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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733034 - 06/09/20 11:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: So, you actually have friends and family in the police, unlike me.
And those people say "fuck the police" right along side you?
Can you imagine what that implies or is implicating?
It means they hate their profession .
Around here, the police are there for public safety. Have you even considered what would happen if you called the police and no one showed up, EVER?.
It’s like you don’t understand how the world actually works. The police not showing up is something that happens all the time. Maybe a cop saying “fuck the police” says that because they are aware how fucked up the system is. Maybe they do hate it. Most people hate their profession from time to time.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733037 - 06/09/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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And then the public are going to cry " why are we being robbed, raped, murdered and extorted. WHERE ARE THE POLICE? I called 911 and no one responded.
I say this again
Why would they not respond? thats their job, instead of writing tickets they are responding to that shit.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733039 - 06/09/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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My cousin is about as "good cop" as they come has been involved in turning things around in his department and will say "fuck the police" right alongside me, and mean it
because when he takes off the uniform he just goes back to being visibly First Nations, "despite only" being half and the other precincts in the city will discriminate against him
tho he also accepts that it is my opinion that his corruption into a bad cop is a ticking time bomb even tho he disagrees and it is my hope he keeps up proving me wrong
Also, you should quit talking about someone else especially when police are involved. Does he know you're posting about him?
yeah had to ask him in the first place back when the George Floyd video was released due to having a debate in the political disscussion forum about whether or not the submission hold was to procedure
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
#26733047 - 06/09/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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As long as he knows you're talking about him.
Not to link threads but it's like my other thread where we were discussing legalizing all drugs and ending the war on drugs.
It's a really bad idea but Psi thinks it's a good idea to regulate and legalize narcotics like opiates.
And I said think about the collateral damage.
Collateral Damage is a big thing to consider these days.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733052 - 06/09/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Id rather have no cops than cops that dont have any accountability.
Wow, you mean like the cops being charged with murder?
Cops are being held accountable( finally)
Accountability is here and now.
Holy shit it’s almost offensive how fucking clueless you are. We have people in here who actually understand this issue and think about it, having to deal with someone who clearly is living inside of a bubble of denial and spewing out FOP talking points.
What structural changes have occurred to bring about this golden age of accountability? I haven’t seen much at all.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery] 4
#26733055 - 06/09/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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fiery is prolly a cop.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery] 3
#26733063 - 06/10/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: As long as he knows you're talking about him.
Not to link threads but it's like my other thread where we were discussing legalizing all drugs and ending the war on drugs.
It's a really bad idea but Psi thinks it's a good idea to regulate and legalize narcotics like opiates.
And I said think about the collateral damage.
Collateral Damage is a big thing to consider these days.
I think it’s reay none of your business to dictate to other people who they can discuss or not. Did you ask the cops you know personally if you could discuss them? You’re one of the most judgemental humans I’ve ever dealt with.
What’s the collateral damage of having 1,000,000 people arrested every year for drug possession? What about all the potential these people had ruined by having to deal with the justice system. Drugs would be a lot less ruinous to lives if there wasn’t a punishment for using them.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733067 - 06/10/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: As long as he knows you're talking about him.
Not to link threads but it's like my other thread where we were discussing legalizing all drugs and ending the war on drugs.
It's a really bad idea but Psi thinks it's a good idea to regulate and legalize narcotics like opiates.
Does psi know you’re talking about him?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: koods]
#26733068 - 06/10/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: You’re one of the most judgemental humans I’ve ever dealt with.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733079 - 06/10/20 12:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: As long as he knows you're talking about him.
Not to link threads but it's like my other thread where we were discussing legalizing all drugs and ending the war on drugs.
It's a really bad idea but Psi thinks it's a good idea to regulate and legalize narcotics like opiates.
And I said think about the collateral damage.
