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If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? * 1
    #26703129 - 05/29/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This came up in another discussion where a user offered this input
in response to my pointing out that child abuse should not be equated with consenting adult sex
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A man molesting a young girl is preforming a heterosexual molestation of a child, objectively




what say you, Pub
If a grown man has never had sex in his life,
then somehow proceeds to have sex with a number of pre-pubescent little girls
without getting caught, beaten, and murdered for it as he should be

would you consider him to be as much of a heterosexual man
as a man who has sex with consenting adult women in his age group?
would you consider his actions to be indicative of what it means to be heterosexual more generally?

Keep in mind that this is an individual who has never had sex with a consenting adult
only with children too young to be able to consent
Is the child molestor as much of a heterosexual man as the one who has sex with consenting adult women?
You may choose only one
Are the actions of the child molestor indicative of heterosexuality more generally?
You may choose only one


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703134 - 05/29/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Voted no to both

pedophilia is independent of heterosexuality or homosexuality
if someone has sex with only children, they are a pedophiliac and nothing more than that

do not feel the actions are indicative of heterosexuality more generally
because children have not developed the sex organs associated with sexual attraction
little girls do not have the features or capacities of grown women


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703137 - 05/29/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I put STAL for both. Tough questions to answer with a definitivitive answer.

Its kinda like asking "Do young girls have a gender yet?".


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26703140 - 05/29/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I put STAL for both. Tough questions to answer with a definitivitive answer.




wanted to STAL for both,
then tell everyone it is for She Tokes A Lot
:tantrika:

but seemed like it would be out of form for my own thread,
if asking for other peoples opinions on the matter, it is fair to share my own thoughts


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26703165 - 05/29/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Its kinda like asking "Do young girls have a gender yet?".




Oh, missed this
do not think it is the same thing

young girls can have an established gender identity, that is a social construct relating to how we navigate the world
but a young girl who plays house is not the same as a woman who can keep house

heterosexuality implies an attraction to people of the opposite sex from you
in order for that attraction to be there, it is my view that the characteristics of that sex need to be developed
a pre-pubescent girl may have been born with female genitalia, but they are not developed in a sexualized way
nor has her body reached the characteristics associated with reproductive success

cannot take the position that heterosexuality needs to be associated directly with reproductive success
as that would invalidate heterosexual couples who cannot reproduce for whatever reasons
but do feel that the attraction at least needs to be associated with the appropriate signifiers
and a child has not developed those signifiers


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26703190 - 05/29/20 01:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think our sexuality is defined by our actions at all. I think it's defined by our arousal, attraction, desires. A homosexual could go their entire life only banging people of the opposite sex and that wouldn't make them any less gay. Just as a virgin isn't necessarily an asexual


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Apples in Mono]
    #26703197 - 05/29/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Apples in Mono said:
I don't think our sexuality is defined by our actions at all. I think it's defined by our arousal, attraction, desires. A homosexual could go their entire life only banging people of the opposite sex and that wouldn't make them any less gay. Just as a virgin isn't necessarily an asexual




Think this is a very valid point,
and think that the sentiment meshes over fairly well with my own position
regarding children not having the characteristics to produce heterosexual arousal

if the man in question only ever fantasizes about children
it is all the more difficult to establish a position with regards to developed individuals


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26703202 - 05/29/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Tough question for sure. 

If the pedo likes a young female.  I would think it’s safe to say they are attracted to females, and for some unknown reason, little ones.
If they like young males , so on and so forth “ “ “ .

All heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex.

So, if a male(heterosexual) pedophile is attracted to a female child.  Therefore str8
If, a male pedophile is attracted to a male child.  Therefore gay

All homosexuals are attracted to the same sex,
 
So, if a female(Homo) pedophile is attracted to a female child.  Therefore gay
If, a female pedo is attracted to a male child.    Therefore str8

That’s just what happens via logical syllogism - which was more or less what i was attempting to draw.  It is simplistic, perhaps overly so, when dealing with complex human behavior & biology & more all simultaneously.


But when you factor in the more technical minutiae, it’s no longer as simple & it becomes more nuanced and complex.

For one, I don’t know what a pedo even considers themselves as, and two - if they are attracted to large older males or females and little ones - or just the little ones and not older larger ones.

We would have to know if a pedo was regular - normal growing up and attracted to m/f of their own age - but never acted on it for some reason, or if they always were attracted to children :shrug:

I think we may need a specialized psychologist for this shit.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703203 - 05/29/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

An interesting point. Since under-developed girls havent mature into women, are they "less" of a woman? Are they more of a child than a girl?

Its interesting that under-developed boys kinda act like under-developed girls (high voices, sorta feminine looking). One could argue boys are less "gendered" to their adult counterparts than girls are, at least in my opinion.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26703210 - 05/29/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
If the pedo likes a young female.  I would think it’s safe to say they are attracted to females, and for some unknown reason, little ones.




