voting pressure, no doubt, which includes the support of deadly force should the occasion deem necessary.
no support for deadly force at all what connected you up thast way?
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: redgreenvines]
#26706939 - 05/30/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
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Buster_Brown said:
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redgreenvines said: If I say George Floyd, you should want to go active even if you are not useless.
You propose restraint thru your voting pressure, no doubt, which includes the support of deadly force should the occasion deem necessary.
no support for deadly force at all what connected you up thast way?
I assume the expressed support by vote of a system of government includes the constitution of civil rights by default. By exercising your political opinion in support of your party of choice you accept expediencies provided by the constitution.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26706992 - 05/30/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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well I don't
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: redgreenvines]
#26707020 - 05/30/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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As a practicing citizen you don't vote for the governing party of your choice to uphold the constitution?
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26707172 - 05/30/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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expediencies?
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: redgreenvines]
#26707273 - 05/30/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Activism is something for useless people to do" ≠ "Activism is useless"
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Moses_Davidson]
#26707312 - 05/30/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Peaceful marches with a charismatic leader got shit done back in the day. Looting is a tool of anarchists, defended by the media. People of color are saying peaceful protests haven't done any good, so what else do they have left?
Instead of marching coherently and advocating for police policy reform (a knee to the side of the neck is accepted policy in that precinct, the officer was doing what he was trained to do), they demand justice for murder while polarizing the situation further and wiping away any chance of increased sympathy by privileged white people.
I don't expect any good outcome from these demonstrations. I expect the cop will be acquitted and there will be more rioting. It all further supports my dim view of humanity.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: redgreenvines]
#26707360 - 05/30/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Buster_Brown]
#26707528 - 05/30/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: expediencies?
creative remedies (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms#Interpretation_and_enforcement)
apologies for not following. thanks for this link.
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26709591 - 05/31/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important "
So someone sets themselves up as a judge of others....and then proceeds to determine they are superior...and we are supposed to take their philosophy seriously...?.....
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Re: Activism Is A Way for Useless People to Feel Important [Re: laughingdog]
#26709659 - 05/31/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Activism should be about making one's voice heard in a democratic forum. if it is more like terrorism, then there is something wrong.
The activists I know are not stealing people's attention, energy or lives. That is something I would not support.
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