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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703320 - 05/29/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lc,
Me and so many others were the same like that in high school. :shrug:  Dbl standards. More a fantasy joke bc of hot teachers - but wouldn’t mind if it actually happened and all that.  The other way around & other variations seem grotesque though.

Then there were the Guy & gurl seniors that only dated freshman - Yeah.  Like budman said, they are probably all fkd up by now.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26703340 - 05/29/20 03:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It was common for girls to date one grade above them i.e. a sophomore dating a junior. There was one senior dating a freshmen and everyone thought that dude was creepy.




at my school the freshmen were predominantly with seniors, the most common statement I would hear was, I want to date a "real man".

I think that means someone with a car and money to buy them shit.

Most the girls I went to school with are my friends on facebook now, most of them I see still dating significantly older than them. One girl who was known to sloot around with seniors when she was freshmen just broke up with her 55 year old boyfriend, shes 30ish. THe whole time they were together it was the same shit I heard these thots saying in highschool. She bragged endlessly how nice it is to date a real man and she hates dating younger guys blaw blaw blaw. Blows my mind. I had to find a girl outside of the USA couldn't deal with these crazy American girls. Most of them can't even date for a year straight with the same person.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26703347 - 05/29/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Most people like to ignore it, but most of us when we were freshmen were competing in the social dating pool with seniors. Seniors tended do date freshmen. You think all those seniors just stopped dating freshmen the moment they turned 18 or graduated? I know a guy who girls found very attractive and he banged tons of freshmen when he was a senior and continued doing that well into his mid 20's and he slept with lots of girls who would lie about their age to him and when I was 16 He banged a girl who was like 13 or something and I said dude thats kinda messed up to him and he said so?

Long story short hes in his mid 30's right now and spends a lot of his time posting death to all pedophiles on facebook.




Yeah, think there is a definite skewing of data that takes place when accounting for underage sex in the form of teenagers
not meaning to minimize it as an issue, just recognize that the "sorts" of people associated with sexually abusing children under 10
are different from the much more common sort of individual that you refer to here

putting aside priests,
hear a lot of abuse from little league sports coaches
or other associations with extra curricular activities

think that cultural norms of perceived safety of boys being higher than that of girls
causes parents to unwittingly expose their children to abusers who use such mediums to prey on victims
whereas girls are almost "expected" to be targetted, and the parents are more protective

would not be surprised if data points showed that boys were more likely to be abused by someone outside the family while girls were more likely to be abused by family members


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman] * 2
    #26703349 - 05/29/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nice bud.

Damn Tantrika.. You just reminded me, at my high school we had 2 teachers (males) get fired for doing stuff with students. Possibly even 1 female teacher to.... Jesus thats a lot.  Also potentially a Catholic priest who was like a VP or principal for a decade..not 100% on the last 2 tho , they left under mysterious hush hush protocols. Holy fuck.

1 was a coach for a woman’s sports team, the other was like a history or English prof or something.  I always knew the English guy was going to go to jail one day.  He exuded it.  Oh private catholic school - what a trip.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman]
    #26703357 - 05/29/20 03:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Also I will add that almost every girl I have ever dated opened up to me and most admitted to sleeping with much older men when they were 12 or 13.

Other than my current wife, every girl I have ever dated admitted these things to me.




have known a number of girls who have been in this situation as well
and basically all of them were fans of the book Lolita
so maybe a character trait? 
or maybe just a pattern of abuse that brings them into a similar headspace?


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #26703364 - 05/29/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It was common for girls to date one grade above them i.e. a sophomore dating a junior. There was one senior dating a freshmen and everyone thought that dude was creepy.




Similar story at my high school
fun fact tho -- creepy dude also ended up in jail about a year ago being caught with child pornography

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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26703368 - 05/29/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Most girls tend to like older guys. It's extremely common and I think it is an evolutionary trait.

One rational is that an older man tends to be a better more experienced provide to take care of children they bear.

But any explanation for why is mostly speculation.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman]
    #26703373 - 05/29/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

That's weird man. If it's really that common, then maybe it was happening a lot at my high school as well. Don't remember it too well being 12 years out of it now.

A year or two difference was pretty common. Senior and freshmen is like four years. For some people that's nearly a physical adult and a kid barely into puberty.

