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OfflineJohn Stossel
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5G for a first trip?
    #26705236 - 05/29/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I assumed previously that a good dose for a first trip (most likely golden teacher) would be 2-2.5 grams. I was talking to a friend of mine, though, whose first trip was 6 grams and who has tripped many times since then, who says that as long as he was there to sit me in a familiar and comfy location, i should start with 5 grams, as i am mainly interested in getting visuals. The main reason he is very confident in this dosage is because i mentioned that i do have valium available to me, which apparently acts as a highly efficient tripkiller. Still though, i have heard many different opinions on whether or not this is a good idea. What do you guys think?? Note that the only trips i have had before are 2 trips on DXM and i did not experience visuals, so it would be my first time hallucinating.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: John Stossel]
    #26705258 - 05/29/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It’s not necessary to take Valium if you have a difficult experience. You can learn from those trips too, maybe even more so.

I started at 3.5 grams. I would honestly recommend 1.7 grams first to see how you tolerate it. You can always take more but never less.

If you take 5 grams, panic and take Valium, I would consider that a failed first experience.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: WinterOwned] * 2
    #26705323 - 05/29/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Mushrooms are so much more than visuals. You need to keep that in mind before you go jumping into experiences you may not be prepared for. My first experience was also 3.5g and, although I had some incredible CEVs and tons of fractal OEVs, the real “meat” of the trip was the psychological and spiritual dissecting of my being. It was equal parts difficult and blissful.

I’d recommend not starting at 5g if all you’re seeking is visuals. Mushrooms can come with an extreme body load that may frighten those who haven’t had a similar experience or are expecting something completely different. Start lower to see if it’s for you because once you dive into a large dose, you won’t be able to choose wether it’s mind-bendingly visual or a complete spiral into the depths of your subconscious. And if you aren’t willing to plunge into the most beautiful and disgusting parts of yourself, you may have a really bad time. And definitely don’t plan your dosage based on “I have a benzo on hand”.

I personally would go anywhere between 2 and 3.5g if I were to give it to a first timer (I usually prefer 3g) but that depends on the strength of my mushrooms and set/setting.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26705473 - 05/29/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh definitely, I'm highly looking forward to the more spiritual side of things, don't get me wrong. But I would especially like to see visuals, you know? I always like to keep in mind respect for the power of psilocybin and the fact that it's not something to abuse for sure.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: John Stossel] * 1
    #26705495 - 05/29/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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John Stossel said:
Oh definitely, I'm highly looking forward to the more spiritual side of things, don't get me wrong. But I would especially like to see visuals, you know? I always like to keep in mind respect for the power of psilocybin and the fact that it's not something to abuse for sure.




Good mindset.

Visuals can be weird with mushrooms. What I mean by that is, from my experience, I rarely get OEVs and I need 2g+ for CEVs (more like 3g for solid CEVs).

But today I did 0.5g equivalent (I made tea with 5g fresh) APEs and I had some of the strongest visuals of most of my trips. Maybe APEs, due to their higher amount of actives, are more “visual”. Either way, I rarely got visuals when I specifically sought them. But that’s just my experience and I’ve yet to venture past 3.5g dry so take my advice with a grain of salt.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 2
    #26705508 - 05/29/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting!! Most of my other friends suggest 2.5g as a sort of golden dose and i believe thats what im gonna end up going with.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: John Stossel] * 1
    #26705660 - 05/29/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Doing drugs is like cooking with salt. You can always add, but you can't take away, and you don't want your food too salty! Start low. I started with 1 gram. Please be careful.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: WinterOwned]
    #26706214 - 05/30/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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WinterOwned said:
It’s not necessary to take Valium if you have a difficult experience. You can learn from those trips too, maybe even more so.

I started at 3.5 grams. I would honestly recommend 1.7 grams first to see how you tolerate it. You can always take more but never less.

If you take 5 grams, panic and take Valium, I would consider that a failed first experience.




Once you feel the mushrooms starting to kick in, it is already too late to take more!! Taking more mushrooms at this stage will lengthen the trip but in general will have no effect on the strength of the trip, as tolerance has already started.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: John Stossel] * 1
    #26706225 - 05/30/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don’t see any issue with your first dose 5g, considering your reasonable mind set, and a close friend who is experienced and who will be there with you.

Socrateshroom is right though; I do not take mushrooms for the visuals, they are a bonus of tripping, adding nice cute touches. But also be aware that at higher doses the visuals are wilder; and if you do have a difficult trip, the external visuals can be horrible.

Get any thoughts of benzos out of your mind; wrong mindset to be going into your first psilocybin experience already looking for ways out; you’re setting yourself up for a bad experience. You will be much better learning not to panic in a trip and ride it out rather than rely on a chemical escape route; besides, I’ve heard they take 30 mins to actually stop the trip, which seems pretty damn futile in my opinion - 30 minutes is one hell of a long time in a difficult trip......

You need to be excited, not worried, and you need to take the mushrooms with no expectations. Follow your friends advice, drop your expectations, have a very enjoyable first experience.

I tend to find mushrooms have a mind of their own; if I haven’t tripped in ages, or the last one was particulalrly challenging, the next trip always tends to be welcoming.

