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My Second Agar Grow 1
#26701575 - 05/28/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hows it going everyone??
So i started my second try at growing with agar. My first try was with Pasty's mini rounds and i didnt have great success. Im using bods tek this time around.
So this time i went with no pour and still used BRF. The agar this time looked 10 times better than last time so thats a plus. I have 20 plates poured as well. I also sanitized alot more and tried to be more thorough.
Gonna post photos when i start to get mycelium on the plates.
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Good luck, man!
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: jay.ach]
#26708554 - 05/31/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bad technique. I don't think I was sanitizing as much as I should or I did the grains wrong. I had beautiful agar growth and transferred to grain and started and it started colonizing then everything turned black and greenish.
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Day 3.. This is what I have so far. A little condensation but I don't think that should be too much of an issue. The 2 on the outside of the SAB had the most condensation so I figured I would knock them up in open air and see what happens and they also have some mycellium starting. Everything is looking good so far. Will post more when pics when I can.
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Day 5.. Got more growth. The temps dropped in my area a bit. Mid 50s overnight. Hoping that won't be too much of an issue. The loner is the one I nocced in open air. Seems to be good so far.
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Day 7... Looking good. One plate I nocced in open air contammed but the other one is thriving and no other contams yet.
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Awesome. I tried making some plates last night but I accidentally bought/used barley extract and they came out green. So I'm not sure how easy it will be to spot mold in them. I guess I don't follow directions well. It was my first time so i definitely learned from it.
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Day 12...
Mycellium seems to be taking hold and getting thicker by the day.
Edited by Hurrakrayne (06/10/20 06:53 AM)
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Gonna do some transfers today. I don't have anymore empty plates so I'm gonna use the cups that pizza places out hot sauce in. Lol. Idk the proper name for them. 2 more plate have contams so I wanna clean them up a bit.
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You can also go with those ziploc 4oz mini-squares. They worked for me through a few pressure cooker cycles. I would definitely work inside the still air box, though.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: jay.ach]
#26736157 - 06/11/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've done everything in the SAB. I nocced 2 plates in open air for the hell of it and experimentation purposes and they both contammed. The second one I can probably get a decent transfer from since only half is contammed but I'm not gonna chance it. One of them got all cobweb moldy and the third has a small black spot but amazing mycellium growth the rest of the plate.
This will be my first time doing a agar transfer so hoping all goes well. Definitely gonna invest in a flow good for the future. My biggest concern so far is that I don't have much rhizomorphic growth. Mostly the fluffy white stuff. About 5 plates have rhizomorph starting towards the edges. Another reason I wanna transfer today and clean them up.
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So the transfers went good. Starting to see the mycellium grab hold of the new agar. I've never felt this excited lol. Will post pictures when possible.
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I always leave a plate exposed to the open air for a few minutes then seal it off to see what kind of contams are flying around my mycology room. Nothing out of the ordinary, but as long as the plates don't light up with different cultures I think I'm maintaining sterile practices. Now, if the plate ever starts going crazy with contam growth, I'll know something's fucked and I need to find it
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: Wall.E]
#26779500 - 06/24/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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3 weeks. 6/24

So I haven't checked my plates in a few days and it's been really hot and muggy and I check today and I have these! Those are the original plates I did transfers off and thought they were no good. I wasn't even gonna use them. Can I still transfer these to grain even though they have pins?
Also my new plates that I transferred to have nice rhizomorph growth I just couldn't get a good enough picture.
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Never thought about leaving one plate open for a few minutes and not inoculating it just to see how likely a contam would occur. Brilliant idea! Same concept as leaving a wbs jar uninoculated but just never crossed my mind 🤣.
Definitely gonna work in an SAB still but probably takes a bit of the worry away if nothing contams especially when you do things properly.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: EntheoGod]
#26781195 - 06/25/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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So those pins opened up over night and dropped spores..
Can I still use these plates to transfer to grain? I'm starting to run my cycle of grains now.