And @OP, I never thought of pedophilia being separated from hetero/homosexuality. If a person is a pedophile, then he can be a heterosexual pedophile, or a homosexual pedophile. But really, they're just rapists since a child cannot give consent. I never really put too much thought into it personally.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703375 - 05/29/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

ONE OZ SLUG said:
It was common for girls to date one grade above them i.e. a sophomore dating a junior. There was one senior dating a freshmen and everyone thought that dude was creepy.




Similar story at my high school
fun fact tho -- creepy dude also ended up in jail about a year ago being caught with child pornography

fuck him




The guy at my higschool wasn't creepy he was extremely popular, had an expensive sports car and was extremely muscular, strong, six pack abs, chizzle jawed and just generally handsome girls flocked to him, he regularly had multiple girlfriends at once and would keep it secret from them all, hed get caught cheating all the time and they would always forgive him for it, one girl caught him cheating 10 times before she broke up with him when he was 20.

What separates the creepy guy in the work place from the non creepy guy?

Looks.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26703376 - 05/29/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Lc,
Me and so many others were the same like that in high school. :shrug:  Dbl standards. More a fantasy joke bc of hot teachers - but wouldn’t mind if it actually happened and all that.  The other way around & other variations seem grotesque though.

Then there were the Guy & gurl seniors that only dated freshman - Yeah.  Like budman said, they are probably all fkd up by now.




The double standards is an interesting factor
but really encourage watching the video
Sh0e selected a number of cases of boys who ended up damaged, regretful, etc.

she also reads tweets from one of her own fans who went through extensive abuse and tried to kill himself on seven occasions

basically, the normalization from jokes and social perceptions means that guys who already have less tools to work through these sort of things
are further limited in their ability to get help when it is most meaningful


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26703378 - 05/29/20 03:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman]
    #26703381 - 05/29/20 03:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ha


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26703382 - 05/29/20 03:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Nice bud.

Damn Tantrika.. You just reminded me, at my high school we had 2 teachers (males) get fired for doing stuff with students. Possibly even 1 female teacher to.... Jesus thats a lot.  Also potentially a Catholic priest who was like a VP or principal for a decade..not 100% on the last 2 tho , they left under mysterious hush hush protocols. Holy fuck.

1 was a coach for a woman’s sports team, the other was like a history or English prof or something.  I always knew the English guy was going to go to jail one day.  He exuded it.  Oh private catholic school - what a trip.




Sounds like you had some real adventures
biggest nontroversy at my high school was a couple of the science teachers would get high together and smoked up with some former students
Bio teacher was pretty hilarious; big Pantera and metal fan


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703384 - 05/29/20 03:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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budmanman said:
Also I will add that almost every girl I have ever dated opened up to me and most admitted to sleeping with much older men when they were 12 or 13.

Other than my current wife, every girl I have ever dated admitted these things to me.




have known a number of girls who have been in this situation as well
and basically all of them were fans of the book Lolita
so maybe a character trait? 
or maybe just a pattern of abuse that brings them into a similar headspace?





In college, I learned that most child sexual abusers were abused as kids themselves. It creates a vicious cycle of being abused then becoming abusers themselves. A sad reality :nonono:

Ive had several girlfriends talk about childhood sexual experiences. I would say its pretty common. It was also my experience in middle school that girls seemed more "sexual" than the boys in the way they acted, at least that what it seemed.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #26703388 - 05/29/20 03:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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budmanman said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

ONE OZ SLUG said:
It was common for girls to date one grade above them i.e. a sophomore dating a junior. There was one senior dating a freshmen and everyone thought that dude was creepy.




Similar story at my high school
fun fact tho -- creepy dude also ended up in jail about a year ago being caught with child pornography

fuck him




The guy at my higschool wasn't creepy he was extremely popular, had an expensive sports car and was extremely muscular, strong, six pack abs, chizzle jawed and just generally handsome girls flocked to him, he regularly had multiple girlfriends at once and would keep it secret from them all, hed get caught cheating all the time and they would always forgive him for it, one girl caught him cheating 10 times before she broke up with him when he was 20.

What separates the creepy guy in the work place from the non creepy guy?

Looks.




creepy dude in my case was into underage anime girls and shit even in high school
creepy interests

in retrospect, it is kind of surprising it took so long for him to get nailed for something
apparently what got attention on him in the first place was he shared a bit of his child porn on facebook


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26703395 - 05/29/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds like you had some real adventures




it’s own mini version of Apocalypse Now.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26703401 - 05/29/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
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budmanman said:
Also I will add that almost every girl I have ever dated opened up to me and most admitted to sleeping with much older men when they were 12 or 13.