Also the comment about the number of chemicals in Penis envy strain;mfullymagree, whenever I have a trip from liberty caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) the open eye visuals are like cubensis with cannabis. Objects appear literally alive,not just morphing and warping, literally alive; dancing, heads turning towards me, etc...

Enjoy
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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26706242 - 05/30/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with DJ Ed. Take 5g. Hell, I would say fast beforehand and take it on a completely empty stomach. Trip your balls off and you'll know if this stuff is for you. Taking too little is how people have a bad time, they don't take enough to really blast off and they end up fighting it and trying to bitch out like you're talking about with the pills.

Fuck that mindset. Get ready, think about it, plan your intent, plan your day. Be totally relaxed and in control and yet tripping so hard you are absolutely astonished beyond words.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26706319 - 05/30/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

to be honest, if you only want to take mushrooms only to see visuals I think you should not do it at all.it can became mind bending journey to deepest parts of your mind kinda experience.
mushroom trip is a lot more than OEV or CEV.


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tyrannicalrex said:
Doing drugs is like cooking with salt. You can always add, but you can't take away, and you don't want your food too salty! Start low. I started with 1 gram. Please be careful.



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golden rule with any substance is to start small. you ALWAYS can take more.
maybe not on same trip ,next one.
'cause you will know what to expect from it.
you can't start running before you learn how to walk.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: totally_not_virus]
    #26706550 - 05/30/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

my first psilocybin trip was my 30g wet truffles, not sure what that converts too but it was strong!
In the correct environment it was more than fine.

i find open eyed visuals become ‘normal’ after while, you get use to the status quo.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: SuperMario940]
    #26707725 - 05/30/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hell, I've had 70+ trips and I would think two thousand times before taking 5g.

I would suggest less, if you're interested in visuals. Coz at some point, it's not about visuals anymore. I mean, the whole mind melts into some synchronous singularity stuff and it's impossible to tell if some event is a visual, or a thought, or a memory, or even something totally different. For me, visuals as such exist closer to 1-3g.

Another point, if you start with heroic dose, there is a higher probability of "this is too much, shit, shit, never ever again" outcome, whether you have vallium or not. But if you enjoy a smaller dose, you can always go further next time.

Anyway, it's your call. Whatever you decide, go for it and have a wonderful adventure.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: John Stossel]
    #26714283 - 06/02/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

5G would be bad vibes. Oh wait, you mean 5 grams of dried cubensis mushrooms.

That's a lot for your first time. The only situation I can think that I'd suggest that for a first time is if you were in need of some deep healing and only wanted to trip once in your life. If you want a trip an eighth should be eye opening, even a gram or two would be but an eighth will make more of an impression.

If you want a visual experience, I'd suggest to listen to music and close your eyes for a while. It's true that open eyed visuals on mushrooms can require higher doses, but a lot of alteration in your mind state comes alongside having a lot of visuals. Also, 'Hallucinations' or seeing something that isn't there, like actual objects or beings outside your body is extremely rare, it's more like patterns and waves overlaying the 'normal' world. The best I find are closed eye visuals, as then it can be an immersive 3D+ geometric experience.

I'd say mushrooms are medicine, you don't really need to add more medicine. I'd give your sitter the valium and tell them to not give it you unless you really really need it, which in most cases should be never. A benzo can kill a trip, because it is a polar opposite of psilocybin. They numb you and put you to sleep, mushrooms sensitize and wake you up. Blue pill, red pill.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: psysearch]
    #26714455 - 06/02/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah the 5g dose is for veterans and wild children. Lol I don't feel comfortable calling the high dose visual, it's visceral. All the senses are occupied. The visions are only a slice of the experience. The difference between reality and hallucinations in this state are minimal.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26716333 - 06/03/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Been tripping for 8 years and I still wouldn't fuck around with 5Gs, valium-on-hand or not.

Each to their own but I can pretty much garuantee 2-3.5G of cubes would be more than enough. If you really are chasing those visuals 3.5 sounds like a nice spot.


Edited by teenagehippie (06/03/20 03:47 PM)


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #26716352 - 06/03/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Been tripping for 8 years and I still wouldn't fuck around with 5Gs, valium-on-hand or not.

Each to their own but I can pretty much garuantee 2-3.5G of cubes would be more than enough. If you really are chasing those visuals 3.5 sounds like a nice spot.



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Been tripping since 1984 here, and I've only done 5g once and that was in 2003 after years of tripping.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26716381 - 06/03/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah 5 grams in my head is like where I might one day take my mind as a last resort, certainly not a first resort :dawerp:

Imagine showing a kid how to swim. They COULD have this rare/innate capacity to tread water by instinct, but you wouldn't throw them into a 5 metre pool on that chance.

Hell, to carry on the analogy maybe you throw em in and they can't swim but at least they don't fully drown...how likely are they to get back in the water again?

Dip your toes dude, the water feels good even if you aren't doing a 50ft dive into it.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #26716383 - 06/03/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

P.S if you decide to take our advice and dose a little lower and are underwhelmed by the visuals after a couple of hours take literally a couple of hits on some sativa.

It's a very easy way to add some fuel to your bonfire.


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Re: 5G for a first trip? [Re: teenagehippie]
    #26716389 - 06/03/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good one. I was actually thrown in a pool in the deep end by a hapf sister, I still remember the terror.:eek: I was probably 5-7yo, 55yo now.


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