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That's really interesting! Those dropped spores will probably further noc those plates... and yes, I think you can still transfer from those plates, in fact will probably do better than if there were no pins, having been consolidated for a while.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781213 - 06/25/20 05:47 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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One is a side view the other is a top view. There's multiple plates like that with pins and dropped spores. I'm gonna transfer directly from these plates plus some other transfer plates I have going.
Is it necessary to do g2g? Or does that just increase the amount?
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you always just wanna spread clean culture whenever you have time, because it saves time in the long run.
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Hurrakrayne said: 3 weeks. 6/24

So I haven't checked my plates in a few days and it's been really hot and muggy and I check today and I have these! Those are the original plates I did transfers off and thought they were no good. I wasn't even gonna use them. Can I still transfer these to grain even though they have pins?
Also my new plates that I transferred to have nice rhizomorph growth I just couldn't get a good enough picture.
Are your plate wrapped? If nto it could explain the quick invitro pinning, as they are getting FAE. Anyways if I were you, I would clone those pins on new plates. Make sure to wrap your plates so you dont get contams in.
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No they're not wrapped. To clone I would just cut it at the base and drop it on new agar plate correct? Or is this where in supposed to cut it open and take inner tissue?
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781255 - 06/25/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok I'll keep that in mind. New to agar so I've never even seen this much success. Definitely gonna do g2g on maybe half my jars to see the difference.
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the fact that the agar is so healthy it's producing fruit shows there is NOT contamination imo... I don't think you should clone those just make new transfers like you were asking.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781259 - 06/25/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok I have 5 plates I made when I did first set of transfers to agar but I left them in my SAB. Are they still good to use or should I make more?
Also for my grain jar lids. Do they need the holes punched on top with polyfil or micropore tape? Or can I just loosen them slightly?
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781264 - 06/25/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also wanna use them to transfer directly to grain seeing that they're healthy and no signs of contam.
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as long as there is no visible contamination, they are usable. Never loosen the lid... I always punch two holes and put two layers of micropore tape on each hole. You're doing great. I have yet to see fruits from my agar, wish I did!
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781272 - 06/25/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's what I figured. I just thought I read somewhere it's been done with just loosening. Do holes have to be certain size? I only have small drill bits. No bigger than maybe a 1/4 inch. Sorry for all the noob questions.
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that's perfect size- I just run a 1/4" nail through the lid and tape it up.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781283 - 06/25/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cool cool. I appreciate your quick feedback. Will post when I have more updates.
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no problem... i actually just started pouring agar myself. Up until now, I had been doing no pour. lol someone on here said no pour is for pussies... he was right! so you're def challenging yourself and learning fast. Parafilm application is what gets me.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781316 - 06/25/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I tried no pour my first time and did not like it. This is more fun. Lol Also I just noticed I got cloth tape . Is that gonna make a difference? It's waterproof and was with all the surgical and micropore tape. Or should I go get a different kind?
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Hurrakrayne said: Yeah I tried no pour my first time and did not like it. This is more fun. Lol Also I just noticed I got cloth tape . Is that gonna make a difference? It's waterproof and was with all the surgical and micropore tape. Or should I go get a different kind?
So my input here is only from one experience. But I inoculated 9 jars with a few different methods. (I also bought the cloth tape) So due to not knowing whether it would allow gas exchange I used multiple methods. The two jars that I put the cloth tape on were light years behind the other jars in colonization. So my educated guess is do not use that cloth tape.
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Dammit. Lol. Ok soon as the grains are done boiling I'll go get different tape.
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i agree; and the same company that makes the medical grade micropore tape also makes the proper face masks some people are wearing... if that means anything
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26781425 - 06/25/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It does lol. Heading to the store now grains just got done boiling.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
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How long should I let my jars cool before doing transfers?