Collateral Damage is a big thing to consider these days.
respect the concern that goes in to asking
do rather agree with Psi tho maybe it is not the best in the States but could totally see Canada following Portugal's example of having successfully decriminalized, now that we have legalized cannabis
not under Trudeau tho
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#26733081 - 06/10/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: The police are a necessary evil. Anyone who thinks real lasting & significant change can happen overnight in a system is beyond delusional. It will only occur incrementally & over years and years if not decades and decades of time. If you force it, it will likely just appear to be changed I the surface, driving the darker elements underground, only to reappear and pop its ugly head up at various times.
I don’t like having them around anymore than the next guy - but by sheer presence or by actual act they deter and stop a lot of horrible and awful shit from happening. Yeah, they do their own share of horrible shit too - that’s why it’s a necessary evil.
Or are you all innocent little saints who need no baby sitter with a gun?
Give it time people. If protests keep going strong enough for the politicians & business leaders to get behind the movement (bc they want to be seen in the best light / optics - or bc they care - whatever it is) and it carries on without slackening for a full year or two...then I could see something good coming out of it. But only if the protesters can remain civil in the face of evil...if they fight fire with Fire this will take forever or they will lose themselves outright and it will turn into a true shitshow beyond imagining.
Light a fire under politicians asses, anything else is worthless.
i think the problem i have with this, is the whole "necessary evil" bit. if you're accepting evil at all as necessary, there is something seriously wrong with your system and viewpoint. no system is perfect, and that's fine. flaws are perfectly acceptable. so are imperfections, inefficiencies, and general quirkiness. but evil?
what the hell are you doing accepting evil as part of your system at AT ALL?
here's an excellent few minute video of one protester summing it up on why playing by the rules is just not working:
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Psion] 1
#26733087 - 06/10/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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That previous post is not necessarily reflective of my own opinion, but it’s what I think many of the people who have significant power to do something about it often think.
To me, the experiencing of that which is unworthy = Evil. And I don’t accept it just because, it’s more Equanimity Than anything else. I’ve dealt with racism almost all my life and know it to be unworthy of being experienced, aka, evil.
I have my own methods and means of dealing with it and through my persistent and painstaking efforts and trial & error I’m proud to say that many of my friends today were once my bitter enemies - people who hated and reviled & persecuted & attacked me for a reason that I could find no real basis for other than an illusory empty belief connected to an empty idea about what they believed the color of my skin or a family member’s country of birth necessarily meant - I searched for an answer but found none besides the basic ignorance we all have. So I know first hand that racism doesn’t need to be accepted personally - but it doesn’t need to be handled inappropriately either. It’s entirely possible to change what so many people believe to be concrete about the world - ie, “ the way things are - it is what it is “ - when it comes to humans, the mind can become highly malleable & pliable if approached and related to skillfully. Ignorance is the true root of the problem, and it has a specific way of being addressed in men and woman that works to alleviate it. More ignorance is never the answer, and in a funny way that sometimes means accepting that someone is racist - ie- they are suffering from the same ignorance we all share, but theirs is at least a particular expression of it as racism .
You may or may not be able to grasp why that is, you may think accepting someone as racist is wrong, idk. But I know that a relationship is necessary for any real fundamental change to be had with someone who is ignorant ~ racist. And it requires accepting someone for who they are no matter if you agree or disagree with it. Only then can something real - something good begin to to take root and eventually bloom. That’s the hard way, like raising a child from scratch- and the truth is most people could care less about helping their fellow man like that. Many want to be part of a movement and walk in the streets and feel their ego swell in size - have a revolution! But I’m telling you, change comes from within. Fro within personal relationships & just plain old within. Anyone who just started to care is bound to learn all the same things I learned and am now expressing if they keep at it long enough. And If you think I’ve never fought back or shed blood defending myself or chasing someone off or being run off - in regards to racism - you are kidding yourself. I’m just saying that those types of ways of dealing with it are unskillful and rooted in poison. The problem is like a Hydra....taking out several thousand Cops who are sketchy Racists won’t change things fundamentally. It may help - initially - but they don’t disappear - those people just get moved into prison and out of sight of your eyes and mind, becoming some other suckers problem. If it’s not pulled up by the roots and cut off from the base - you are wasting your time. Wether you do that 1 by 1 or not, is up to you all. I’ve only ever helped another human release themselves from the fictive world a racism one at a time, so that’s all I know. Maybe there is a way in mass to do it? Hopefully you can. I really hope so. But always remember the golden rule is unconditional offline - it’s the real goal of all these protests and the craziness- why? Because it’s right and good and truly humanity’s most ancient dream.
