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King oyster shoebox
    #26701969 - 05/28/20 04:26 PM (1 month, 14 days ago)

Ok so I’ve been growing actives for a little while and this is my first run with kings.

Dropped agar to a quart of wbs, then mixed that into a coir/hardwood pellet mixture.

This is about three days in


Does it look normal so far?? And right now I’ve got the fae restricted, should I open it up or let it consolidate for a while?

How long til pins normally??


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26704210 - 05/29/20 12:32 PM (1 month, 13 days ago)

Myc looks strange but could be cause it's on coir, I wouldn't worry yet.

I would probably let it consolidate more, then a cold shock always gets kings to pin.  I think they usually NEED one but I can't remember for sure, it's been a while...


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26708809 - 05/31/20 11:54 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

I have pretty much the same expermiment running at the moment! Was inspired by this post on reddit, and spawned to coir/verm mix 6 days ago, but I have some more jars of king oyster spawn and might give a coir/hardwood pellets mix a try.

After 6 days I my pretty cool closet, my boxes look just as yours on the surface, and some knobs have built up at the sides of the tub - i'll post a pic later if you like. So it looks like either both of us grow the same contam, or we're on the right track.

I've grown kings in sterillized bags once -  here's my Grow Log, so I'm no pro, but remember they definitely need a cold shock and also seem to benefit from some sort of casing. In my first experiment I tried with coir/verm and verm only and didn't notice a real difference.
When I opened and cased the bags there was already a thick layer of mycelium mass on the surface, so for now I will wait at least one more week for the myc to further consolidate. I've also read that scratching this layer slightly with a fork before casing and the cold shock further promotes fruiting.
Go check the link to a fruiting thread I mentioned i my grow log for more infos!

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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26709000 - 05/31/20 01:59 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Right on!

I’ll add a new pic soon, the myc is gettin thicker and climbing the walls now.

My plan at the moment is to give it another day or so to consolidate then put it in the fridge for two days. After that I’m going to put the shoebox inside dubbed sweater boxes with frozen water bottles or something in them.

I’m hoping the fridge will initiate pinning and the little dub chamber will stay cold enough to continue.

I gotta say I’m skeptical about scratching it though.

Here’s a pic of right now



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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26709493 - 05/31/20 06:26 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Be careful with putting them in the fridge too long - not shure if that might be too cold. For where I'm living, I'll put them just outside over night.

Here's the growing condtions for king oysters:

Phase 1: Mycelium growth
Temperature: 24°C
Humidity: 90 - 95%
Duration: 12 - 16 days
CO2: 5,000 - 20,000 ppm
Fresh air exchange: 1 per hour
Light: n/a

Phase 2: Primordia formation / Fruiting initiation
Temperature: 10 - 15°C
Humidity: 95 - 100%
Duration: 4 - 5 days
CO2: <1,000 ppm
Fresh air exchange: 4 - 8 per hour
Light: 500 - 1,000 lux

Phase 3: Fruiting and harvest
Temperature: 15 - 21°C
Humidity: 85 - 90%
Duration: 4 - 8 days
CO2: <1,000 ppm
Fresh air exchange: 4 - 5 per hour
Light: 500 - 1,000 lux
Cropping cycle: two crops, 14 days apart in 45 days


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26709727 - 05/31/20 08:15 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

This link from your grow log was one of the best things I’ve found.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17268641/fpart/1/vc/1

Halfway through they start putting six to eight bags packed in a tub together then casing them together into one surface, and the fruits were higher quality and yield doubled on average.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26709758 - 05/31/20 08:27 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

The multi-block casing method is kinda cool, it makes all the bags act as a single substrate so you can get really huge mushrooms, although a lot fewer of them.  I remember that thread from back then, I wish more of those folks still frequented here...


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26709767 - 05/31/20 08:31 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

I also came across a few people saying they fruited in the 70s and 80s no problem which gives me hope.

Maybe I’ll leave it in the fridge for 5-6 hours at a time if it doesn’t start pinning on its own. I’m not sure but I think the fridge is probably 40ish.