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26782008 - 06/25/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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AtmozFear said: the fact that the agar is so healthy it's producing fruit shows there is NOT contamination imo... I don't think you should clone those just make new transfers like you were asking.
This is not always true though. It happens often that plates pin due to stress. However, as far as I understand those plates usually show obvious stress. These plates probably pinned because myc had taken all nutrients and FAE was introduced as he didnt wrap the petris. Fortunately OP seems to have left the plates inside the SAB. They probably would have contaminated otherwise.
Moving on to the cloning. I wouldnt slice open the mushrooms, instead I would tear it in two inside the SAB, then take a flamed scalpel and take a tiny bit from the inside and put it on agar. If you slice it open you could introduce contams from the outside (but thats not probable because you've had your plates inside the SAB).
As for the grain jars, I usually just make my 4-5 holes with a nail and hammer. On shroomery most advanced cultivators suggest using polyfill as a filter, or a proper filter disk. I use micropore, but then you have to put at least 4 layers or more.
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I probably won't clone at the moment. I'm gonna use these plates to to a2g transfers.
I have 5 other small plates I did transfers with healthy mycellium and they look good so I'm using those as well. My grains just got done and I used 2 layers of micropore tape. Hope that's enough. How long should I wait before doing transfers. Pc just reduced to zero pressure?
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Hurrakrayne said: I probably won't clone at the moment. I'm gonna use these plates to to a2g transfers.
I have 5 other small plates I did transfers with healthy mycellium and they look good so I'm using those as well. My grains just got done and I used 2 layers of micropore tape. Hope that's enough. How long should I wait before doing transfers. Pc just reduced to zero pressure?
So you will br droping the mushroom with the agar inside grain jars? Why not just use tweezers to remove the shrooms? I dont think 2 layers is enough for grain jars, but you could always experiment and see what happens. What do you mean how long? till you put agar to grains? once you pc your jars for 90+ min at 15 psi, let jars cool down to room temperature and then drop your agar inside. N point in ruining your myc by putting it in very hot grains.
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Hurrakrayne said: I probably won't clone at the moment. I'm gonna use these plates to to a2g transfers.
I have 5 other small plates I did transfers with healthy mycellium and they look good so I'm using those as well. My grains just got done and I used 2 layers of micropore tape. Hope that's enough. How long should I wait before doing transfers. Pc just reduced to zero pressure?
If you can't wait till morning I'd at least wait until they are comfortable to hold in your hand. You don't want that mycelium hitting the high temperatures that are present right out of the pressure cooker.
I've seen plenty of post saying to pieces of micropore tape is enough, I'm going to poly fill lids myself.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: redhandmat] 1
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I wasn't going to put agar into hot grains. I was asking because I wasn't sure if I had to wait 24 hours or if room temp was good. I'm new to agar.
I wasn't gonna drop the mushroom in no. I was gonna cut wedges from the plates and use them that way.
Also I could out another layer or 2 of tape I'm top but that wouldn't be sterile. Unless I used a qtip and swabbed alcohol on top of it after I out the new layers on.
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Just seen your reply. I've also seen that 2 layers is enough so I'm not too worried about that. Every post I've read has said 2 layers. I have never seen anywhere say 4.
I just grabbed them with nare hands and loosens up the grain so shouldn't be too much longer.
I don't really wanna wait til morning because the pins on the agar already I wanna get he agar to grain as soon as I can.
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Im excited for you, cant wait to see the progress.
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Just did 3 jars but my setup isn't the best and I have to bend a bit and my back is sore lol.
Hope I'm being quick and sterile enough. Gonna do 3 more in a few.
I used 1 plate for 2 jars. Should that be good? Also when I first did an agar transfer I made them in sauce cups so they're not that big. So I dropped one while cuo with good growth into one gonna see how that goes.
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Also did a tic tac tiger drop on a few of them as well to add more noc points and cut down on the amount of time I have everything exposed.
Seeing as my plates had pins I think my technique is good enough and everything is sterile enough so I shouldn't have too much to worry about.