The reward for going about it the way I have has been exalted. I’ve seen others choose to “fight” racism by taking the path of hatred and more ignorance- yet they cloaked it in some other skin- and I saw no real reward come from it. To release one from the fictive world of racism, is the goal. And those that need it most are often the ones who often don’t respond to such drastic heavy handed measures. But I’ve seen the more subtle and higher way work time and time again first hand - dispelling countless generations of inculcated racism. I’ve done it.
Limitless Compassion & Patience & Understanding go much deeper and further than anything else. My Experience has shown it true. That is why I do not agree with much of people’s attitudes towards other humans when expressed without the aforementioned higher virtues. There is a better way - a wiser way, one that still accomplishes the goals that we wish to see, but without sacrificing one’s humanity to do it..
The above post is the most popular opinion I’ve ever expressed... But it really works and is true to form in both ends & means - and it contributes to the awakening of the pure mind of all beings.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass] 1
#26733114 - 06/10/20 12:54 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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its the golden rule, simple as that. people have all sorts of belief systems, so we gotta boil it down to the "treat others with basic respect and don't, you know, choke them to death for alleged forged 20 dollar bills."
you know, simple shit, pretty basic stuff, philosophy 101 kindergarden stuff.
if your system fails a test as simple as this and accepts it as "necessary evil" to fend of "greater evils" its already failed. it IS the greater evil. full stop. it's already taken the broad and easy path to hell, cloaking it in comforting lies because the hard and narrow path requires effort. it requires people to put funding in mental health, to actually care about thy neighbors welfare, to stop wasting funding in do nothing projects just to ensure budgets dont get cut and putting it to projects that do actual good, to expanding medicare and food stamps so people aren't desperate and in ill health.
it requires a human touch. it requires being proactive and learning that evil is not a person, it's a disease that can infest - it can spread. and it can be stopped, and cured.
it requires Grace.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
#26733128 - 06/10/20 01:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would you, knowing what I've posted, and seen the way I am, invite me into your home( unarmed of course with no funny business) to have a cup of tea or coffee or whatever it is you guys drink up there?( moose piss?)
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26733129 - 06/10/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: That previous post is not necessarily reflective of my own opinion, but it’s what I think many of the people who have significant power to do something about it often think.
To me, the experiencing of that which is unworthy = Evil. And I don’t accept it just because. Equanimity is not acceptance. I’ve dealt with racism almost all my life and know it to be unworthy of being experienced, aka, evil.
I have my own methods and means of dealing with it and through my persistent and painstaking efforts and trial & error I’m proud to say that many of my friends today were once my bitter enemies - people who hated and reviled & persecuted & attacked me for a reason that I could find no real basis for other than an illusory empty belief connected to an empty idea about what they believed the color of my skin or a family member’s country of birth necessarily meant - I searched for an answer but found none besides the basic ignorance we all have. So I know first hand that racism doesn’t need to be accepted personally - but it doesn’t need to be handled inappropriately either. It’s entirely possible to change what so many people believe to be concrete about the world - ie, “ the way things are - it is what it is “ - when it comes to humans, the mind can become highly malleable & pliable if approached and related to skillfully. Ignorance is the true root of the problem, and it has a specific way of being addressed in men and woman that works to alleviate it. More ignorance is never the answer, and in a funny way that sometimes means accepting that someone is racist - ie- they are suffering from the same ignorance we all share, but theirs is at least a particular expression of it as racism .