The cool thing about casing them was they got two or three solid flushes instead of just one from an uncased bag. I was surprised at the difference.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26709894 - 05/31/20 09:34 PM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Those Stamets' numbers are an ok guideline, but don't place too much faith in them...  Overnight in the fridge is nothing to worry about, just do a whole night and you'll be fine.  I wouldn't worry about 70's for fruiting either.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26710318 - 06/01/20 03:55 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

kinda looks like mold to me.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26710415 - 06/01/20 05:54 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

So here are my tubs - seems as if the small shoebox is already forming some pins (at least the little "side-blob" definitely has a mushrrom shape).
What you see here are the surfaces of the substrate (the one frome the large tub was taken through the lid because I don't want to open it yet) and a closeup of the "side blobs" that began to form all over the small shoebox.

I'm thinking about casing the small box later today, with an extra coir/verm layer - what do you think?



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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26710429 - 06/01/20 06:08 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Looking good :thumbup:

I know people sometimes case these and I don't think it hurts, but what's your reason?


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26710599 - 06/01/20 08:05 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Better surface conditions for fruiting?
Prevent the surface from drying out?
Avoid more side pinning?
And to make it as maintainance-free as possible, because I often have to leave home for 48+ hrs...


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26710700 - 06/01/20 08:49 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Awesome man I’m about to case mine and give it air. I use grocery bags for liners with shoeboxes and never trimmed this one down which restricts ge enough to keep cubes in spawn run which I normal only do with PE.

Hopefully soon as I cut it off and jack the fae up I’ll get some pins too.


The myc seems to look totally different and way thicker in the middle where it’s wetter and has the least fae.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26710817 - 06/01/20 10:01 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

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Better surface conditions for fruiting?
Prevent the surface from drying out?
Avoid more side pinning?
And to make it as maintainance-free as possible, because I often have to leave home for 48+ hrs...




Seems like you could accomplish all that by just leaving the lid on, but I'm not arguing that you do so, they'll do great either way you choose :thumbup:


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26711006 - 06/01/20 11:19 AM (1 month, 11 days ago)

Hmmm... good point... but what about FAE then?
I was thinking about putting the lid upside down, when I have to leave... and thus need a casing layer. (?)

Would you suggest to not case them and keep the lid closed instead? What's your take on achieving FAE then?


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26711048 - 06/01/20 11:34 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Kings are one species you don't have to worry too much about FAE.  Most of the time when they are commercially grown, they restrict the FAE on purpose to get the smaller caps and massive stems.

Just depends on the stage they're at when you're leaving - you don't want NO air, but you can get by on very little.  I'd probably do polyfill holes, cube-monotub style, but in your case since they're not already cut, a casing layer may be the safer choice.  FAE isn't a worry like I said, but you do NOT want that thing to get dry at all when you're gone!  So I don't wanna mess you up and tell you not to case it, and then it dries out...


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26711051 - 06/01/20 11:35 AM (1 month, 10 days ago)

Plus in that link I posted earlier later flushes were insanely better with casing.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26712226 - 06/01/20 09:19 PM (1 month, 10 days ago)

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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Inthepit]
    #26714231 - 06/02/20 04:18 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)



So these are my two oyster tubs today. I just scratched the small one which shows thicker groth on the surface slightly with a fork and then cased it with a approx. 60%verm/40%coir mix and put it outside in the shed for the next two nights & days. We have around 10°C minimum at night and around 18-20°C during the day, so that should be ideal.

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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26714236 - 06/02/20 04:20 PM (1 month, 9 days ago)

I massively increased fae yesterday and cased mine pretty lightly with 5050 this morning.

I’ll give it til the weekend and if I don’t see any changes figure out a way to keep it cooler til it pins.


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    #26716639 - 06/03/20 02:06 PM (1 month, 8 days ago)

Really interesting tubs AKA. I just ordered some king LI and am planning to do these in monotubs, so will following this thread!


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: MrMong]
    #26728611 - 06/08/20 12:21 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

So far nothing’s happening. It’s only been 13 days since I spawned though so I’m not sure if this is normal.