I used extra alcohol and wiped down constantly.
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I feel sad having to toss these but I don't have anymore jars.. 🙁 I took all the best mycellium from each of them though.
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I feel sad having to toss these but I don't have anymore jars.. 🙁 I took all the best mycellium from each of them though.
Wish me luck.
Those are the chunkiest agar plate pins I've ever seen. To the OP, this all gets easier with practice. My first agar pours were awful and my first transfers all contaminated out. Heck sometimes i msss up a batch now and i started doing this in 08. I'd definitely recommend wrapping your plates. Either saran wrap/clingfilm or parafilm.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: Kimble]
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Thanks. This is my first pour agar. My first time was with pasty plates and I didn't like it. I've already had more success this way. Definitely gonna wrap from now on. Just hoping the strong myc stays strong through grain colonization.
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The outcome of the different inoculation techniques; half patties, whole patties, and tic tac tiger intrigue me. Please let me know if there is a noticeable difference in time to colonize as I will be at this stage with agar before long and would like to know what worked best for you.
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Will do. I did a few different techniques to see which works best. I just picked my agar pins and they're pretty much full blown shrooms. Should done it last night thought as they have already dropped there spores. But they smell like nice fresh mushrooms.
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Got some minor growth starting!
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i guess wait to see if it likes your grain prep
btw two layers of micropore tape is fine.
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Re: My Second Agar Grow [Re: AtmozFear]
#26793698 - 06/30/20 04:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Couldn't get a clear picture of the grains but about half of my jars are showing alot of growth and I put one of the pins on agar and it's showing nice mycellium.
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Looking good!! When should I start to shake these up?
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So I just shook them all except the one that looks almost done. The mycellium looks beautiful hopefully I didn't just ruin them.
My first time doing agar I shook them and they all died on me. But that was due to contamination and I wasn't being as sterile so I think I'm good. Will post more photos when I see some recovery.
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Awesome, keep us posted. I love watching other grows from beginning to end.
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Thanks. Will do! I just went on a hunt for coir locally and noone has it or knew what it was. Small town problems. Lol. So I just ordered some and it should be here by Monday. Hopefully I can put everything to fruiting conditions that day.
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Did you try a pet store, They would be the only brick and mortar place to carry it. I get mine from a shabby corner pet store next door to the washateria.
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There isn't any more petstores in my area. They all got shut down. I ordered it from Petco.
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Damn, times are different. We've been lucky enough to have everything (almost) back open here. the malls, theaters, and trampoline parks are still closed but life is almost back to normal.
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They're not shut down from covid they are permanently gone. Not very many small businesses make it where I'm from. Not since Walmart came in and took everything over and there is a city 20 minutes west of me. I just didn't feel like driving out there
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24 hours after the shake and they're starting to recover!
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Ok so question that I'm sure I know the answer to. Does this jar look contammed? I see a few black spots so I'm assuming yes?

And these are the rest of the jars. Do they look fine?
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My coir will be here today and I wanna spawn them as soon as they're ready. That is if they're not contammed.
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Another question I forgot to ask.. should I shake these one more time? They recovered 24 hours after my first shake and that was 4 days ago.
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Putting them into coir tonight but I think they're all contammed. They look ok to me but they seem like they've stalled. Also there's moisture pooling in some spots on a few of the jars. But there is good rhizomorphic growth on most of them as well so I'm not sure. Guess I'll find out in about a week or 2.
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Hurrakrayne said: Putting them into coir tonight but I think they're all contammed. They look ok to me but they seem like they've stalled. Also there's moisture pooling in some spots on a few of the jars. But there is good rhizomorphic growth on most of them as well so I'm not sure. Guess I'll find out in about a week or 2.
Firstly the one to the far left looks great and ready.
Quite a few people will tell you not to spawn contaminated jars no matter the amount be it barely contamed or fully contamed. I've read several reasons not to and all have substance.
