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Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… * 1
    #26704672 - 05/29/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

So I’ve taken Syrian rue more than any other plant medicine/psychedelic. It’s done wonders for my depressive tendencies and overall improved my quality of life without much trade off. Except…

The taste. I can’t stand it anymore. After drinking the tea dozens and dozens of times my body has developed a kind of knee-jerk gag reflex than makes drinking the stuff quite difficult. I haven’t thrown up yet but I’ve come damn close a few times and nothing would suck more than immediately vomiting up something you’ve just spent 30-45 min prepping.

So my question to you intrepid biochemical explorers is: what is your for go-to strategy dealing with the taste? I already boil it down to the minimum possible amount of liquid and swig it as quickly as possible.
I’ve read some people mix it with a bit of OJ?

The other day I absentmindedly brushed my teeth after preparing some tea, and thought I was in for a whole new universe of mouth disgust with the combination of the toothpaste flavour and bitter death taste of the rue. However the toothpaste actually masked it a fair amount – it was still very strong no doubt, but not that overwhelming mouth/throat coat of foulness.

I know the best solution is making an extract, but my lockdown co-habitation situation limits what I can get up to in the kitchen. So it’ll be at least another 2 months or so before that experiment happens. So until then – any tips?


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26704698 - 05/29/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Pills made from Miraculin extract?


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26704705 - 05/29/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26704714 - 05/29/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, true.  Avoid the taste altogether.  Idk how viable boofing Harma’s are but I’m sure there are some resources & experiences about it on the web.

The better you hold your nose, and combined with mixing the extract into a very heavily flavored drink (cherry Vanilla Coke or Orange juice etc - w/e works for you) + a shot to chase afterwards that down to get rid of residual taste.... the easier it can go down if your set on drinking it.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist] * 1
    #26704724 - 05/29/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Man up, son!!:kingcrankey:


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist] * 1
    #26704730 - 05/29/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You might try roasting, grinding and encapsulating them.  That will at least get them down.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26704737 - 05/29/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Or extract the pure alkaloids. It's easy. :smile:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24166041

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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26705104 - 05/29/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I don't use the tea, i always use capsules, i've consumed the raw seed powder in capsules, the roasted seed powder in capsules, freebased full spectrum extract in a capsule and freebased purified Harmala extract in a capsule, capsules are the way to go, extracts (preferably full spectrum) is the cleanest way to go, however roasted seed powder encapsulated is imo the best way to go if you want true full spectrum and wanna work with the actual plant compared to the extracts. The raw seed powder encapsulated works, but is rougher on the gut compared to the roasted seed powder.

To roast the seeds, all you do is preheat the oven to 350 degrees, put the whole seeds on a pan, and bake for approx 19 minutes or less, depending on the amount of seed you're roasting, you can also roast them in a skillet/pan on the stove top on like medium low to medium high heat, stirring here and there. Then you powder up the roasted seeds using a coffee grinder, and encapsulate the resulting powder. I haven't had any issues with nausea or vomiting using the roasted seed powder in capsules.

The extracts are easy to make though, and only require boiling up a bulk tea, reducing it down to like 400mls, add a splash of vinegar, and then some washing soda water which precipitates out the crude full spectrum extract, which can be filtered off, and cleaned  up a few times for pure full spectrum extract by redissolving it in acidic water, filtering, and re-basing with washing soda water. And then can be further purified, by dissolving it in acidic water, then diluted, heated up on the stove top, add salt, dissolve it in, sit in the fridge for a few days, and the purified Harmala extract is precipitated out, and it can be filtered off and kept as is or filtered off and based for the freebased form. When it comes to extract, i always use the freebased extract, it works just fine orally, and can be smoked, or used sublingually, even insufflated.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26706374 - 05/30/20 04:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Good advice. Chasers! I use strong chasers like fresh oranges when drinking San Pedro tea. Salty Vinegar chips help as chasers as well.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26706380 - 05/30/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I've done whats called parachute where you put some alkaloids in a joint paper and ball it up. Tear off the excess paper and swallow the parachute with a drink.worked well for harmalas.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist] * 3
    #26707969 - 05/30/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Then do an extraction.  Go to the Nexus for methodology.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26708794 - 05/31/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

All good info here guys, I really appreciate everyone chipping in to assist with my weak-ass stomach haha

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I haven't had any issues with nausea or vomiting using the roasted seed powder in capsules.




This is super interesting. I thought the whole point of tea was to filter out the solids because that's what caused the nausea, but taking roasted solids causes no nausea? I think I'll give this a try, hopefully it'll work well enough to hold me until I can do a proper extract.

Thanks again guys, you da bes :heart:


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Sabnock]
    #26708829 - 05/31/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Have you ever tried making a tea from the roasted seeds to see if the nausea being cancelled from roasting carries over to a tea?


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26708952 - 05/31/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The nausea from the tea is more from the strong gag reflex than the body load - after keeping things down initially it's generally smooth sailing from there. So roasted seeds in capsules seem to be the best bet for now, then full extract in capsules in future.

Unless roasting the seeds before making tea from them improves the taste?