Other than my current wife, every girl I have ever dated admitted these things to me.




have known a number of girls who have been in this situation as well
and basically all of them were fans of the book Lolita
so maybe a character trait? 
or maybe just a pattern of abuse that brings them into a similar headspace?





In college, I learned that most child sexual abusers were abused as kids themselves. It creates a vicious cycle of being abused then becoming abusers themselves. A sad reality :nonono:




Yeah, think that the abuse prolly leads to patterns of thought and behaviour that result in not understanding healthy sexual relationships
that is the challenge -- getting people recovered before they end up in a place to abuse

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Ive had several girlfriends talk about childhood sexual experiences. I would say its pretty common. It was also my experience in middle school that girls seemed more "sexual" than the boys in the way they acted, at least that what it seemed.




My very first girlfriend was abused by a man down the street in her childhood
my second had multiple guys she dated try to force her to do things, and was jumpy

can go on this trail, but yeah, it is the case for me as well that the majority of my partners have faced issues
statistically speaking, 1 in 3 women in Canada have been sexually assaulted -- if you have a sister, a mother, and a grandmother by the numbers it has been at least one of them

when the scope is opened to include teenagers, the data flips
girls become a lot more likely to be victims of abuse or rape


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26703409 - 05/29/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I see an indirect trans angle to this. A child is a person, not in a state of being, but a person during a stage in the transition to adult.

So, if you are only attracted to a person DURING the transition, and not pre-transition or post-transition, is that a valid sexual orientation?

I say nay.

You are attracted, not to the person but to the transitional p0hase itself. You didnt dig them before the transition and lose interest in them after they transitioned towards what they NEED TO BE. Are you even an ALLY if pre-transition and post-transition Trans people dont interest you? I think not.

Liking an ASPECT of a person, especially a fleeting aspect of a person, instead of the person, is not a sexual orientation but a fetish. You fetishize that aspect of them rather than focussing on them.

A pedophile, which is a person attracted to pre pubescent children, loses interest in that person when they hit pubescent age or a little bit after.

That is not an orientation but a FETISH, a KINK.

And that is great news because unlike orientations, kinks can be learned and unlearned.

Someone obsessed with red high heels can learn to love the woman too, and then get into a heterosexual relationship (or gay or bi if they are that) and get their fulfillment from that, instead of rubbing their dick over just a pair of high heels in a box under their bed.

People have an orientation (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual and asexual) and they have kinks. Kinks can be learned and unlearned, and the focus on them can shift.

Pedophilia is a kink, because you are sexually infatuated with, not the person but a narrow band of perhaps 5% of that person's age range. That aint love of the person themselves.

People with a sexual orientation have an age range they prefer but once they find love they want to grow old together. Pedophiles grow out of their crush in a mere few years because the more developed body now turns them off. That is objectification, and thats good news because it means pedophiles can be cured if they manage to shift the emphasis ofr their kinks and focus more on their orientation.

Before anyone gets smart and says "what about asexual pedophiles, they don't have an orientation to fall back on." well Einstein, there are no sexually active pedophiles so they just like being around kids with absolutely no sex involved, which is not a pedophile.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703420 - 05/29/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

budmanman said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
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ONE OZ SLUG said:
It was common for girls to date one grade above them i.e. a sophomore dating a junior. There was one senior dating a freshmen and everyone thought that dude was creepy.




Similar story at my high school
fun fact tho -- creepy dude also ended up in jail about a year ago being caught with child pornography

fuck him




The guy at my higschool wasn't creepy he was extremely popular, had an expensive sports car and was extremely muscular, strong, six pack abs, chizzle jawed and just generally handsome girls flocked to him, he regularly had multiple girlfriends at once and would keep it secret from them all, hed get caught cheating all the time and they would always forgive him for it, one girl caught him cheating 10 times before she broke up with him when he was 20.

What separates the creepy guy in the work place from the non creepy guy?

Looks.




creepy dude in my case was into underage anime girls and shit even in high school
creepy interests

in retrospect, it is kind of surprising it took so long for him to get nailed for something
apparently what got attention on him in the first place was he shared a bit of his child porn on facebook




people into anime girls tend to be virgins and incels.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26703422 - 05/29/20 03:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Think that the kink angle is a really insightful factor, thank you for that
would not have come to that as a place of classification myself, due to thinking of kinks as non-harmful sexual fetishes
but you are correct, people can get hung up on really negative manifestations of fetishization, as well


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