- Possible contamination to entire work area effecting future grows.
- Waste of time due to yield/effort put into the grow.
- Spawning a subpar jar instead of having the patience and discipline to do it correctly or not do it at all.
- I'm sure there are a few I'm missing and someone will fill them in.
Now, with all of that being said. I spawned a contaminated jar in a shoebox and kept it outside away from my workspace. The contaminated jar had mycelium growth throughout but it was not robust and there was a green hue covering the entire jar. It smelled the exact same as a health colonized jar (that mushroom smell), but it was indeed clearly contaminated. I spawned it at the same time as 2 other fully healthy jars in the same substrate ratio. This shoebox colonized slower, the mycelium on top of the substrate is not as prevalent or robust. I can see a yellow tinge here and there on the mycelium, yet there are pins. It started pinning about 2 days after the two healthy shoeboxes and there aren't near as many pins from what I can tell, but none the less the pins do exist. So I suppose it is what standard you want to hold your grows to. A slightly contaminated jar may do absolutely nothing but bad things, and it may produce a little payback for your hard work. I grew my contaminated jar out for scientific reasons. I am a hands on visual learner so I always want to find out the why for myself. I spawned the jar to see the outcome of a clearly contaminated jar so that I could recognize a contaminated tub later in life if one slips past me. As of now I find it a waste of time energy and resources to spawn a contaminated jar. I leave you with that and hopefully the pros comment with actual knowledge.
P.S. My substrate was all coir like yours, no additives.
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Yeah I was thinking the same about that one and 2 others. I'm the same way as you. I wanna see things for myself as visual proof of what to do or not to do so I know for the future. Not that I don't trust what anyone on here is saying it's just learning experience for me. I'm gonna spawn them all and see what happens. Doing shoeboxes and gonna keep them away from eachother in case of contamination so good ones don't get ruined. If they do contam I'm sure it is from having the oats to wet.
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You might have to do what i do and keep starting over until we get it..
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I appreciate your feedback brother.
Not a problem. I recommend a set and forget shoebox such as bod's or shaper's if you haven't decided on a tek to use yet. I used Shaper's SFF, I gotta say it couldn't be any easier than that tek.
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Idk why tek I was gonna use yet. I've seen the most used ratio is 1:1 so was gonna go with that. I'll check that tek it though for sure. Bods teks have been my go to go agar and grain so will probably use that one. I have 10 shoeboxes. Debating on doing 1 monotub but don't wanna ruin that much if it's bad so I'll probably wait until I perfect my technique then dive into something bigger.
I also gotta learn to make spore prints and liquid cultures.
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Yeah I'm gonna start another batch next week. I gotta get more spores. Might go with a different grain as well. Was thinking popcorn or WBS and maybe even rye. Not sure on that yet though.
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I just read through shapers SFF tek. Definitely gonna use that one as well for half and see which one produces better.
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After I read you're doing 10 boxes I was gonna say shapers because you can stack them. You can't stack bods.
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Got them all boxed up. When I opened the jars I got punched in the face with a nice fresh mushroom smell and got really excited lol. Will post again when I see some progress!!
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One day later and they're starting to recover nicely. Best pic I could get because I don't want to open them yet.
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This is where we're at today showing some nice progress. The moisture in the sides shouldn't be an issue correct? I haven't misted that's just from whatever magic is happening inside.
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It looks perfect, don't try to be smarter than the box. Just leave the lid on except for peaking. It'll work it's magic as you say lol.
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Thanks. I overthink too much lol. That's the only time I took the kid off. I'm not gonna do that again until I need to. Had a nice potent mushroom smell to it. I'm pumped!
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Forgot to mention the moisture on the side is exactly what you want. It's a sign of high humidity.
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Progress! Should start pinning anyday now.
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These should fruit on their own as well right? I shouldn't have to crack the kids. Moisture in them is perfect and I haven't misted at all. I see what looks like cotton balls but you can see the rhizomorph growth pushing through it and some of the cotton ball things look like they have pins starting in them but can't be too sure.
