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Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy
    #26704583 - 05/29/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys! I’m new here but I’m a long time psychedelic user. I got married several months ago but while my now wife and I were dating she had a blood clot (a pulmonary embolism) that almost killed her. She had to be put in the icu and have clot busting medicine for 3 days. Fast forward to now she is taking a common blood thinner called eloquis. On Monday we decided to eat some shrooms (penis envy) and she consumed about 2 or 2.5 grams. We were having a blast watching the trees move etc. we decided to take a hot shower together as we were both sort of cold. While showering she turned pale and said she felt faint. I assumed it was an anxiety attack bc it was her first trip on shrooms and they can be a bit pushy lol. She is experienced with lsd but often complains about leg pain at the end of the trip. Anyway I got her to sit in the shower and I turned it off. I noticed she was visibly pale. I helped her to the bedroom and we laid on the bed and cuddled but she still felt faint. After a bit I decided to give her a weak dose of etizolam to get rid of any anxiety (2mg) we would periodically go outside to smoke but other than that we spent the rest of the time cuddling. When the effects subsided we both slept for several hours. Neither of us are regular benzo users so we were both pretty tired. This whole ordeal was Monday. Today (Friday) she felt a similar feeling to when she was in the shower. It subsided after about 5 minutes. So my question is : are the dizzy spells likely caused by the mushrooms or possibly an interaction between the eloquis and psychedelics? Is it more likely something else is going on? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for reading and sorry about the long post!


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26704608 - 05/29/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds like you deduced it correctly with the blood thinner. Mushrooms have a similar effect so the two together can cause these symptoms.

Also Penis Envy is the rare cube that has mutated genetics and unique alkaloid content that breaks the rule: "a cube is a cube."


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26704669 - 05/29/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Would it still be having an effect today? I was under the impression that psilocybin was out of your system extraordinarily fast


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26704706 - 05/29/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes psilocybin is out of your system very quickly so any blood thinning effects experienced now are coming from the pharmaceutical blood thinner.

Depending on the medication*, take half of the dosage, or wait the 4-5 hours after consuming for the mushroom alkaloids to no longer remain active (they're still slightly active, only minute levels at this point) and then have her take her blood thinner medication.

Cubes, such as penis envy, have a very effective natural blood thinning effect so wait until you've both had a solid night sleep (no interruptions in REM cycles) are staying hydrated, and have an all around healthy set/setting.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26704708 - 05/29/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Etiz benzo & cannabis can both add to her blood thinner side effects  making them more pronounced & making her dizzy and or lowering blood pressure ...or making her more anemic.
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Sounds like a potential  interaction between her medication & psilcybin and/or etiz.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob] * 1
    #26704716 - 05/29/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This also sounds like classic symptoms of low blood pressure. I have not noticed this effect from mushrooms until recently, although I have heard a few on here report accounts of bad experiences that were put down to low blood pressure. It lasting a few days is slightly concerning thoug, mmybe the mushrooms have highlighted an underlying condition that needs to get investigated. Take care
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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26704723 - 05/29/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Be-careful with Penis Envy. It is highly active (some argue the genetics contain unique alkaloid/s not contained in any other cubensis strain) and not a mushroom to take with any plans of participating in any public setting.

Things like music festivals, casinos where other cubensis strains would lend a hand instead put you in another dimension due to the type/levels of DMT alkaloids.

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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26704766 - 05/29/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The benzos are only really for someone freaking out. If you are feeling bad like she was I wouldnt introduce more foreign chemicals.


Her leg pain reminds me of another user who had alot of leg issues as a result of 1p-LSD


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: O_Dweeds] * 1
    #26704786 - 05/29/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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some argue the (PE) genetics contain unique alkaloid/s not contained in any other cubensis strain





No it doesn't.  But that's only from ample first hand experience with all kinds of strains and several species as well.  :laugh2:  It just has more of everything, they are more similar to woodlovers than other cubes, in the proportions of known actives, that is.

To the OP's question, yes, the mushrooms can induce syncope but SFAIK that's not some sort of thinning effect, indeed, they increase BP slightly in studies.  They do affect the gut, slowing digestion, and since serotonin receptors are found throughout the body quite likely the flat muscles of the circulatory system, which could explain syncope I suppose...but I'm unclear about why it happens. :shrug:

Evidence for increase of blood pressure in some people:  https://www.psypost.org/2010/01/psychological-and-physiological-effects-of-psilocybin-48

Also, if you can decode it: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/9010308_Hasler_F_Grimberg_U_Benz_MA_Huber_T_Vollenweider_FX_Acute_psychological_and_physiological_effects_of_psilocybin_in_healthy_humans_a_double-blind_placebo-controlled_dose-effect_study_Psychopharmacologi

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The mean arterial blood pressure (MAP) was moderately elevated only 60 min following administration of HD PY. Neither EKG nor body temperature was affected by any dose of PY. TSH, ACTH, and CORT plasma levels were elevated during peak effects of HD PY, whereas PRL plasma levels were increased following MD and HD PY. PY affects core dimensions of altered states of consciousness and physiological parameters in a dose-dependent manner. Our study provided no cause for concern that PY is hazardous with respect to somatic health.