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26708958 - 05/31/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It might make them taste funkier if you roast them before making a tea but there could be a trade off with the roasting cancelling out nausea.  So you would just have to pick your poison, taste or possible nausea..:shrug:


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Amanita86]
    #26709014 - 05/31/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, guess the only way to find out is to once again put many weird things in my mouth for science. Hmmm, foreseeing many "fun" experiments and results  :nyan: . Going through all this really is a testament to how good rue is though - I would probably take it everyday if it wasn't for the maoi interactions.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26709350 - 05/31/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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TheEschatologist said:This is super interesting. I thought the whole point of tea was to filter out the solids because that's what caused the nausea, but taking roasted solids causes no nausea? I think I'll give this a try, hopefully it'll work well enough to hold me until I can do a proper extract.




Well the roasted seed seems to get rid of some of the oils or what not that i think contributes to nausea and vomiting, so encapsulating the roasted/dried powder seems to do better than the raw powder.

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Have you ever tried making a tea from the roasted seeds to see if the nausea being cancelled from roasting carries over to a tea?




I have made tea once from the roasted seed, it was palatable/drinkable, but still tasted pretty bitter, not nearly as funky tasting as the raw seed tea though imo, but still kinda difficult to drink, so i prefer capsules, but as far as the roasted seed tea went, didn't notice any nausea or vomiting.

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The nausea from the tea is more from the strong gag reflex than the body load - after keeping things down initially it's generally smooth sailing from there. So roasted seeds in capsules seem to be the best bet for now, then full extract in capsules in future.

Unless roasting the seeds before making tea from them improves the taste?




Yeah the gag reflex is more what i'm concerned about when drinking a tea, as i mentioned above though the roasting may improve the taste a bit, i found it drinkable especially with some sugar and a little creamer added to it, but still tasted pretty bitter, may work out better if one could mix some sort of flavoring or something with it to help mask the bitterness.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Sabnock] * 2
    #26710412 - 06/01/20 03:51 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you already made tea out of the seeds an extract is easy to do.
Just filter your tea well, add some white vinegar, stirr well, then add some sodium carbonate solution untill the liquid turns white.
Let stand for a few hours to help settle down the solids, then filter out the precipitate, let dry, done.

You can clean up the crude extract to get it more pure, but basically that's it.
To clean it up just redissolve in water + vinegar, again add soda solution, filter out the solids.
Cleaned up twice it should lead to a white powder that is almost 100% pure harmalas. The first crude extract is brown and like 80% pure.

100g of seeds lead to ~3g of extract. 200mg of that is a full dose already, like 5g of seeds. Fits into a small capsule, no taste no nausea.

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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26716758 - 06/03/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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The extracts are easy to make though, and only require boiling up a bulk tea, reducing it down to like 400mls, add a splash of vinegar, and then some washing soda water which precipitates out the crude full spectrum extract, which can be filtered off, and cleaned  up a few times for pure full spectrum extract by redissolving it in acidic water, filtering, and re-basing with washing soda water.



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If you already made tea out of the seeds an extract is easy to do.
Just filter your tea well, add some white vinegar, stirr well, then add some sodium carbonate solution untill the liquid turns white.
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If I may ask, what's the purpose of the vinegar in this process? I downloaded a Willy Myco video a while ago where he makes extract using only water and lye - nothing acidic involved. I'm now wondering if perhaps following that video may not be a good plan. Unfortunately the video was taken down so I can't post a link to it (only have the mp4 on my comp).

Yeah I'm really looking to when I can finally do the extraction process - all the benefits of harmalas without the downsides! :cool:


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26716919 - 06/03/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I didn’t use any acid, just poured a strong solution of sodium carbonate and everything fell out.  Then I would use acid/vinegar when I would dissolve the freebase to do a manske.

I would pour a splash of vinegar into the water when I originally boiled the seeds though but once you have it boiled and filtered you can go straight to basing it.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26716922 - 06/03/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

If you’re in close quarters for lockdown you can also order extract on fleabay. DIY is cheaper but I don’t always have the time and it’s not too steep.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Spicy] * 1
    #26716929 - 06/03/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah sure, pure harmalas are legal in most places, and easily to find online. :thumbup:

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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Amanita86]
    #26718917 - 06/04/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn’t use any acid, just poured a strong solution of sodium carbonate and everything fell out.  Then I would use acid/vinegar when I would dissolve the freebase to do a manske.

I would pour a splash of vinegar into the water when I originally boiled the seeds though but once you have it boiled and filtered you can go straight to basing it.




Ok this is good to know, many thanks. I'll probs just go the straight lye route in that case.

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If you’re in close quarters for lockdown you can also order extract on fleabay. DIY is cheaper but I don’t always have the time and it’s not too steep.




Maybe I just have bad luck, but the last time I tried to order extract off ebay it didn't even make it out of the states :sad: They probably thought it was some kind of drug


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26718934 - 06/04/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Where are you located? There are shroomery sponsor vendors selling pure harmalas to the EU /US / UK, almost worldwide.

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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #26719112 - 06/04/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

South Africa :nyan:


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26719133 - 06/04/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sadly the vendor I have in mind doesn't ship to South Africa.