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Those are the cotton ball look alikes. My apologies for all the noob questions. This is the furthest I've made it using grains so my mind is definitely racing.
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Yeah, it still looks perfect, leave the lid on, you wont have to crack it until the caps are about an inch or two below the lid. My guess is about a week until pins, that is based on the time line of my boxes. From spawn to pins was 14 days.
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I got some pins!
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And the unbridled excitement begins.
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Oh I know it. I checked before I went to work last night there was nothing and I get home this morning and they popped!
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Also one of my boxes doesn't have the little glistening layer of water on top of the substrate. Is that something I should be concerned about and mist it lightly? Or is it normal?
I know they need the water to grow that's why I'm asking.
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Hurrakrayne said: Also one of my boxes doesn't have the little glistening layer of water on top of the substrate. Is that something I should be concerned about and mist it lightly? Or is it normal?
I know they need the water to grow that's why I'm asking.
A glistening layer is preferred. When you mist, a few pumps is enough and spray about a foot above the box so that the mist settles into the box. You're not trying to spray the surface directly.
I wonder why that one of 8 boxes is evaporating quicker. Is it on the top of the stack? If so maybe rotate the stack. Or possibly you check it more often than the others.
Either way I'm excited for you, my first flush, I grabbed three early veil breakers and made tea out of them immediately. It was a different kind of high from the one I get when buying from Joe Blow down the street. More personal I suppose.
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It's on the bottom of the stack. I've been rotating often.
There may be more that are dry I haven't checked like 3 of them. Other than looking through the side.
I agree with the experience being more personal. I felt the same way my first grow on bed cakes.
Idk any good ways to make a good team tea. What do you recommend?
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I believe my taste is an acquired one. I like my coffee black and strong, and my wine dark and dry. So I enjoy the earthy taste of straight shroom tea with no additives. I fill a coffee cup full of water, for measurement purposes, pour the water into my smallest pot and bring to a boil. While the water is heating up I cut up my shroomies into chunks about 1/4 inch with scissors and as soon as the water hits a rolling boil I drop them all in and drop the heat to where there are tiny bubbles on the bottom of the pot, it never returns to a boil. 15 to 20 minutes later I take it off the stove and filter it back into the cup through one of those filter baskets that come in a coffee maker. If I'm feeling hella primitive, which I sometimes do, I'll cut the shrooms into bigger chunks (4 pieces per shroom) and dump it all back into the cup after the simmer. Chewing up the mushies after drinking. I'm nasty like that though.
My lover girl hates the flavor, she says it tastes like dirty sunflower seeds with no salt, and I agree with her on that. It certainly tastes like plain sunflower seeds straight from the ground. So she uses a single serve tea bag and dips it in the shroom tea for a few seconds and squeezes as much as she can out then adds a little sugar. That's that southern sweet tea. I'm not entirely certain that the tea bag doesn't take an ample amount of magic to the trash can with it though so do that at your own discretion.
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Im definitely gonna give that a try. Would it make sense to eat mushies and drink some tea for greater effects?
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Another 24 hours later.
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I've never ingested both ways at once but I would think not as far as "greater effect".
Eating shrooms generally takes about 30 to 45 minutes to kick in and it comes on more gradually. While drinking tea of the same dose hits in about 10 to 15 and hits hard and fast.
I would say eating shrooms is like riding waves on an ocean with a big comfy floater, while drinking tea is like white water rafting.
With that being said there is no telling what the outcome would be. The way I understand what you're saying is, you want to take 4 grams for a solid trip. And you're going to eat 2 grams and make tea out of the other two. The numbers are just some that are easy to work with, not me saying what you're planning on taking. Anyway I would make an educated guess that either the tea overwhelms the eaten dosage and the experience is a let down never really reaching its peak. Or, the experience will have a lot of fluctuation going from a heavy tea trip to a slow eaten trip and is just confusing in a dizzy sort of way. Up and down up and down. A third option is it could be the best trip ever, but I doubt that.