Am hesistant to hold to this view tho
if we were in the range of pubescent young females, would be of agreement
but that would also introduce the variable of pertaining to a different (tho still socially resented) group of men

but with pre-pubescent,
it would have to be some attraction to abstract concept of womanhood or femininity
because little girls may have characteristics like growing their hair longer than little boys at their parent's decision
but, for all intents and purposes, if you shaved a bunch of them bald and put them in matching robes you would not be able to tell the girls from the boys

whereas with adults in a monastic setting -- nuns can be hot bald women :lol:


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26703218 - 05/29/20 01:59 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
An interesting point. Since under-developed girls havent mature into women, are they "less" of a woman? Are they more of a child than a girl?




not necessarily more of a child than a girl
but more of a child than a woman

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Its interesting that under-developed boys kinda act like under-developed girls (high voices, sorta feminine looking). One could argue boys are less "gendered" to their adult counterparts than girls are, at least in my opinion.




it is also worth remembering that historically in a number of societies adult women were not allowed to perform
so young boys were castrated before puberty, so they could (continue to) perform female roles on stage and in song


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26703231 - 05/29/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Monastic setting hmmm 🧐

I left that setting in part because I was too attracted to my female counter part - they could choose to not shave their heads during first 3 years of the noviatiate  :derfase: ....:sad:

I could tell who is a man or woman  after living with them, even with shaved heads and in full takahatsu gear - but it relied on smells, and pattern recognition, voice differences, etc - but inguess that doesn’t count bc I knew what they looked like and how they were before hand right?

In all seriousness though.  I have no idea.  I’m pretty dumb & unlearned when it comes to the nuances of this stuff.

So I see your point.  If they were of the same stature in body and dressed up all the same, yeah you couldn’t tell.

I’ll leave this question for those more adept.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26703236 - 05/29/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
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In all seriousness though.  I have no idea.  I’m pretty dumb & unlearned when it comes the nuances of this stuff.




Myself as well, seemingly

had totally taken my position on this for granted,
did not think someone would perceive sex with children as defining anything other than pedophilia
until receiving messages to the contrary

it is additionally difficult because it is something that is undesirable to consider in detail
do not want to know what goes through an abusers head that prompts them
remember that creepy scene in Con Air where the child rapist/murderer gets free and goes and finds a little girl
and they had this creepy distortion effect showing his focus on her as she sang and stuff


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26703242 - 05/29/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Holy hell.  Con Air?!  :rofl:

Cage greatness?  Yeah I remember that gooby derpy gem.  And that scene, I watched that movie for the first time 2 weeks ago at the behest of another member here.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26703248 - 05/29/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

saw it back in my high school days
used to spend weekends out at my girlfriend's house and wake up hours before her
so would watch movies with her mother in the living room, and that was one of her picks

dunno, that scene just stuck with and haunts me tho
she's just this little girl trying to make a friend and she encounters the worst possible monster she could
:sad:


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703282 - 05/29/20 02:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah some scenes in movies u never forget. Like the last scene of Pulp Fiction. So fucked up in so many ways. I remeber seeing Con Air a loooong time ago but i dont remember that scene. That movie seems like it would be great for Conspiracy Theory research.

I didnt know that about child actors in the super old days. Thats crazy! Its like they were made Transgendered without their permission. Scary times those were.

I think the public associates Pedophilia with Male heterosexuals first, then Male Homosexuals then maybe Female teachers who seduce male students (that one I wish was me). I think Sheekle argued "Those female teachers are pedophiles!". I still remember that. I miss that guy.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26703300 - 05/29/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The Creepy Female Teacher Epidemic



the female teacher thing is particularly creepy, because there is more normalization around it than any other case
people who should know better celebrate teen boys getting raped, it is fucked

even you with your "I wish was me" xP


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: Tantrika]
    #26703307 - 05/29/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Most people like to ignore it, but most of us when we were freshmen were competing in the social dating pool with seniors. Seniors tended do date freshmen. You think all those seniors just stopped dating freshmen the moment they turned 18 or graduated? I know a guy who girls found very attractive and he banged tons of freshmen when he was a senior and continued doing that well into his mid 20's and he slept with lots of girls who would lie about their age to him and when I was 16 He banged a girl who was like 13 or something and I said dude thats kinda messed up to him and he said so?

Long story short hes in his mid 30's right now and spends a lot of his time posting death to all pedophiles on facebook.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman]
    #26703310 - 05/29/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Also I will add that almost every girl I have ever dated opened up to me and most admitted to sleeping with much older men when they were 12 or 13.

Other than my current wife, every girl I have ever dated admitted these things to me.


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Re: If a man only ever has sex with little girls, do you consider him a heterosexual man? [Re: budmanman]
    #26703318 - 05/29/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It was common for girls to date one grade above them i.e. a sophomore dating a junior. There was one senior dating a freshmen and everyone thought that dude was creepy.


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