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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26719259 - 06/04/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Apologies to sponsors we love and are thankful for.

Definitely should always check there first!

I don’t know why I didn’t think of it for Harmalas, thanks Pandemoon


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26719276 - 06/04/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Sadly the vendor I have in mind doesn't ship to South Africa.
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Well damn, that's a pity :thumbdown:

I'll have to ship them to myself from my kitchen it seems


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26719943 - 06/04/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

It may just be that I’m a nerd but I thought making it was pretty fun especially if you do the manske and grow out those crystals.  That sort of thing I just like doing to see it happen..:shrug:

For the record you probably saw you can use sodium carbonate instead of lye and keep it ‘food safe’.  I’ve done it both ways and with the carbonate it takes a little more volume.  Lye I think works better though, but they both get the job done.

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Where are you located? There are shroomery sponsor vendors selling pure harmalas to the EU /US / UK, almost worldwide.

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Which vendors have extract?


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26719981 - 06/04/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Avalon Magic Plants. In the ayahuasca section.

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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Pandemoon] * 2
    #26720009 - 06/04/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Geez.  The seeds are legal.  The extraction is fairly straightforward.  Here's some peganum harmala ("Syrian rue") seeds in the process of being extracted under blacklight demonstrating the harmalas in solution, followed by the pure, final harmala citrate product.  The procedure is set forth at the Nexus.

 


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26720946 - 06/05/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

First post, after a while of lurking lol

I definitely vote for extraction, the whole process is fairly straightforward though you do need to do plenty of waiting when things boil, settle or are being filtered. I got about a total of 7 grams of alkaloids out of 100 grams of seeds, using a method I found at dmt-nexus. There was just over 5 grams from the main procedures and almost 2 grams from all the "leftovers" from the main procedures, I was surprised there was that much left in all the collected rinse liquids etc.

The powder that was left in the end has very mild taste compared to tea made out of the seeds, and the amount you must consume is absolutely minuscule compared to a full cup of very unpleasant tea, something between 50...100mg for making mushie trip even nicer.

At higher quantities the taste of the powder is just as bad as the tea though, few days ago I tried to trip on 400mg of alks and that's something I'll never try again  :puke:



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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: MindMeower]
    #26723582 - 06/06/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Very cool  :poast:

I'm considering buying a blacklight just to check out how rue glows in the dark...


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At higher quantities the taste of the powder is just as bad as the tea though, few days ago I tried to trip on 400mg of alks and that's something I'll never try again  :puke:






Looks good man! Isn't 400mg of harmala quite a hefty dose though? Like = 15-20g of seeds? Must of been quite an experience


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: MindMeower]
    #26725597 - 06/07/20 04:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Nice.  Put the powder in double O capsules!!!


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26728186 - 06/08/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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TheEschatologist said:Looks good man! Isn't 400mg of harmala quite a hefty dose though? Like = 15-20g of seeds? Must of been quite an experience



I have read that you can get a trip from harmalas on their own but the quantity needs to be quite high, many quoted more than 10grams of seeds. Curious cat as I am I decided to go for it. The 400mg figure roughly corresponds to 6 grams of seeds from my extaction, I figured I'd start more gently and see how it goes and I'm pretty glad I did so.

I looked forward to some extreme traces that I had been reading about but they weren't as strong as I hoped (but still cool), and I also saw pretty nice closed eye visuals and I was sort of in semi dreaming state, but all came at cost of extreme nausea. Any significant movement resulted in involuntary desire to evacuate the stomach contents and it lasted for at least 4 hours, during which I lied in bed, perfectly still and listening music so as not to provoke any more discomfort.

I suppose I could get the insane tracers with even bigger dose but the nausea is totally not worth it. I'll just stick to just 50..100mg range to boost mushie power from now on only lol


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: MindMeower]
    #26736840 - 06/11/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, that rue nausea will get'cha :hellokitty:

It's not really recreational at all, but still an oddly rewarding medicine. Similar to what you said, i also found lying perfectly still in the dark with some chill music or chanting on is the best approach. Whatever you do, don't rock the boat haha. Highest I've tried was 8g seeds (in tea) which was OTT even for therapeutic purposes IME. I think Shulgin took like 20g raw seed at one point in his experiments, god that must've been awful haha


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26750241 - 06/16/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

The smell of my house when I started the extraction process by boiling 4oz of seed was horrendous. For a while the smell was just bad but it kept getting stronger and the effects of the smell kept compounding and started getting to me. I had to cover my face with my shirt and run out of the kitchen to avoid throwing up. I definitely recommend opening the windows and turning on a fan before you start.


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: ItAintGotNoGasInIt]
    #26751454 - 06/17/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for that tip, good to know especially since i don't live alone  :loudnoises:


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Re: Need help with masking the taste of Syrian rue, don’t know if I can take it anymore… [Re: TheEschatologist]
    #26751488 - 06/17/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I actually didn't get any significant smell when I was doing the extraction, with the exception of vinegar smell. I did have a window open and also vent above the stove open so that probably made a difference also.


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