You may or may not be able to grasp why that is, you may think accepting someone as racist is wrong, idk. But I know that a relationship is necessary for any real fundamental change to be had with someone who is ignorant ~ racist. And it requires accepting someone for who they are no matter if you agree or disagree with it. Only then can something real - something good being to to take root and eventually bloom. That’s the hard way, like raising a child - and the truth is most people could care less about helping their fellow man like that. They want to be part of a movement and walk in the streets and feel their ego swell in size - have a revolution! But I’m telling you, change comes from within. Fro within personal relationships & just plain old within.
The reward for going about it the way I have has been exalted. I’ve seen others choose to “fight” racism by taking the path of hatred and more ignorance- yet they cloaked it in some other skin- and I saw no real reward come from it. To release one from the fictive world of racism, is the goal. And those that need it most are often the ones who often don’t respond to such drastic heavy handed measures. But I’ve seen the more subtle and higher way work time and time again first hand - dispelling countless generations of inculcated racism. I’ve done it.
Limitless Compassion & Patience & Understanding go much deeper and further than anything else. My Experience has shown it true. That is why I do not agree with much of people’s attitudes towards other humans when expressed without the aforementioned higher virtues. There is a better way - a wiser way, one that still accomplishes the goals that we wish to see, but without sacrificing one’s humanity to do it..
The above post is the most popular opinion I’ve ever expressed... But it really works and is true to form in both ends & means - and it contributes to the awakening of the pure mind of all beings.
I can't even read a 3 paragraph letter right now but I hope to tomorrow.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733137 - 06/10/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Would you, knowing what I've posted, and seen the way I am, invite me into your home( unarmed of course with no funny business) to have a cup of tea or coffee or whatever it is you guys drink up there?( moose piss?)
gods no, i don't even have any chairs! i only have my airbed to sit on. its only a twinsized, it's not meant to hold more than 300 lb, and as i weigh 245, this would pose much problems for hosting guests!
i suppose i could always set up my inversion table if you don't mind hanging upside down?
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733138 - 06/10/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Would you, knowing what I've posted, and seen the way I am, invite me into your home( unarmed of course with no funny business) to have a cup of tea or coffee or whatever it is you guys drink up there?( moose piss?)
Do not see why not but the deck is a far better place to spend an afternoon or evening
also, you would have to pick your own drink typically just drink a whole lot of water my meds + my voice therapy both focus really heavily on it being important to stay hydrated + no alcohol and never personally liked heated drinks
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Psion] 1
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i can't even drink anything carbonated anymore thanks to the topamax taking it more for the weight loss effect than the anti-migraine effect, which it doesn't seem to help much against (though it does make the excedrin work properly against again, which im thankful for - i get them like 3-5 days a week, so having them killed in one attempt instead of 2-3 doses really makes my stomach happy, if nothing else.)
topamax makes carbonated drinks taste... ew. lol.
that said, i used to weigh 265 about 3-4 months ago, the combo of that and metformin is working!
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Tantrika]
#26733164 - 06/10/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well well, people who recognize a sheep without wolves clothing.
But there could always be people after me, whom when I went to sip cool non heated drinks with you, followed me, and killed both of us.
That's pretty paranoid, huh? But at least we'd have been sipping cool drinks, ehh!
( I don't think anyone is after me, BTW)
Cheers mate and sweet dreams. ( I might be back for one more post after my late night rounds.
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Re: Chaos in Minneapolis, MN last night regarding the death of George Floyd [Re: Fiery]
#26733170 - 06/10/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fiery said: Well well, people who recognize a sheep without wolves clothing.
But there could always be people after me, whom when I went to sip cool non heated drinks with you, followed me, and killed both of us.
That's pretty paranoid, huh? But at least we'd have been sipping cool drinks, ehh!
( I don't think anyone is after me, BTW)
Cheers mate and sweet dreams. ( I might be back for one more post after my late night rounds.
one of my strangest encounters in Montréal was that I went to sleep one day after work and apparently forgot to lock my front door and some pretty haggard looking old lady walked into my house so I got up all nude and shit and started directing her back out my door and, for whatever reason, the thing my mind had me say was "no no, you don't live here anymore"
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