Remember those are just educated guesses as I've never tried it. I would just make a tea for your first dose.
Boxes are looking good.
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Yeah I would have mixed a dose between the 2 ways but it would probably be better to do one or the other. I'm definitely drinking a tea though seeing as I never have.
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You won't regret it. You could be trippy by this weekend from my timeline.
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Another day down and we have more progress.
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Some boxes are doing better than others. Some are going really slow and I'm not sure why. They're all in the same spot. Only difference is some are closer to the window and those are the ones that are going slower. Maybe too much light?
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Also should I start lightly misting everyday? I feel maybe I wasn't misting enough it the boxes that are going slower were on the bottom of the stack longer therefore restricting FAE from the weight of the other ones holding the lid down.
I can't wait to start another grow and try a monotub.( Possibly)
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Only mist if the surface is visibly dry as fuck. If it has a glistening look to it leave it be. You shouldn't have to mist but once maybe twice with this tek. There doesn't have to be droplets on the surface, just a misty look. If it sparkles under the flashlight on your phone it's perfect.
With multi-spore syringes there are so many different genetics running through the grow. This is the most likely cause of the differences in the timing with different boxes. Too much light coming from a window is most definitely not an issue. If anything you could have more light. 12 hours on 12 hours off with a grow light directly by the boxes is what some trusted cultivators say. However the light from the window is enough, that's all I use for now.
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Only a couple of them seem to be staying on the dryer side so once there not glistening anymore I'll do a quick small mist.
I wasn't even thinking about the Ms factor. That's more than likely he case now that I think about it. My jars colonized at different rates so it's probably the same ones that are taking longer.
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Oh and I wanna buy a dehydrator. Is there any one that's better than the other? Or can I get a cheaper one and get the same results.
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The cheapest of cheap will do the trick. Goodwill even. I spent a little more money on mine to get one with 6 trays and a timer. The big motherfucker from tp outdoors.
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Oh alright cool.
Im gonna try the good will I've never had any luck there. Hopefully this time I come up with something.
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No problem, thrift shops and flea markets are a good spot to find dehydrators and pressure cookers.
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This is one box and this guy looks like he's gonna be ready any day now.

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This is my other box that is performing well. The rest have a few big ones on them and a bunch of primordoria and some pins.
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This is the rest of my boxes. Chugging along slowly but surely.



And can anyone tell me what's going on with this weird looking fu**er. Lol
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I also forgot to ask, when that big guy is ready to be picked can I dry just the one mushies in a dehydrator or should I have at least a full rack? Once again sorry for noobie questions.
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Nah, you can dry them one a time or a full rack. Makes no difference. Only down fall is you would have to check each fruit individually to take them out of the dehydrator because they all went in at different times. As opposed to them all going in at the same time you only have to check the few biggest fruits for cracker dryness.
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Alright cool. I kinda figured it wouldnt matter. I only have the one that's pretty much done. The dehydrator only has one temp so I'm assuming it's middle to high. I wanna pick it before the veil breaks I'll let the single mush run for like 5 hours and see how it goes.
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I gotta work a few hours tonight so I might have to wait until after to pick it. Hopefully it doesn't open too much in that time.
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My first picks!!
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I'm gonna be picking them as they're done. They're all finishing at separate times. Even the boxes aren't finishing at the same time. So far I'm at about 50grams wet.
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A few boxes that are almost done.

And one that I dub tubbed for the hell of it. Not doing another run at the moment so I figured what the hell. As ND 2 or 3 if the mushrooms were about to start pushing on the lid so that's another reason for the dub tub
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Picked some more. 124 grams wet so far and nowhere near done picking the first flush.
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Thats whats up. My first flush on one tub was 137 but I didnt really let them finish maturing before cleaning them off. I had no patience.