The myc hasn’t grown into the casing at all, I keep expecting pins each morning.

I’ve been keeping the temp in the 70s, I want to put it in the fridge to see if that helps but I also really want to know if it’ll pin as is.

I’ll probably wait another week or so before cold shocking it. Seems like that should be plenty of time if it was gonna pin without it.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26728766 - 06/08/20 01:45 PM (1 month, 3 days ago)

G/L :thumbup:

I'm guessing it's gonna take a cold shock.  Will be interesting to see if it pins without one though.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26731598 - 06/09/20 04:20 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

When I came home last weekend, the small tub that I cased 5 days before and left outside in the shed looked as if first small pins are showing at the surface. There are also some sidepins visible - I hope they don't develop better than those on top...



And the large tub that was spawned at the same day as the samll one looked like that:



I cased it on sunday evening and put it in the shed for this week.

All other tubs are colonizing well, but until sunday evening the mycelium on the surface showed no thickening of the mycelium and was still whispy, but very even.

Still trying to keep my expectations under control, but optimism is definitely growing... :smile:


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Parasoul]
    #26731606 - 06/09/20 04:24 PM (1 month, 2 days ago)

Nice!

I think I’m gonna need to drop my temps, mines been cased over a week I think.

I’m glad you posted cuz I’m not sure what exactly I’m looking for since it’s my first one.


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    #26799765 - 07/02/20 06:15 PM (10 days, 17 hours ago)

:rolleyes: Did it fruit?


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: marvins]
    #26799798 - 07/02/20 06:29 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

Ehhh. Lol. Sorta.

After a few days in the fridge it started making these blob things so I took it out but it stopped again after a couple days. I’ll post a pic in a little.

I literally just split a quart of spawn in half into two jars, cased it with coir, let it colonize and put them in the fridge this morning. Gonna see if being cold the whole time helps.

I’m not even positive it’s king oyster since it’s never been fruited.

This is how it looked when I took it out of the fridge, it got way bigger but then stopped.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: A.k.a]
    #26799839 - 07/02/20 06:52 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

is it just me or does it look really dry?


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26799845 - 07/02/20 06:55 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

It could’ve been I eased up on mist while it was in the fridge since there’s no fae.

That was like a week and a half ago though.


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    #26799857 - 07/02/20 07:00 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

Yeah it's hard to tell for sure but I think those were pins.  May have dried up.  You can always bury it and get a surprise in the fall!  Summer is a really bad time to try and fruit kings, at least for me in my area... nearly impossible to get it cold enough.  In the winter I just set the bags on the floor by our sliding glass door and they're full of pins in a couple days.


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26799862 - 07/02/20 07:02 PM (10 days, 16 hours ago)

I wish I could throw stuff outside and have it fruit.

It’s 108 with 5% humidity right now.


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    #26799919 - 07/02/20 07:35 PM (10 days, 15 hours ago)

Yikes no wonder you're having trouble!


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Forrester]
    #26800629 - 07/03/20 04:20 AM (10 days, 7 hours ago)

yeah. oysters like 50-60 for pin formation and 55-65 for fruiting


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    #26800823 - 07/03/20 08:44 AM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

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Ehhh. Lol. Sorta.

After a few days in the fridge it started making these blob things so I took it out but it stopped again after a couple days. I’ll post a pic in a little.

I literally just split a quart of spawn in half into two jars, cased it with coir, let it colonize and put them in the fridge this morning.



I tried them in the fridge for 3 nights, nothing. And now tossed.
Sooo, I'm on T4 and scored Aspen chips from the pet store, cheap too!
shavings 2:1 to coir dry weight, even though it's 85F here.
Maybe have the shoeboxes live in the fridge!


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Re: King oyster shoebox [Re: Inthepit]
    #26801381 - 07/03/20 02:29 PM (9 days, 20 hours ago)

Im gratefull i live in 75% humidity and the sea regulate the temps, its really not that cold now in winter and summers dont get high either.

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