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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26704966 - 05/29/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Make a doctors appointment to have her checked out and inform them of her drug use.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26705004 - 05/29/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I've also done my fair share of work with PE, as well as almost every publicly discovered/traded cubensis strain over the last decade; it's funny to see there's still the "I've worked with it so there is nothing new to find" attitude even here on the shroomery. :tongue2:

Always something new to learn, always unseen details, and I do believe there are unique active (through mutation) alkaloids within the strain/s of PE.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #26705033 - 05/29/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Make a doctors appointment to have her checked out and inform them of her drug use.



This, especially since she had a life threatening condition not too long ago!!!


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26705170 - 05/29/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

We made a dr appointment! So we will get her checked out. She has felt great the rest of the day. It’s really bizarre.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #26705277 - 05/29/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, I've also done my fair share of work with PE, as well as almost every publicly discovered/traded cubensis strain over the last decade; it's funny to see there's still the "I've worked with it so there is nothing new to find" attitude even here on the shroomery. :tongue2:

Always something new to learn, always unseen details, and I do believe there are unique active (through mutation) alkaloids within the strain/s of PE.





You talking to me?  'Cause that's not my attitude at all and it seems you're just yanking my chain here.  So no thanks and have a good life.

Personal experiences are generally always personal.  What you believe is fine, but if you want real evidence, that's something else entirely.

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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26705530 - 05/29/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Please get her checked. These are not good signs at all. These are signs that the pulmonary thromboembolism is not very well controlled. It could be fatal as she did experience once, so please go with the doctor to check her.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26705538 - 05/29/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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We made a dr appointment! So we will get her checked out. She has felt great the rest of the day. It’s really bizarre.



YAY! Better to be safe in light of her previous condition. (I'm a nurse by the way)


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26707299 - 05/30/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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.....While showering she turned pale and said she felt faint. ....

.....So my question is : are the dizzy spells likely caused by the mushrooms or possibly an interaction between the eloquis and psychedelics? Is it more likely something else is going on? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for reading and sorry about the long post!






People experiencing low blood pressure and full on fainting from mushrooms seems to be pretty common actually...

Over all the years I've been around this place...I literally see at least one or two threads about this exact topic EVERY SINGLE MONTH, and I have for many years now.

Do a search around here for mushrooms/low blood pressure/fainting/syncope, and you should see tons of threads about it and will probably see me in each of the threads somewhere lol.

I know mushrooms/psychedelics are known to create vasoconstriction which would lead to an increase in blood pressure...but something wonky is going on with blood pressure & mushrooms specifically, because reports about people becoming light headed/dizzy or full on fainting/collapsing because of low blood pressure is very common around here.



So what your wife experienced after eating mushrooms is not out of the ordinary even for folks that don't take any sort of blood thinners....So I'd say the medication she takes isn't necessarily the culprit/main cause of her feeling faint but it likely didn't help.

I've fainted/collapsed from mushrooms before and have felt light headed & on the verge of fainting a few other times...A friend of mine has fainted/collapsed from mushrooms before...and at least once a month (for many years now) I see threads in this forum about people becoming light headed or experiencing full on fainting/syncope after dosing mushrooms.

This is another one of those monthly threads about people becoming light headed/fainting after eating mushrooms. It's a common topic I hear about around this place, to me it's nothing out of the ordinary.





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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: deathdefyingrob]
    #26707460 - 05/30/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure about what happened during the trip, but the recurrence of same feelings could be a kind of flashback, especially if she really freaked out that first time.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: kyu]
    #26707490 - 05/30/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I mean with the cannabis, mushrooms, blood thinner, and benzo activity the vasodilation from cannabis combined with the blood thinning effect from the medication - even sans cannabis the mushrooms and medication combined with the hot shower causing vasodilation and blood to move to the extremities and away from core areas and fluctuate while the blood thinner was doing the opposite could absolutely cause some fluctuations in blood pressure/blood flow that could make one seem feint and pale.  Then adding in cannabis afterwards and a benzo with the vasodilation of cannabis would further the fluctuations in blood pressure.

Regardless, take her to a doctor.  No doctor is going to care if you told them you tried mushrooms in a small controlled dosage once at all in a safe environment and care fully about her health.  Odds are it's nothing, but with that prior condition best to make sure it's not something.


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Re: Wife had weird side effects from 2.5 grams of penis envy [Re: openmind]
    #26708088 - 05/30/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

while my now wife and I were dating she had a blood clot (a pulmonary embolism) that almost killed her. She had to be put in the icu and have clot busting medicine for 3 days. Fast forward to now she is taking a common blood thinner called eloquis.

Did you read this part Openmind? It's best for her to see a doc in this case. I wouldn't dismiss it as a normal occurrence associated with mushrooms sometimes.


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