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Yeah I probably could have let these go a bit longer but I like the way they look just before the veil breaks. They look magical lol. I work overnights too so I won't be home til morning. Got them on the dehydrator now. Gonna be 13 hours on there before I get home. They should be nice and dry by then lol.
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Gotta love that shift work. Used to work 12 on 12 off myself, those swing shifts are a bitch.
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Yeah I don't mind the shift. Definitely took awhile to get used to though.
So I just picked alot more. I came home from work and 2 of them opened and dropped spores. This shouldn't make a difference for the next flushes correct? I'm at roughly 430g wet so far and still have more to pick from first flush.
When I'm done picking this flush would I dunk these boxes the same way you would a brf cake? Or would I just slowly run water into the shoebox and and keep it submerged for 24 hours then just slowly run the water out?
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With mine I filled the box so that the substrate was floating and I harvested the shrooms. Then I put to-go ramekins on top of the substrate and clicked the lid in place so that the substrate was held under water. I wish I had a picture but I don't, hopefully you understand. I left them under for 3 hours according to shapers tek. They are pinning up the second flush now with plenty of moisture in the sub still.
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Copy that. I understand that perfectly. That's a great idea to do before picking. When I picked s few if my first ones I bruied a couple nearby ones lightly. I'll probably pick the last bunch in the am.
I'm gonna dunk at that point. I'm at 500g wet now so far. Probably got about another 60ish to pick
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Hurrakrayne


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I got a round of picks in the dehydro now. They have been in there some 1pm. I won't be home until tomorrow morning so they will be in there for 18 hours. I hope I don't ruin them. I'm sure they will be fine. My girl will be home at midnight but she won't touch them or I would have her take them out.
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Hurrakrayne


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I also dunked my coir substrate but it's been in water for about 14 hours. I just realized I should have only done it for a few. Is the substrate gonna be usable? Or did I just ruin 5 bulk subs?
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It people be fine, people mention dunking for 24 all the time.
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Hurrakrayne


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Alright cool. I was reading through different posts and some people said 4 hours for coir and some people said they dunk for 24 so I was just double checking.
This is pretty much the rest of my first flush. There's like 10 other ones to pick but in waiting until they mature a bit more seeing as they're pretty small.
This little guy had a little defect. Looks like another mushroom was trying to grow on top of the cap.
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Yeah it's just a little mycelium ball, nothing to fret over. Good job bro.
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Hurrakrayne


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Thanks man. Around 800g wet first flush.
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So what can cause mushrooms to have 0 potency? I just ate 5.2g and it felt like a potent microdose. I have never felt this let down in my life. Lol
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SoupyGeorge
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Lol. Out of my three boxes, my first flush from one was weak AF. But the second flush was awesome. I believe and have ready that it's part of multi-spore genetics. You just have to be lucky enough to clone a good one.
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Hurrakrayne


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Ok so that's basically what I figured. That it's genetics and the Ms syringe wasn't the greatest.
I felt the slow come up then it was like bam nothing happened. I had no feeling of any type of psychadelic. I felt like I didn't take anything. I had no pupil dilation at all.
Also I bought the syringe about 2 years ago and it sat in a box in a drawer. I'm not sure if that may have something to do with it or not.
My first grow was with brf cakes and they were the most potent shrooms I had to date. That led me to thinking that maybe it was how I grew them this time using oats and coir.
Now I'm sitting on 3oz of garbage mushies that idk what to do with. Might try making tea with them in a few weeks and see what happens.
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If it is in the genetics then you may not be sitting on garbage, your first dose was just weak amd your next may kick ass.
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I'm hoping so. I just feel like they were less than weak. Lol.
Not gonna stress it though. I'll try again in a few weeks. I just hope it wasn't all for nothing.
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Just picked the first fruit of the second flush. Only 3 boxes are showing any sign of life.
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